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Post by Frank on Jan 16, 2022 14:33:16 GMT
I was reading the book Queen All The Songs by Benoit Clerc and there as an interesting bit I'd like to share with you.
In his write up about Machines he claims that "careful listeners can discover samples of older Queen songs, including Ogre Battle and Flash." He also notes that Mack hid the samples. I've listened to this song countless times and have never noticed this detail. Is there credibility to it? Can someone help me here? Or is this false information referencing a special remix version?
Thanks so much.
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Post by akirafish on Jan 16, 2022 14:50:28 GMT
It's Machine instrumental version. The Ogre Battle, Flash and even Goin’ Back bits are around 3:20.
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Post by Frank on Jan 16, 2022 15:03:14 GMT
Thanks!
I do not recommend this book. This isn't the first time the author has been wrong or misleading. He clearly didn't fact check everything. And not to sound like an elitist, but he doesn't come across as a genuine fan. It's been a fairly disappointing read.
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Post by georg on Jan 16, 2022 15:45:55 GMT
Thanks! I do not recommend this book. This isn't the first time the author has been wrong or misleading. He clearly didn't fact check everything. And not to sound like an elitist, but he doesn't come across as a genuine fan. It's been a fairly disappointing read. I felt the same way when I read it, and I’m not just saying that because of my book. It was poorly written, poorly edited, and you’re right, he just didn’t sound like a fan. (I was critical at times in my book – now sometimes embarrassingly so – but I’m still a fan.) It also seems like the “[Band/Artist] All the Songs” books were written like an assembly line, and, weirdly, all the authors have French-sounding names. Not a dig at the French, but just something I noticed! I will say the books are very nicely designed which, as a former book designer, makes a world of difference to me. |
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Post by Frank on Jan 16, 2022 19:44:09 GMT
Thanks! I do not recommend this book. This isn't the first time the author has been wrong or misleading. He clearly didn't fact check everything. And not to sound like an elitist, but he doesn't come across as a genuine fan. It's been a fairly disappointing read. I felt the same way when I read it, and I’m not just saying that because of my book. It was poorly written, poorly edited, and you’re right, he just didn’t sound like a fan. (I was critical at times in my book – now sometimes embarrassingly so – but I’m still a fan.) It also seems like the “[Band/Artist] All the Songs” books were written like an assembly line, and, weirdly, all the authors have French-sounding names. Not a dig at the French, but just something I noticed! I will say the books are very nicely designed which, as a former book designer, makes a world of difference to me. Oh yes, the books are very nicely designed. My brother-in-law bought me the Led Zeppelin book so I had an inkling that the book would be gorgeous. And while I enjoyed the Zeppelin book I wouldn't know any better if there were factual errors. I don't know them like I know Queen. So it was very disappointing to find that attention to detail was not their forte, and it's more or less a cash grab. Makes me not want to return to the Zeppelin book. I just don't trust this series. Your book on the other hand was meticulous and detailed to the brim. Yes, you put your personal criticisms in there, but it was still an enjoyable read. I often still go back to your book to fact check things and so forth. I might have said it to you before, but thank you. You helped a young Queen fan gain so much knowledge and further appreciation for the band. |
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Post by georg on Jan 16, 2022 20:51:19 GMT
I felt the same way when I read it, and I’m not just saying that because of my book. It was poorly written, poorly edited, and you’re right, he just didn’t sound like a fan. (I was critical at times in my book – now sometimes embarrassingly so – but I’m still a fan.) It also seems like the “[Band/Artist] All the Songs” books were written like an assembly line, and, weirdly, all the authors have French-sounding names. Not a dig at the French, but just something I noticed! I will say the books are very nicely designed which, as a former book designer, makes a world of difference to me. Oh yes, the books are very nicely designed. My brother-in-law bought me the Led Zeppelin book so I had an inkling that the book would be gorgeous. And while I enjoyed the Zeppelin book I wouldn't know any better if there were factual errors. I don't know them like I know Queen. So it was very disappointing to find that attention to detail was not their forte, and it's more or less a cash grab. Makes me not want to return to the Zeppelin book. I just don't trust this series. Your book on the other hand was meticulous and detailed to the brim. Yes, you put your personal criticisms in there, but it was still an enjoyable read. I often still go back to your book to fact check things and so forth. I might have said it to you before, but thank you. You helped a young Queen fan gain so much knowledge and further appreciation for the band. I appreciate that – please also note I'm not looking for plaudits, though I do appreciate your appreciation!  |
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Post by herebemonsters on Jan 17, 2022 10:11:24 GMT
Oh yes, the books are very nicely designed. My brother-in-law bought me the Led Zeppelin book so I had an inkling that the book would be gorgeous. And while I enjoyed the Zeppelin book I wouldn't know any better if there were factual errors. I don't know them like I know Queen. So it was very disappointing to find that attention to detail was not their forte, and it's more or less a cash grab. Makes me not want to return to the Zeppelin book. I just don't trust this series. Your book on the other hand was meticulous and detailed to the brim. Yes, you put your personal criticisms in there, but it was still an enjoyable read. I often still go back to your book to fact check things and so forth. I might have said it to you before, but thank you. You helped a young Queen fan gain so much knowledge and further appreciation for the band. I appreciate that – please also note I'm not looking for plaudits, though I do appreciate your appreciation!  I second that - the criticisms, whilst I sometimes don't agree, add a completely human dimension and are very welcome. Personal views and preferences really open songs up and allow you to listen to them with new ears. |
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Post by akirafish on Jan 17, 2022 12:01:34 GMT
Complete Works is far more reliable and useful. I'm not saying out of politeness or anything, it's just simple truth.
