velizar
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Post by velizar on Oct 29, 2022 15:58:07 GMT
Pretty disappointed by the oversharpened picture. The upscale is quite good though.
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Jackson Clift
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Post by Jackson Clift on Oct 29, 2022 16:24:09 GMT
Finally, another remaster! Queen have surprisingly been outdoing themselves lately.
With The Miracle Boxset and AKOM Remaster. I hope they do this to every one of their videos.
Even though some shots look at bit too remastered if you know what I mean. It looks to clear.
But Beggers can't be choosers!
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VitasDB
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Post by VitasDB on Oct 29, 2022 16:47:51 GMT
I'm not really fond of this remaster. It looks oversharpened and lacks detail. Too bad they didn't have access to the original film prints (was this video even shot on film?)
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ouzy
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Post by ouzy on Oct 29, 2022 16:55:26 GMT
Sound isn't syncing with the video for me. Massively out as the video is running.. Never know if that's a YouTube issue or whether something is wrong with it..
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velizar
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Post by velizar on Oct 29, 2022 17:54:56 GMT
(was this video even shot on film?) Yes. |
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Bul
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Post by Bul on Oct 29, 2022 20:39:34 GMT
Now all SD releases will look like this? It looks like the work of Chief Mouse, while he did not have access to high-quality sources!
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Post by DotNickCore on Oct 29, 2022 23:01:02 GMT
I wish Queen Official would actually do this for all their videos instead of the occasional re-release of an album
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dane
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Post by dane on Oct 30, 2022 10:25:23 GMT
Now all SD releases will look like this? It looks like the work of Chief Mouse, while he did not have access to high-quality sources! Although I welcome any 'better' version of the Queen music videos, including this one, I think Chief Mouse's work is better. Just look at Hammer To Fall he did. (720p, 25fps). (imagine video here) And then StepQueen took this upscale and used AI to upscale to 4K, 50fps (imagine video here) The last upscale does introduce a lot of smoothing and unnatural visuals so not perfect. But I cant help but think that an in-between step would look amazing! |
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Bul
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Post by Bul on Oct 30, 2022 13:32:27 GMT
It looks like the Greatest Flix is with us forever
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boffy
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Post by boffy on Oct 30, 2022 15:43:59 GMT
AKOM at least had the excuse of being heavy on the effects compositing.
This must be one of the easiest ones to rebuild from the original elements. I think I counted two composites and a single crossfade.
If they haven't re-scanned the film in HD for this one, I'd be surprised if they have for anything else on the Blu-ray.
Well, at least now I know I don’t need to bother with this one until it’s much cheaper second-hand 😐
EDIT: While the camera is pulling back in the final shot, what's up with that weird jump-cut in the middle of the shot? It looks like that’s new.
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Bul
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Post by Bul on Oct 30, 2022 16:33:45 GMT
The worst thing is when they start to change something, moving away from the original master) This happens because HD material brings something new to the drama of the clip and does not want to work as before) Therefore, it's enough for me to just have the SD versions of all the clips!
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Post by mikusguitarius on Oct 30, 2022 23:37:22 GMT
So can anyone confirm....
David Mallet was happy for IWIA to be newly scanned and restored but DoRo, who made all the other videos on The Miracle, wouldn't release the original film materials so we have to make do with Upscaled SD videos??
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Post by mikusguitarius on Oct 30, 2022 23:40:38 GMT
Take, for example, skin complexion at 40 seconds in.... waxy with no skin blemishes at all. Pretty horrible upscaling!!! Disappointing.
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pg
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Post by pg on Oct 31, 2022 19:55:59 GMT
So can anyone confirm.... David Mallet was happy for IWIA to be newly scanned and restored but DoRo, who made all the other videos on The Miracle, wouldn't release the original film materials so we have to make do with Upscaled SD videos?? ...and you have to have identical copies on DVD and a redundant BluRay |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Oct 31, 2022 20:08:15 GMT
So can anyone confirm.... David Mallet was happy for IWIA to be newly scanned and restored but DoRo, who made all the other videos on The Miracle, wouldn't release the original film materials so we have to make do with Upscaled SD videos?? ...and you have to have identical copies on DVD and a redundant BluRay The blu-ray isn’t going to be redundant to me. And many other people. IWIA will be full HD from a new scan. This justifies it for me. (I should add, I own and use a blu-ray player!) |
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Post by pg on Oct 31, 2022 21:10:52 GMT
...and you have to have identical copies on DVD and a redundant BluRay The blu-ray isn’t going to be redundant to me. And many other people. IWIA will be full HD from a new scan. This justifies it for me. (I should add, I own and use a blu-ray player!) Couldn't you get all that from playing the DVD in your BluRay player? |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Oct 31, 2022 22:07:29 GMT
The blu-ray isn’t going to be redundant to me. And many other people. IWIA will be full HD from a new scan. This justifies it for me. (I should add, I own and use a blu-ray player!) Couldn't you get all that from playing the DVD in your BluRay player? I hate being patronising, but no.... IWIA has been scanned & mastered NATIVELY in 4K from the original film (celluloid) elements. All the remaining promos have been upscaled from a SD video master - 'inventing' the extra info to 'make it' HD. Now... all but IWIA were actually shot on film BUT mastered to SD video (several decades before 1080p HD was invented!!) Believe me: if you were to compare IWIA from an SD master (which was upscaled to HD) to this newly scanned ACTUAL HD master then the difference will be obvious. Hope this helps / answers your question. |
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sam99
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Post by sam99 on Oct 31, 2022 22:15:56 GMT
Is this on the Queen Official YouTube channel? Didn’t see it on QOL website, where did the information above come from? You guys are light years ahead of me with your attention to detail.
