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Post by Lord Fickle on May 7, 2022 17:00:03 GMT
I knew this release would come one day... and then Brian and Roger complain about waisting material and how important it is to reduce the carbon footprint... All blah blah when the very same stuff gets re-released a zillon times! I mean it's nothing rare - it's the same stuff that was numerous times re-released in the last 10 years + GH3 which has a terrible tracklist. It's clearly one rule for them and one for us. There is something clearly going wrong with Queenproductions now... I don't know, QPR recycle so much, their carbon footprint must be virtually zero! 🙄 Their business model seems to be maximum profits for least effort. The problem is that it works, because no doubt this run of box sets will sell out in no time. The only way things will change is when people stop purchasing all this tat, and then they might consider actually putting out something 'new'. |
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Post by highlander on May 7, 2022 17:27:28 GMT
I knew this release would come one day... and then Brian and Roger complain about waisting material and how important it is to reduce the carbon footprint... All blah blah when the very same stuff gets re-released a zillon times! I mean it's nothing rare - it's the same stuff that was numerous times re-released in the last 10 years + GH3 which has a terrible tracklist. It's clearly one rule for them and one for us. There is something clearly going wrong with Queenproductions now... GH 1-3 & Platinum is part of their back catalogue, these compilations are great sellers along with some studio albums and live videos. Queen have a very specific contract, so they can't avoid some things. However they suggest some products. For example at BBC was Queen idea the interviews was record company's... Record companies are gaining money via tours, merchandise etc, so we have some ridiculous and overpriced products. 70s are long gone... Thank you for explaining this mess but I am tired of explanations why Queenproductions is doing this and that and who's exactly involved in what. If Brian and Roger would care, they could. Enough is enough now. I pity the first Queen fans and hope they will live long enough to see the gems being released just like the Rainbow concert as example. |
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Post by highlander on May 7, 2022 17:34:11 GMT
I knew this release would come one day... and then Brian and Roger complain about waisting material and how important it is to reduce the carbon footprint... All blah blah when the very same stuff gets re-released a zillon times! I mean it's nothing rare - it's the same stuff that was numerous times re-released in the last 10 years + GH3 which has a terrible tracklist. It's clearly one rule for them and one for us. There is something clearly going wrong with Queenproductions now... I don't know, QPR recycle so much, their carbon footprint must be virtually zero! 🙄 Their business model seems to be maximum profits for least effort. The problem is that it works, because no doubt this run of box sets will sell out in no time. The only way things will change is when people stop purchasing all this tat, and then they might consider actually putting out something 'new'. True words! I'm not even completely against the idea of the Platinum Collection being released on vinyl. If now was 2009 or 2010 it would have been more interesting as GH and GH2 were not re-released in thousands of different versions. I know no one has to buy anything but it's the pure frustration of having always to wait for the next release and hope that it won't be GHx-related as it has been for years now. And coloured vinyl has become so boring now that black vinyl is now as interesting as coloured vinyl ages ago to me. LOL |
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 7, 2022 18:03:30 GMT
I pity the first Queen fans and hope they will live long enough to see the gems being released just like the Rainbow concert as example. That's the worry! I'll be bloody annoyed if all the good stuff comes out after I'm six feet under! I'm a few years younger than Brian and Roger, and hopefully they would want things to come out while they're still on their perches, so I remain hopeful that we'll get something from the archives while I'm still on mine. |
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Post by pg on May 8, 2022 7:25:19 GMT
I pity the first Queen fans and hope they will live long enough to see the gems being released just like the Rainbow concert as example. That's the worry! I'll be bloody annoyed if all the good stuff comes out after I'm six feet under! I'm a few years younger than Brian and Roger, and hopefully they would want things to come out while they're still on their perches, so I remain hopeful that we'll get something from the archives while I'm still on mine. As each year passes, does the audience for this kind of release get bigger or smaller? Do more new fans listening to GH get taken on the journey to the albums than there are old fans dying? |
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 8, 2022 8:57:44 GMT
That's the worry! I'll be bloody annoyed if all the good stuff comes out after I'm six feet under! I'm a few years younger than Brian and Roger, and hopefully they would want things to come out while they're still on their perches, so I remain hopeful that we'll get something from the archives while I'm still on mine. As each year passes, does the audience for this kind of release get bigger or smaller? Do more new fans listening to GH get taken on the journey to the albums than there are old fans dying? Good question. My guess is it would depend on the band's activities over time. For example, the movie might have brought in younger fans, but overall, I suppose it must be about even? |
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Post by pg on May 8, 2022 11:17:26 GMT
But do those newer fans get stuck in to the album catalogue, and then still thirst for more, or are they satisfied to keep hearting DSMN on Twitter every September 5th ?
