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Post by fabiogminero on Dec 16, 2022 9:37:06 GMT
I almost forgot: there is yet another officially released version. This is the version that appeared on the 1996 compilation 'Anthology 3'; is essentially the master track of the 1970 version (recorded on January 26th, 1969 as mentioned above, with all Phil Spector arrangements removed - very similar to the Glyn Johns mix. I'll have a listened to this properly over the weekend, see how "different" it is. ]I absolutely agree with you BrƎИsꓘi . Though I've listened to a plethora of bootlegs over the past few years, over the past five years (thanks to the release of deluxe boxed sets of Fab Four albums), I've come to realize just how wonderful there is still within the band's archives, after almost sixty years. I especially adored the Super Deluxe Edition of "Abbey Road" (it's my favorite Beatles album ever, I even wrote a detailed book on it) but I can't wait to see a celebratory box set for "Rubber Soul" in between the other; several songs from those sessions are included in various bootlegs, but in my opinion the best is yet to come. their approach does appear [thus far] to be "let the fans have this stuff" - it's a healthy approach, which Dr May is finally cottoning on to. BrƎИsꓘi You rightly pointed out that finally Brian too is looking into giving fans the 'work in progress' material from Queen's repertoire...which I find to be a great idea. Speaking of this, and getting off the topic of this thread a little, I heard some time ago (I don't remember exactly how long ago) that Queen Productions Ltd. was thinking of making public the material recorded in the studio in Montreux together with David Bowie in 1981 (to be clear, the extra songs recorded in addition to "Under Pressure" such as the original version of "Cool Cat" and other stuff including covers) but that there were problems related to publishing rights. Is it true or did I dream it?
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Post by Mr Mercury on Dec 17, 2022 22:27:15 GMT
I'll have a listened to this properly over the weekend, see how "different" it is. their approach does appear [thus far] to be "let the fans have this stuff" - it's a healthy approach, which Dr May is finally cottoning on to. BrƎИsꓘi You rightly pointed out that finally Brian too is looking into giving fans the 'work in progress' material from Queen's repertoire...which I find to be a great idea. Speaking of this, and getting off the topic of this thread a little, I heard some time ago (I don't remember exactly how long ago) that Queen Productions Ltd. was thinking of making public the material recorded in the studio in Montreux together with David Bowie in 1981 (to be clear, the extra songs recorded in addition to "Under Pressure" such as the original version of "Cool Cat" and other stuff including covers) but that there were problems related to publishing rights. Is it true or did I dream it? I heard that rumour too so you are not imagining it (unless of course I am wrong too) but until it is physically here, I will treat it as such.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Dec 18, 2022 10:40:04 GMT
my concerns re: what actually was recorded and how much of [whatever that was] survives/is workable are:-
♦ of the five musicians present, two are now dead ♦ of the five musicians present, one is retired and completely disinterested ♦ of the five musicians present, two openly admit to having shocking memories, so their recall is (at best) going to be very sketchy ♦ the archive has had dozens of material stowed - but not where sense would dictate - so locating all surviving material may amount to a haphazard rummage through a rat's nest ♦ QPL have actually lost things that they were loaned to them by collectors, so it's not inconceivable to think they've also lost stuff that was their own property.
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Post by dysan on Dec 18, 2022 19:09:05 GMT
The main claim on this material came from Peter Hince in 2017. He claimed they jammed Mott The Hoople songs and various rock n roll oldies with the tape running. Hince was in a unique position as being Bowie and Queen's roadies at various points. “I can categorically say I know that there were complete tracks, not mixed tracks, but fully formed songs that were done. Although he added: "Does it belong to the David Bowie estate or to Queen? That’s probably part of the reason these things have never come to light.”
EDIT: here you are:
David Bowie recorded songs with Queen 'that never got released'
Exclusive: ex-roadie says star and band, who duetted on 1981 hit Under Pressure, made number of ‘raw but good’ tracks
Thu 13 July 2017
David Bowie and Queen recorded a whole batch of songs that have never been released, according to a former roadie.
The tantalising prospect of a hidden cache of recordings by such huge rock stars has been revealed by Peter Hince, who was head of Queen’s road crew when the band and Bowie collaborated on their hit song, Under Pressure, in 1981.
He has disclosed that there was “other material Queen recorded with Bowie that never got released”. He was in the studio with them when they performed and recorded it.
The revelation will be published in a forthcoming book on Bowie by Neil Cossar, a music historian. In one passage, Hince recalls: “They … performed some original songs they did together and also covers. They were just jamming in the studio and it all got recorded – All the Young Dudes, All the Way from Memphis and various rock classics.”
Speaking to the Guardian on Wednesday, Hince said there was no question that the recordings exist.
Bowie died of cancer last year aged 69 and Queen’s lead singer, Freddie Mercury, died in 1991 aged 45, barely 24 hours after he confirmed he had Aids.
Hince said of the unreleased recordings: “There’s stuff with Freddie and David singing together – proper full-length rock’n’roll tracks … Raw, but good.”
Bowie’s estate and Queen’s management declined to comment, but Hince’s recollections are given credence by a throwaway remark made by Queen’s guitarist, Brian May, last month. In an interview with Mojo to promote his new book, Queen in 3-D, May recalled how “Freddie and David locked horns” while recording Under Pressure, but that such things happen in a studio. “Sparks fly and that’s why it turned out so great.” He added: “Not all of what we did in those sessions has ever come to light, so there’s a thought.”
The recording sessions took place at Queen’s Mountain Studios in Montreux, Switzerland, near Bowie’s home in Vevey.
Hince said Queen’s drummer, Roger Taylor, as one of Bowie’s greatest fans had invited the singer over and that when he arrived, there was clearly “mutual admiration”. They began making music together, he recalled.
“They just started knocking things around. They did cover versions [and] a few of their own things … They came back the next day and then recorded what eventually became Under Pressure,” he said. “But there were other things recorded during that period, which were never finished or mixed. David did vocals on some of the other tracks which ended up not being used. So somewhere there is an archive.”
The material goes beyond their Cool Cat recording, which originally featured Bowie’s vocals, he added: “I was in the studio with them. It was all quite spontaneous. It was one of those rock’n’roll moments. They were just fooling around and played each other songs. Certainly, there were other tracks recorded with Queen and Bowie, and Freddie singing, which were never released. Pretty raw, but original material definitely. They were just incredibly spontaneous, good musicians.
“I can categorically say I know that there were complete tracks, not mixed tracks, but fully formed songs that were done. Does it belong to the David Bowie estate or to Queen? That’s probably part of the reason these things have never come to light.”
Hince knew Bowie well, having worked as one of his roadies “in the Ziggy and Diamond Dogs days”: “David and Freddie were totally different people. David was quite quiet. He would never scream and shout if things went wrong. He never played the prima donna. Privately, Freddie was quite quiet. But if things weren’t going his way, he’d let you know in no uncertain terms.”
In 1986, after more than a decade as head of their road crew, Hince left Queen to pursue his other passion, photography.
Asked whether he was aware of unreleased recordings until now, Cossar said: “I’m a music historian and I’d never heard that story before.”
Cossar’s book, David Bowie: I Was There, featuring recollections of the star’s fans, musicians and others who worked with him, will be published on 21 July by Red Planet Publishing.
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