Though All the Songs is beautifully designed, there isn't any new picture. All the elaborate design makes it too heavy to turn to, not to mention all the errors.
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Post by nico on Jan 18, 2022 0:46:40 GMT
Thanks! I do not recommend this book. This isn't the first time the author has been wrong or misleading. He clearly didn't fact check everything. And not to sound like an elitist, but he doesn't come across as a genuine fan. It's been a fairly disappointing read. I felt the same way when I read it, and I’m not just saying that because of my book. It was poorly written, poorly edited, and you’re right, he just didn’t sound like a fan. (I was critical at times in my book – now sometimes embarrassingly so – but I’m still a fan.) It also seems like the “[Band/Artist] All the Songs” books were written like an assembly line, and, weirdly, all the authors have French-sounding names. Not a dig at the French, but just something I noticed! I will say the books are very nicely designed which, as a former book designer, makes a world of difference to me. I think that's because it IS a series of French music books ("La totale") translated in English. I own the Bob Dylan one and I enjoy it but I don't feel I could trust the Queen one... Georg, I remember a loooong time ago on QOL (I went under the nickname ZakRoyen) us having a discussion about my desire to translate you book in French. I was willing to do it for free... and I wish I had done it then |
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Post by georg on Jan 18, 2022 13:43:56 GMT
I felt the same way when I read it, and I’m not just saying that because of my book. It was poorly written, poorly edited, and you’re right, he just didn’t sound like a fan. (I was critical at times in my book – now sometimes embarrassingly so – but I’m still a fan.) It also seems like the “[Band/Artist] All the Songs” books were written like an assembly line, and, weirdly, all the authors have French-sounding names. Not a dig at the French, but just something I noticed! I will say the books are very nicely designed which, as a former book designer, makes a world of difference to me. I think that's because it IS a series of French music books ("La totale") translated in English. I own the Bob Dylan one and I enjoy it but I don't feel I could trust the Queen one... Georg, I remember a loooong time ago on QOL (I went under the nickname ZakRoyen) us having a discussion about my desire to translate you book in French. I was willing to do it for free... and I wish I had done it then Oh wow, that’s a blast from the past! I remember that conversation – and maybe a few others – quite well! It would have all been for naught, though, as I believe the publishing company was then bought up by another one, and I’d gotten lost in the shuffle, so… anyway, I didn’t know it was a series of French translated to English books – interesting! |
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Post by pg on Feb 4, 2022 0:16:54 GMT
Georg wrote a book?  |
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Post by Mercury Roadrunner on Mar 27, 2022 21:50:01 GMT
Georg wrote a book?  yes, pg, Georg wrote a wonderful book called 'Queen: Complete Works' Georg Purvis, and I also consider it to be one of the best anthology-type books about Queen |
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Post by Mercury Roadrunner on Mar 27, 2022 21:58:28 GMT
It's Machine instrumental version. The Ogre Battle, Flash and even Goin’ Back bits are around 3:20. thanks for the link, akirafish, also there seems to be even a bit of BR there too |
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Post by georg on Mar 27, 2022 22:25:23 GMT
Georg wrote a book? yes, pg, Georg wrote a wonderful book called 'Queen: Complete Works' Georg Purvis, and I also consider it to be one of the best anthology-type books about Queen He’s aware, he’s just pointing out the fact that I point it out all the time  |
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