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Post by georg on Apr 3, 2022 15:20:08 GMT
Alright, let’s do this. Here are all of the unreleased titles that are known to exist. Feel free to add any more I may have missed.
Queen sessions:
Hangman (rumored)
Polar Bear (circulating)
Rock‘n’Roll Medley (rumored)
Feelings (slower, bluesier version – might be from 1977)
Queen II sessions:
none known, though The Prophet’s Song was started around this time
Surrender to the City, Deep Ridge, and Fly By Night do not exist
Sheer Heart Attack sessions:
none known, though Sheer Heart Attack existed as a song, but whether it was recorded or not is unknown
A Night at the Opera sessions:
none known, though Woe has been rumored as an unreleased song from either this or the next album
A Day at the Races sessions:
none known, except as above
News of the World sessions:
Batteries Not Included (rumored)
Who Needs You (rumored reggae version, likely doesn’t exist as it would’ve been on the 40th anniversary box set)
Silver Salmon (circulating)
Jazz sessions:
Don’t Say No (confirmed on early handwritten running orders for the album, though it is almost definitely a working title for In Only Seven Days)
Coming Soon (rumored to have been started during these sessions)
The Game sessions:
several rumored, no titles known
Play the Game (with Andy Gibb and Leif Garrett)
Sandbox (circulating)
Home, (It) Seems Like Love, Only for Today, Earth, Cut Me Up (reported to exist on QZ many years back by some fellow named Roger’s Untidy Bottom, these songs do not exist – I asked Greg Brooks in 2019 and he confirmed this.)
Flash Gordon sessions:
none known
Hot Space sessions:
Feel Like (circulating)
Cool Cat (with Bowie vocals, circulating)
I Don’t Wanna Be a Rolling Stone (recorded, along with a handful of covers, at the Queen/Bowie sessions)
There Must Be More to Life Than This (basic track used for the 2014 remix)
My Boy (I doubt this was recorded by the band)
All This Is Love (lyrics exist, unknown if recorded)
Sex Show (confirmed outtake by Brian and Roger)
Victory (confirmed but not circulating)
Catfight for the Rest (FAKE)
The Works sessions:
Back to Storm and Little Boogie (circulating)
Man Made Paradise (a few seconds are circulating)
Whipping Boy (not circulating)
There Must Be More to Life Than This (not circulating, dropped at the last minute for Is This the World)
Let Me In Your Heart Again and Love Kills (released in 2014)
A Kind of Magic sessions:
Friend in Pain (rumored)
Butterfly (started as a demo, unlikely to exist beyond that)
Love Makin’ Love
Let’s Make Love (planned for release on Queen Forever but allegedly the lyrics were pretty explicit)
Battle Scene (circulating)
You Are the Only One (circulating, might also be from Mr Bad Guy sessions)
The Miracle sessions:
I Guess We’re Falling Out (circulating)
A Fiddly Jam (circulating)
A New Life Is Born (circulating)
Dog With a Bone (circulating)
Face It Alone (circulating)
Brother of Mine (rumored, quite likely fake)
Innuendo sessions:
Affairs (circulating)
Grand Dame (circulating)
Self Made Man (circulating)
My Secret Fantasy (circulating)
Robbery (circulating)
Assassin, Freedom Train, Why Don’t We Try Again, and New Dark Ages (rumored)
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Post by JackG on Apr 3, 2022 15:45:10 GMT
Queen I:
Stone Cold Crazy has been played since 1970, maybe an early version with slower tempo may have been recorded.
Queen II:
Official Queen Archivist Greg Brooks on the Brighton Rock sessions: 'Brighton Rock' was actually conceived for Queen II, but was not finished then and so was revisited at Wessex and Rockfield studios for Queen's third LP. It was known as "Brighton Fuck" during this stage.