I'm not sure THAT'S even...
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 8, 2022 12:33:25 GMT
Is there an easy way to get stuck into an album catalogue these days? I don't know anyone under, say, 30(?) who actually has a physical record collection (CDs, LPs, etc). Most people now seem to listen to music via Spotify or whatever. Does that promote listening to a whole album of material by one artist?
When I was growing up, I used to get cross with people who wouldn't buy anything other than Greatest Hits albums (not just Queen), because they "don't know many of them" on the regular albums. They didn't seem to get that they didn't know any of the 'greatest hits' before they heard them, and that they might be missing out on stuff they really like by not hearing the albums, just because all of the tracks might not be immediately familiar.
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Post by highlander on May 8, 2022 19:37:24 GMT
That's the worry! I'll be bloody annoyed if all the good stuff comes out after I'm six feet under! I'm a few years younger than Brian and Roger, and hopefully they would want things to come out while they're still on their perches, so I remain hopeful that we'll get something from the archives while I'm still on mine. As each year passes, does the audience for this kind of release get bigger or smaller? Do more new fans listening to GH get taken on the journey to the albums than there are old fans dying? GH1 has been released so often in the last years and it has been available on CD, cheaper for longer time than the vinyl re-release. It's not rare at all. Not a good argument saying that pieces should stay unreleased just because the fan base is slowly dying or fading away. New releases of any kind can be attractive for new fans or even people who are not sure but are slightly interested in Queen's music. At this moment there are so many Queen fans worldwide. With the release of the BoRhap movie in 2018 it's probably the best time to release all that stuff now than in 10 years just by the sales and how much money can be made with material that has been created so long ago. |
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Post by imthewalrus79 on May 10, 2022 4:49:50 GMT
I knew this release would come one day... and then Brian and Roger complain about waisting material and how important it is to reduce the carbon footprint... All blah blah when the very same stuff gets re-released a zillon times! I mean it's nothing rare - it's the same stuff that was numerous times re-released in the last 10 years + GH3 which has a terrible tracklist. It's clearly one rule for them and one for us. There is something clearly going wrong with Queenproductions now... I don't know, QPR recycle so much, their carbon footprint must be virtually zero! 🙄 Their business model seems to be maximum profits for least effort. The problem is that it works, because no doubt this run of box sets will sell out in no time. The only way things will change is when people stop purchasing all this tat, and then they might consider actually putting out something 'new'. They've definitely found a great marketing strategy: package the hits on some color vinyl (or cassettes) and some unique packaging (using common promo photos), say it's limited and watch their profits soar. And I wouldn't have a problem with them doing that if they were also putting some resources into getting some product out that the long time fans might enjoy. If they're not ready to release studio rarities, there has to be some concerts that they could release. How about remixing the "Live Killers" material and adding in the tracks that were cut from the original album and make it a complete concert experience. Heck, the two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'm sure a complete Blu Ray collection of well-remastered videos would be a good seller for both the casual and hardcore Queen fan. |
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Post by antonio on May 10, 2022 6:17:09 GMT
I feel sorry...Very sorry for the actual Queen collectors...Those who need to collect every single item released...They are QPL victims
I was one of them...Fortunately long time ago I decided to sell all my items...When i started to notice that QPL was laughing at us. I don´t regret it...
Having said that...The Miracle is my favourite album so I do really want to buy the box if it´s worth it.
