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Post by pg on Jan 31, 2022 8:57:35 GMT
The last couple of years have seen a massive increase in the mainstream visibility of what were previously niche views - flat earth, grassy knoll, area 51, Paul is dead, moon landing etc.
What I find especially notable about the current crop though, is their degree of ambition - suddenly they're apparently the result of a global cabal, with thousands of organising agencies interconnecting to deliver....what?
And that's my question. Assuming I'm willing to suspend my disbelief that governments of all political persuasions around the world are both willing and able to coordinate that well, and keep it secret from all of journalism, what's the object of the exercise?
Say, for example, that Covid vaccines really do have tracking nanobots in them. What's the next step? Millions of people dead and billions of dollars spent so a global shadow government can analyse which stalls get used the most in public toilets?
Or, for the sake of argument, let's say that the entire pandemic was designed. Why? To support "big pharma"? Pfizer made at least 10 billion dollars profit in the three years before Covid. To support Jeff Bezos? Down to his last 100 billion after his divorce...
Has anybody heard, or even deduced, the reason why these conspiracies would make sense?
To be clear - this is not intended to give credence or oxygen to the conspiracies themselves, although obviously a little of the latter is needed to have a discussion. I'm just looking to understand the other point of view.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 31, 2022 11:28:17 GMT
A really interesting topic. And as pg says, let's keep it on the whys and wherefores, please folks. this is not about specific cases or the minutae of individual conspiracies - and NO POLITICS. A quick word of warning: any posts attacking the view of others, or citing facts that are unsubstantiated, will be deleted. This thread will be a little experiment in our own civility and respect - let's see if we can succeed.
almost every conspiracy concocted are aimed at those who need something to believe in. this is nothing new - as far back as mankind has been able to use language, conspiracies have been the order of play. some of history's most terrible human acts of cruelty were initially consipracies; the execution of the Templars, Witches, English Martyrs - created from nothing less than spite and cruelty. Before the birth of the internet and social media the kind of cruelty we inflicted upon each other took effort to mobilize. Word of Mouth spread fear and the lack of access to facts created a willingness to follow blindly (self preservation?). These days that same self preservation still presides in the minds of people. It doesn't really matter how utter shite the conspiracy being spread, the fear of being "cancelled" makes the sane step back from denouncing the bunkum. There's nothing like the fear of never working again, being socially ostracized (or worse) for make many say nothing. The main issue is that social media has been hijacked by the hate mob - a tiny minority, but a powerful, extremely organised group nonetheless, and we're now mired far too deeply into a quagmire of evil's triumph over the inertia of good men. |
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Post by Lplix on Jan 31, 2022 16:47:36 GMT
I, but it is my thought, I think, that there are more paths in conspiracy; one is to have a voice out of the chorus to be more visible, different (sometimes themselves in the figure of the generators of the conspiracy theory to make money by inventing theories that can be convincing by the weakest).
usually those who adhere to these theories are disappointed with the progress of life (especially their own). this is what I have objectively observed among those who believe in the "conspiracies of the powerful".
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Post by emrabt on Jan 31, 2022 20:51:07 GMT
A lot of conspiracy theories seem to try and find meaning and reason to tragedy, if you believe this or that then things went as planned, it serves a purpose rather than believing a government are totally inept.
Let's not forget that not all conspiracy theories are wrong, The Hillsborough disaster for example, massive police cover up that took years for justice to happen.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jan 31, 2022 21:23:58 GMT
Has anybody heard, or even deduced, the reason why these conspiracies would make sense? A whole score of reasons, including (but not limited to):
1) the human tendency to cheer for the underdog on the sidelines
2) the human need for community (especially an in-group that appears to possess something that most people don't)
3) the desire to be seen as special and one of the first who were "in the know", in the off chance that they end up being right
4) the fact that people are scared in times of uncertainty and gravitate to fringe views even more so than usual, because such explanations for what's happening come with more flare and can be more attractive to people in the same way that they enjoy watching explosions in movies
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 31, 2022 21:59:00 GMT
Let's not forget that not all conspiracy theories are wrong, The Hillsborough disaster for example, massive police cover up that took years for justice to happen. and I fully applaud this comment. it's so refreshing for a comment about "conspiracy" to actually cite fact-based proof, rather than drawing conclusions from malice, rumour or just plain hate. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 31, 2022 22:50:11 GMT
Does anybody remember the conspiracy theory about Freddie being infected with HIV on purpose ? I've removed your post - please refer to my earlier reply - THIS IS NOT about individual conspiracies. Please read pg original post |
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Post by pg on Feb 1, 2022 8:37:35 GMT
Has anybody heard, or even deduced, the reason why these conspiracies would make sense? A whole score of reasons, including (but not limited to):
1) the human tendency to cheer for the underdog on the sidelines
2) the human need for community (especially an in-group that appears to possess something that most people don't)
3) the desire to be seen as special and one of the first who were "in the know", in the off chance that they end up being right
4) the fact that people are scared in times of uncertainty and gravitate to fringe views even more so than usual, because such explanations for what's happening come with more flare and can be more attractive to people in the same way that they enjoy watching explosions in movies
That isn't really what I meant. Some of the current examples are presented as a unified multi-media conspiracy, but what I'm looking for is the perceived rationale behind it. |
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Post by emrabt on Feb 1, 2022 11:47:05 GMT
That isn't really what I meant. Some of the current examples are presented as a unified multi-media conspiracy, but what I'm looking for is the perceived rationale behind it. Sometimes there isn't a rational reason, Somethings are more akin to believing a religion, it's faith based. Not helped of course by people (Myself included) outsourcing our thinking to youtube and the like, assuming the research is all done properly for us. Resulting in multiple sources basically spreading lies, it says the same thing here and here, so it's true. This is a problem I think we are all guilty of, as a society we have become very lazy, because of that we are all just a little bit more susceptible to social engineering; For example we get someone saying "Bob Alist: movie star" is racist on twitter, that's repeated until it's in the public consciousness, no one actually checking was actually said from a first hand source. We are older, so our lived experience and knowledge helps us to distinguish, in a reasonable way, fact from fiction better than someone younger, or with less of a basic education. As an extreme example, imagine being a young adult who has from the age of 11 seen endless "documentaries" about lizard people, seen repeated "facts" and theories, to you this will seem as reasonable as the fact the heart pumps blood. Harmless...... But now that young adult is teaching younger children the same, it's an endless cycle with more and more people being introduced. That's what we are currently seeing. |
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