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Apr 3, 2022 17:15:34 GMT
Queen I: Stone Cold Crazy has been played since 1970, maybe an early version with slower tempo may have been recorded. Brian said in a 1998 interview that it was the same tempo as the final version: "Regarding 'Stone Cold Crazy' - yes, it is the same version, although there was a very early attempt by Freddie with his previous group done with a different riff at a slower tempo. I think the truth is we weren't sure it was good enough for the first album and it didn't fit the format of the second album - Queen II. By the time Sheer Heart Attack was being made, we'd had a lot of practice at it!" - Queenlive.ca |
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Apr 3, 2022 17:25:24 GMT
Queen II sessions: none known, though The Prophet’s Song was started around this time I could've sworn that the song started to be worked on when Brian was in the hospital, and he had a dream about a flood, which inspired him to write the song. So, it would be during the SHA sessions that it was started in |
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Post by Golden Salmon on Apr 3, 2022 18:22:27 GMT
Hot Space sessions: Victory (confirmed but not circulating) Perhaps closer to "The Works", but it definitely exists. AFAIK, it's very basic (rhythm is apparently provided by someone hitting a door or similar) and it's nowhere near finished. That's a working title for "I Go Crazy". + "Let Me Live" with Rod Stewart was probably roughly complete. + "I Dream Of Christmas" - they most certainly recorded both that and "TGIC", then chose the latter. I used to know someone who claimed had this on tape. I asked John S. Stuart about it and he seemed pretty sure it was a sort of "Mother Love" early version. That said, take this with a truckload of salt. BTW, Queen themselves confirmed they got around 30 songs for "The Miracle", but there are no specifics on completion status. Probably no surprises at this point. |
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Post by georg on Apr 3, 2022 19:30:12 GMT
Hot Space sessions: Victory (confirmed but not circulating) Perhaps closer to "The Works", but it definitely exists. AFAIK, it's very basic (rhythm is apparently provided by someone hitting a door or similar) and it's nowhere near finished. That's a working title for "I Go Crazy". + "Let Me Live" with Rod Stewart was probably roughly complete. + "I Dream Of Christmas" - they most certainly recorded both that and "TGIC", then chose the latter. I used to know someone who claimed had this on tape. I asked John S. Stuart about it and he seemed pretty sure it was a sort of "Mother Love" early version. That said, take this with a truckload of salt. BTW, Queen themselves confirmed they got around 30 songs for "The Miracle", but there are no specifics on completion status. Probably no surprises at this point. Oh! So Victory started with Michael Jackson (IIRC Peter Freestone slammed the door), and then Freddie brought it to The Works? And Whipping Boy is confirmed as I Go Crazy? Very cool, never knew that was definite! And also I seem to remember Pim and Niek knew about Brother of Mine? |
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Post by deathtoming on Apr 3, 2022 20:50:09 GMT
News of the World sessions: Who Needs You (rumored reggae version, likely doesn’t exist as it would’ve been on the 40th anniversary box set) John Deacon himself said in at least one interview that they did a reggae-style version of Who Needs You -- unless you meant a recording doesn't currently exist, even if it did at one point? |
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Post by macduff77 on Apr 3, 2022 21:30:04 GMT
Do we know if the version of “Man on Fire” worked on in The Works sessions was different than what we got on Strange Frontier. I assume yes?
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Post by georg on Apr 3, 2022 22:15:49 GMT
News of the World sessions: Who Needs You (rumored reggae version, likely doesn’t exist as it would’ve been on the 40th anniversary box set) John Deacon himself said in at least one interview that they did a reggae-style version of Who Needs You -- unless you meant a recording doesn't currently exist, even if it did at one point? It was more of a “if it existed they would’ve released it by now” type of logic, but if it exists then that’s good to know! |
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Post by pg on Apr 3, 2022 22:27:15 GMT
Anything in the above not actually heard is conjecture...
Suddenly we're believing the PR of the band ("30 songs"), suddenly Greg's a reliable source, suddenly Brian's memory for dates can be trusted?
Looks like a whole lotta maybe to me. But do carry on, it's still interesting
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Post by georg on Apr 3, 2022 22:27:56 GMT
Do we know if the version of “Man on Fire” worked on in The Works sessions was different than what we got on Strange Frontier. I assume yes? I feel like I heard that – not sure how Brian-esque the solo sounds or if it’s Roger – but I’m not sure. |
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Post by georg on Apr 3, 2022 22:31:16 GMT
Anything in the above not actually heard is conjecture... Suddenly we're believing the PR of the band ("30 songs"), suddenly Greg's a reliable source, suddenly Brian's memory for dates can be trusted? Looks like a whole lotta maybe to me. But do carry on, it's still interesting Innocent until proven guilty. |
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Post by chadhanging on Apr 4, 2022 3:06:15 GMT
Queen II sessions: none known, though The Prophet’s Song was started around this time I could've sworn that the song started to be worked on when Brian was in the hospital, and he had a dream about a flood, which inspired him to write the song. So, it would be during the SHA sessions that it was started in I thought the song from the Hospital was "Brighton Rock". |
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Post by Plengel on Apr 4, 2022 10:01:38 GMT
I'm quite sure I've heard a Queen demo of 'Freedom Train' at one of the Dutch Queen Fanclub days. So, that one exists.
And, weren't titles like 'Friends in Pain' and 'Brother of Mine' not just a joke by Pim and Niek? Just like the infamous 'Man in the Shadows' album, John's solo album? Still great jokes, though.
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Post by georg on Apr 4, 2022 12:48:43 GMT
I'm quite sure I've heard a Queen demo of 'Freedom Train' at one of the Dutch Queen Fanclub days. So, that one exists. And, weren't titles like 'Friends in Pain' and 'Brother of Mine' not just a joke by Pim and Niek? Just like the infamous 'Man in the Shadows' album, John's solo album? Still great jokes, though. I feel like Brother of Mine and Two Worlds Apart were creations of Pim and Niek, and Friends In Pain was on John S Stuart’s list of 1986 recordings from WAY back when. I seem to recall someone asked him about it and he didn’t have much further info than the title. EDIT: a cursory search on Mr. Scully's QZ database turns up only a few mentions of Friends In Pain, and none of them were from JSS. I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it then. |
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Post by pimderks on Apr 4, 2022 13:46:10 GMT
Two Worlds Apart was a P&N creation. Brother Of Mine wasn't (at least, not that I know of). Greg Brooks hinted at a Dutch Convention that Freedom Train started out as a Queen song, but as far as I know no audio has ever been played of it.