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 10, 2022 8:20:15 GMT
I don't know, QPR recycle so much, their carbon footprint must be virtually zero! 🙄 Their business model seems to be maximum profits for least effort. The problem is that it works, because no doubt this run of box sets will sell out in no time. The only way things will change is when people stop purchasing all this tat, and then they might consider actually putting out something 'new'. They've definitely found a great marketing strategy: package the hits on some color vinyl (or cassettes) and some unique packaging (using common promo photos), say it's limited and watch their profits soar. And I wouldn't have a problem with them doing that if they were also putting some resources into getting some product out that the long time fans might enjoy. If they're not ready to release studio rarities, there has to be some concerts that they could release. How about remixing the "Live Killers" material and adding in the tracks that were cut from the original album and make it a complete concert experience. Heck, the two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'm sure a complete Blu Ray collection of well-remastered videos would be a good seller for both the casual and hardcore Queen fan. As far as I can recall, Live Killers has never even had a remaster since the original CD release. It's a criminally overlooked album, and it wouldn't take much of an effort to give it a spit and polish, and to reinstate the missing tracks. |
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Post by antonio on May 10, 2022 19:06:55 GMT
Wasn´t LK remastered in 2001 for Japan Mini LPs?
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 10, 2022 20:14:28 GMT
Wasn´t LK remastered in 2001 for Japan Mini LPs? According to Wiki: "The 1994 issue released as part of the Digital Master Series by EMI Records did not improve upon the quality of the previous release. It was later remastered and restored in better quality by Peter Mew in 2001."So, you may be right, but was it ever reissued in the UK? |
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Post by Dimitris on May 10, 2022 20:43:38 GMT
Wasn´t LK remastered in 2001 for Japan Mini LPs? According to Wiki: "The 1994 issue released as part of the Digital Master Series by EMI Records did not improve upon the quality of the previous release. It was later remastered and restored in better quality by Peter Mew in 2001."So, you may be right, but was it ever reissued in the UK? It was re-released in UK by EMI in 2003. There was a comment by Roger Taylor in Qol news for promoting the release. Also there was a discount coupon for the musical with the cds. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 10, 2022 21:13:19 GMT
I would have bought it. I just don't remember buying it.  |
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Post by NathanH on May 11, 2022 18:22:45 GMT
Is there an easy way to get stuck into an album catalogue these days? I don't know anyone under, say, 30(?) who actually has a physical record collection (CDs, LPs, etc). Most people now seem to listen to music via Spotify or whatever. Does that promote listening to a whole album of material by one artist? I got into Fleetwood Mac whilst I was at college. I had their one compilation album but only really listened to any of their proper studio albums then. As I was still using a music player/iPod, I was listening to most of their albums on Spotify. Since college I literally don't have time to listen to any of my Queen albums on vinyl or CD - I've got practically every single and album on vinyl but some I've never ever listened to. Ever since I was using a computer, I would rip CDs to my computer and listen through Windows Media Player. (After a certain moment I wouldn't use the CDs again as there was no need if I could use the files on devices after.) I used to listen via that daily or at least several times a week but the last couple of years I've just been listening to Spotify. (The last CD I brought was Live Around The World, I got that for £1 on Amazon as I had a discount, I ripped it to my computer once and listened once in entirety on my computer and that's that.) The few months though I've been getting into The Who. I don't own a single Who record but yet I've ammased exactly 1500 plays equivalent to 5772 minutes. So I like to think I've paid them a few pennies at least now! I personally if I had the choice of listening to any format I'd choose streaming purely for the reason I can record my stats! It's really interesting, like honestly when I have a phase of listening to one of my favourite groups (Queen, Fleetwood Mac, The Who and The Beatles) it goes high. The Who on streaming services though is frustrating to say the least, they don't have complete collections on there. One example is I want to listen to the whole of Live At Leeds but the Tommy rendition is missing. They probably have the smallest following and I just don't think they appeal to younger people like the other three groups I mentioned. If you've made it to this bit, well done! |
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 11, 2022 18:53:05 GMT