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pg
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Post by pg on Nov 1, 2022 7:19:25 GMT
Hope this helps / answers your question. It does indeed provide me with a welcome correction. ..but it also validates (in my view) my underlying point, which is that two video discs is massive overkill, increasing the price and the environmental impact for barely any reason. Because while IWIA will, I'm sure, look amazing in 4k, that plus upscaling of the rest is not sufficient reason. To me. |
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Post by pg on Nov 1, 2022 7:22:30 GMT
Ps the term "full HD" tends not to mean 4k over here, 4k is usually badged either explicitly so, or as "UHD".
So your opportunity to patronise was based on a terminology difference that meant your post was unclear.
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Post by mikusguitarius on Nov 1, 2022 10:17:31 GMT
Hope this helps / answers your question. It does indeed provide me with a welcome correction. ..but it also validates (in my view) my underlying point, which is that two video discs is massive overkill, increasing the price and the environmental impact for barely any reason. Because while IWIA will, I'm sure, look amazing in 4k, that plus upscaling of the rest is not sufficient reason. To me. I take your point... but for me it's the point of CDs AND vinyl being overkill. Personally I don't have a turntable (although plenty do of course) |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Nov 1, 2022 10:20:41 GMT
Ps the term "full HD" tends not to mean 4k over here, 4k is usually badged either explicitly so, or as "UHD". So your opportunity to patronise was based on a terminology difference that meant your post was unclear. Nope... I never said - or implied - this. "Full HD" and 4k are not interchangeable and not the same thing. I feel my post WAS clear. Think of audio being remastered at 96khz but then down sampled to 44.1khz for CD. It can get confusing I'm afraid!! And I go out of my way to NOT patronise. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 1, 2022 10:34:37 GMT
It does indeed provide me with a welcome correction. ..but it also validates (in my view) my underlying point, which is that two video discs is massive overkill, increasing the price and the environmental impact for barely any reason. Because while IWIA will, I'm sure, look amazing in 4k, that plus upscaling of the rest is not sufficient reason. To me. I take your point... but for me it's the point of CDs AND vinyl being overkill. Personally I don't have a turntable (although plenty do of course) I agree. It was the same with the NOTW box. There should be an option to purchase without the vinyl. |
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chromant
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Post by chromant on Nov 1, 2022 12:37:03 GMT
"My Friend Freddie"... but still I will not give away any of the stuff about him for Queen fans to enjoy
I do get that DoRo should get proper compensation and I don't see why Queen Prod. given how wealthy it supposedly is (i.e. with all the direct/indirect income from Bohemian Rhapsody movie) refuses to give.
Has anyone had the chance to ask anything about this to Rudi?
P.S. the "remastered" The Miracle video looks atrocious
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Post by aaronsamazing on Nov 2, 2022 7:18:01 GMT
Surprised no one has mentioned Topaz Video AI yet…
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mkls
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Post by mkls on Nov 2, 2022 20:15:48 GMT
reddit 2011: www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/yywu6/comment/c60xbyt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3"Hello Rhys, love your work. Got a question about DoRo. Do you have outtakes or raw footage from their videos? I imagine that stuff would be a goldmine, as most of it was shot on film, so lots of HD possibillities. rhysthomasFM OP · 10 yr. ago · edited 10 yr. ago We tried to obtain a lot of these for this documentary but many of the original rushes are lost or destroyed. Very frustrating. However, all video rushes with the exception of Scandal, Headlong, The Miracle, Hard Life, body Language and Breakthu exits in HD so will be fun to do something with those." |
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chromant
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Post by chromant on Nov 2, 2022 21:35:45 GMT
Plot twist: Watch: ‘The Miracle’ Video Remastered in HD “Every drop of rain that falls…”
Remastered in HD from the original 1-inch videotape masters by Oli Maingay at Vanderquest. Video Restoration by Silver Salt. (from brianmay.com)
So given Rhys statement, the original film rushes are "lost" and this is the best quality we will ever get to see The Miracle
I still think that the final answer is in the hands of DoRo, i.e. confirming if the original film rushes ever existed and if they have been lost/destroyed
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nate
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Post by nate on Nov 4, 2022 11:38:53 GMT
The Invisible Man remaster has also been uploaded
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pg
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Post by pg on Nov 4, 2022 14:47:40 GMT
The Invisible Man remaster has also been uploaded Oh the OTHER one with SFX all over it.  |
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ouzy
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Post by ouzy on Nov 4, 2022 16:01:55 GMT
The Invisible Man remaster has also been uploaded I watched the previous version last night funnily enough. Told someone it's not my favourite video of Queen.. Its better than the previous small kind of letterboxed version but shame they didn't have the original film rushes. The later videos could have all looked quite awesome. Still this is better than nothing.. |
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