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Post by ted on Apr 4, 2022 13:49:29 GMT
I could've sworn that the song started to be worked on when Brian was in the hospital, and he had a dream about a flood, which inspired him to write the song. So, it would be during the SHA sessions that it was started in I thought the song from the Hospital was "Brighton Rock". I've read that Brighton Rock was written prior to Queen II for inclusion on that album but due to lack of space it was saved until SHA. I've also read that Now I'm Here was the song Brian wrote at the hospital, which referenced the Group's aborted 1st N. American Tour.
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Post by IanR on Apr 4, 2022 15:54:58 GMT
I'm 99% sure Friends In Pain was on one of JSS's lists: "Tavazessal Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
VH1/JVC Promo Edit
Friends In Pain
John Deacon Demo Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Heaven For Everyone
Original Queen demo Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
New York (very early demo) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Piano improvisation (Freddie solo) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
You're The Only One (Freddie solo) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc
Demo 2 (probably Freddie solo) Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc"www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/346342.html |
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Post by georg on Apr 4, 2022 16:27:51 GMT
Ah ha, there it is! And wow, that post I started is old enough to vote.
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Apr 4, 2022 18:57:40 GMT
I thought the song from the Hospital was "Brighton Rock". I've read that Brighton Rock was written prior to Queen II for inclusion on that album but due to lack of space it was saved until SHA. I've also read that Now I'm Here was the song Brian wrote at the hospital, which referenced the Group's aborted 1st N. American Tour.
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Maybe he wrote both of them (along with maybe some others) in the hospital? It gets really boring in the hospital bed, so he could’ve written plenty to pass the time. All I know is that Brian said he wrote The Prophets Song while he was ill in an interview in promotion for ANATO, so it could’ve been he started it when he was sick, but didn’t get around to finishing it till the ANATO sessions, similarly to Sheer Heart Attack (the song) |
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Apr 4, 2022 21:14:56 GMT
Anything in the above not actually heard is conjecture... Suddenly we're believing the PR of the band ("30 songs"), suddenly Greg's a reliable source, suddenly Brian's memory for dates can be trusted? Looks like a whole lotta maybe to me. But do carry on, it's still interesting In one of the interviews about Mr Bad Guy, Freddie says that Roger suggested using demos / rejected songs and he [Freddie] gave a specific number of how many didn't find their way onto The Works album. As for There Must Be More To Life Than This : Wasn't it said that Freddie and Michael had started working on the song in 1981 ? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 4, 2022 23:56:25 GMT
Queen II sessions: none known, though The Prophet’s Song was started around this time On that note, We Are the Champions apparently originates from the Opera sessions. |
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 8, 2022 8:48:28 GMT
Probably this is original, m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPyWEkbeHEQI wonder if they hadn't choose the miracle album to be more pop, radio oriented. Instead of that if the songs were like I guess we are falling out, Face it alone (one of the most interesting demos especially the takes 3-4), affairs, grand dame and the above song (lost in soul), the miracle could have been one of their most interesting albums. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 8, 2022 8:56:53 GMT
Probably this is original, m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPyWEkbeHEQI wonder if they hadn't choose the miracle album to be more pop, radio oriented. Instead of that if the songs were like I guess we are falling out, Face it alone (one of the most interesting demos especially the takes 3-4), affairs, grand dame and the above song (lost in soul), the miracle could have been one of their most interesting albums. That doesn't sound like Roger drumming. |
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Post by djgreg on Apr 8, 2022 9:48:15 GMT
Probably this is original, m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPyWEkbeHEQI wonder if they hadn't choose the miracle album to be more pop, radio oriented. Instead of that if the songs were like I guess we are falling out, Face it alone (one of the most interesting demos especially the takes 3-4), affairs, grand dame and the above song (lost in soul), the miracle could have been one of their most interesting albums. Absolutely fake. |
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 8, 2022 12:30:49 GMT
Probably this is original, m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPyWEkbeHEQI wonder if they hadn't choose the miracle album to be more pop, radio oriented. Instead of that if the songs were like I guess we are falling out, Face it alone (one of the most interesting demos especially the takes 3-4), affairs, grand dame and the above song (lost in soul), the miracle could have been one of their most interesting albums. Absolutely fake. One of the best fake demos. |
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Post by pg on Apr 9, 2022 9:50:08 GMT
One of the best fake demos. Well, you'd have to say that! |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 10, 2022 7:38:13 GMT
One of the best fake demos. Well, you'd have to say that! ha !
Jesus, wow - going through the trouble to create a fake of a bad Queen song played at a fan convention is something no sane person would do.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Apr 10, 2022 15:50:29 GMT
Well, you'd have to say that! ha !
Jesus, wow - going through the trouble to create a fake of a bad Queen song played at a fan convention is something no sane person would do.
So...are we to take that as circumstantial evidence that Greg Brooks was involved? ;-P |
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