Is there an easy way to get stuck into an album catalogue these days? I don't know anyone under, say, 30(?) who actually has a physical record collection (CDs, LPs, etc). Most people now seem to listen to music via Spotify or whatever. Does that promote listening to a whole album of material by one artist? I got into Fleetwood Mac whilst I was at college. I had their one compilation album but only really listened to any of their proper studio albums then. As I was still using a music player/iPod, I was listening to most of their albums on Spotify. Since college I literally don't have time to listen to any of my Queen albums on vinyl or CD - I've got practically every single and album on vinyl but some I've never ever listened to. Ever since I was using a computer, I would rip CDs to my computer and listen through Windows Media Player. (After a certain moment I wouldn't use the CDs again as there was no need if I could use the files on devices after.) I used to listen via that daily or at least several times a week but the last couple of years I've just been listening to Spotify. (The last CD I brought was Live Around The World, I got that for £1 on Amazon as I had a discount, I ripped it to my computer once and listened once in entirety on my computer and that's that.) The few months though I've been getting into The Who. I don't own a single Who record but yet I've ammased exactly 1500 plays equivalent to 5772 minutes. So I like to think I've paid them a few pennies at least now! I personally if I had the choice of listening to any format I'd choose streaming purely for the reason I can record my stats! It's really interesting, like honestly when I have a phase of listening to one of my favourite groups (Queen, Fleetwood Mac, The Who and The Beatles) it goes high. The Who on streaming services though is frustrating to say the least, they don't have complete collections on there. One example is I want to listen to the whole of Live At Leeds but the Tommy rendition is missing. They probably have the smallest following and I just don't think they appeal to younger people like the other three groups I mentioned. If you've made it to this bit, well done! I find that quite sad in a way, particularly the part about recording the stats. I can't say I've ever used Spotify, not because of any abject hatred of it, just that I've just never felt the need, and it feels to me like you're paying to rent music rather than supporting the artists by owning it. We seem to have lost part of the joy of buying music, and that was the whole package of the physical product, with the artwork and the lyrics to study. I think that was even more so with vinyl as you had the lavish gatefold sleeves, with the lyrics printed on the inner sleeve if you were lucky. I know vinyl is coming back but I'm talking about when I was buying it before CDs came along. Music as bits of data and stats seems rather cold to me, but I must admit, I do tend to play most things once and then rip them to my phone, for the convenience of being able to carry it with me in a way we never could in the old days. 😁 I do still like a physical product though, and still prefer to buy actual CDs than have downloads. My main problem is storage, but that is also the case for digital music, and I'm soon going to have to buy yet another 2Tb hard drive for my PC. |
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Post by NathanH on May 11, 2022 20:29:11 GMT
I got into Fleetwood Mac whilst I was at college. I had their one compilation album but only really listened to any of their proper studio albums then. As I was still using a music player/iPod, I was listening to most of their albums on Spotify. Since college I literally don't have time to listen to any of my Queen albums on vinyl or CD - I've got practically every single and album on vinyl but some I've never ever listened to. Ever since I was using a computer, I would rip CDs to my computer and listen through Windows Media Player. (After a certain moment I wouldn't use the CDs again as there was no need if I could use the files on devices after.) I used to listen via that daily or at least several times a week but the last couple of years I've just been listening to Spotify. (The last CD I brought was Live Around The World, I got that for £1 on Amazon as I had a discount, I ripped it to my computer once and listened once in entirety on my computer and that's that.) The few months though I've been getting into The Who. I don't own a single Who record but yet I've ammased exactly 1500 plays equivalent to 5772 minutes. So I like to think I've paid them a few pennies at least now! I personally if I had the choice of listening to any format I'd choose streaming purely for the reason I can record my stats! It's really interesting, like honestly when I have a phase of listening to one of my favourite groups (Queen, Fleetwood Mac, The Who and The Beatles) it goes high. The Who on streaming services though is frustrating to say the least, they don't have complete collections on there. One example is I want to listen to the whole of Live At Leeds but the Tommy rendition is missing. They probably have the smallest following and I just don't think they appeal to younger people like the other three groups I mentioned. If you've made it to this bit, well done! I find that quite sad in a way, particularly the part about recording the stats. I can't say I've ever used Spotify, not because of any abject hatred of it, just that I've just never felt the need, and it feels to me like you're paying to rent music rather than supporting the artists by owning it. We seem to have lost part of the joy of buying music, and that was the whole package of the physical product, with the artwork and the lyrics to study. I think that was even more so with vinyl as you had the lavish gatefold sleeves, with the lyrics printed on the inner sleeve if you were lucky. I know vinyl is coming back but I'm talking about when I was buying it before CDs came along. Music as bits of data and stats seems rather cold to me, but I must admit, I do tend to play most things once and then rip them to my phone, for the convenience of being able to carry it with me in a way we never could in the old days. 😁 I do still like a physical product though, and still prefer to buy actual CDs than have downloads. My main problem is storage, but that is also the case for digital music, and I'm soon going to have to buy yet another 2Tb hard drive for my PC. I'll be honest and say I do feel guilty but I do treat myself to a couple of vinyls every year but it's just for the sake of having them. I can't play them now as I haven't got the space at home to have everything out or the time. And anyway I'm saving up my pennies as much as possible to make sure I can live in the future! Technology has adapted and streaming platforms for everything appeals to me more - it's convenient and practical. In regards to music - there's no way artists like Queen, Elton John, The Beatles and Fleetwood Mac would be doing so well without being on streaming services - there's a whole audience that I think is maximised. I know there are mixed messages but I think it's a good thing. Anyway, would artists continue on streaming if they didn't like it - The Beatles coming on Spotify was something I never predicted. I do feel the novelty of vinyl is fading, everyone is doing them now and coloured and picture discs seem to be the norm. Yeah that's the other thing the file size of music, I deliberately ripped everything in .mp3 - for how I listen I barely notice the difference in lossy and losenees. There's literally no bands I can think of who aren't on Spotify. I've honestly discovered so many songs and artists that I didn't know of before - it's great! |
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 11, 2022 20:45:02 GMT
I find that quite sad in a way, particularly the part about recording the stats. I can't say I've ever used Spotify, not because of any abject hatred of it, just that I've just never felt the need, and it feels to me like you're paying to rent music rather than supporting the artists by owning it. We seem to have lost part of the joy of buying music, and that was the whole package of the physical product, with the artwork and the lyrics to study. I think that was even more so with vinyl as you had the lavish gatefold sleeves, with the lyrics printed on the inner sleeve if you were lucky. I know vinyl is coming back but I'm talking about when I was buying it before CDs came along. Music as bits of data and stats seems rather cold to me, but I must admit, I do tend to play most things once and then rip them to my phone, for the convenience of being able to carry it with me in a way we never could in the old days. 😁 I do still like a physical product though, and still prefer to buy actual CDs than have downloads. My main problem is storage, but that is also the case for digital music, and I'm soon going to have to buy yet another 2Tb hard drive for my PC. I'll be honest and say I do feel guilty but I do treat myself to a couple of vinyls every year but it's just for the sake of having them. I can't play them now as I haven't got the space at home to have everything out or the time. And anyway I'm saving up my pennies as much as possible to make sure I can live in the future! Technology has adapted and streaming platforms for everything appeals to me more - it's convenient and practical. In regards to music - there's no way artists like Queen, Elton John, The Beatles and Fleetwood Mac would be doing so well without being on streaming services - there's a whole audience that I think is maximised. I know there are mixed messages but I think it's a good thing. Anyway, would artists continue on streaming if they didn't like it - The Beatles coming on Spotify was something I never predicted. I do feel the novelty of vinyl is fading, everyone is doing them now and coloured and picture discs seem to be the norm. Yeah that's the other thing the file size of music, I deliberately ripped everything in .mp3 - for how I listen I barely notice the difference in lossy and losenees. There's literally no bands I can think of who aren't on Spotify. I've honestly discovered so many songs and artists that I didn't know of before - it's great! I have to confess, I'm no expert on how the whole streaming revenue thing works for musicians. You say "there's no way artists like Queen, Elton John, The Beatles and Fleetwood Mac would be doing so well without being on streaming services," and that may be the case now, but would they have survived at all without the revenues of previous record sales? I wonder if artists such as Ed Sheeran, Dua Lipa, etc, will still be around in 50 years time? Also, I'm not sure how the charts work now, but some of the artists mentioned above, plus those such as Pink Floyd, Meatloaf, AC/DC, had albums in the charts for literally years. Nowadays, they seem to fly in at Number One, then fly straight out again. You also have people like Gene Simmons from Kiss saying it's not worth making new albums, due to the fact that they don't make any money out of them, partly because of streaming but also because material is so easy to illegally download for free. It would be a real shame if artists stopped making new music because it's more profitable to simply tour on the back of old material. |
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Post by pg on May 11, 2022 23:05:30 GMT
Legacy bands that are "doing well without streaming" included AC/DC and The Beatles until fairly recently. It's more of a brand awareness investment than any income these days - they make more money form touring, from merch, from licensin, than they do form streaming.
PLUS - those artists doing OK from streaming (and I mean ONLY OK, see above), are doing so based on hitting volumes that up and coming artists can't even hope for. How many SPotify streams is it to earn the artist a pound? Isn't it something like a thousand?
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