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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 20, 2024 19:33:37 GMT
That's just a repeat of the same story. Note the word reportedly in the first sentence. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 21, 2024 3:02:23 GMT
This didn't affect to the releases. Is just that the money that generates the catalogue, will go to Sony. Universal stills the Queen's record company Are you 100% certain of that ? The deal hasn't gone through yet, and there are no doubt all kinds of intricacies in the legalese. It's always a case by case basis from artist to artist. Chances are that the songwriting, mechanical and publishing royalties will all go to Sony. I can't see why they would pay so much money if Universal would still see a piece of the pie. Let's wait to see what the details are once the deal is done. |
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Post by saintjiub on Jun 21, 2024 3:39:13 GMT
This didn't affect to the releases. Is just that the money that generates the catalogue, will go to Sony. Universal stills the Queen's record company Are you 100% certain of that ? The deal hasn't gone through yet, and there are no doubt all kinds of intricacies in the legalese. It's always a case by case basis from artist to artist. Chances are that the songwriting, mechanical and publishing royalties will all go to Sony. I can't see why they would pay so much money if Universal would still see a piece of the pie. Let's wait to see what the details are once the deal is done.
variety.com/2024/music/news/queen-catalog-acquired-by-sony-music-1-billion-1236042619/ |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 21, 2024 16:25:28 GMT
Are you 100% certain of that ? The deal hasn't gone through yet, and there are no doubt all kinds of intricacies in the legalese. It's always a case by case basis from artist to artist. Chances are that the songwriting, mechanical and publishing royalties will all go to Sony. I can't see why they would pay so much money if Universal would still see a piece of the pie. Let's wait to see what the details are once the deal is done.
variety.com/2024/music/news/queen-catalog-acquired-by-sony-music-1-billion-1236042619/Wow - I stand corrected. I cannot imagine what that negotiation table was like: two giant multinational corporations hashing out who gets what from the second biggest selling band of all time. |
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Post by scallyuk on Jun 22, 2024 2:19:10 GMT
Seduce you with his money-make machine
Cross-collateralize, (big-time money, money)
Reduce you to a muzak-fake machine
Then the last goodbye
It's a rip-off
Wonder who is being had this time ? US fans?
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Post by Ri on Jun 22, 2024 7:31:37 GMT
Brian's comment on this from the latest OIQFC magazine:
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 22, 2024 8:40:44 GMT
... so no new unreleased material then. 🙄
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 22, 2024 11:33:52 GMT
Maybe Sony will employ Greg Brooks to sort though the recordings for unreleased gems.😂🤦♂️
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Post by pg on Jun 22, 2024 11:52:42 GMT
An aside ..
This one's surely going to need JD to actively agree to, and sign up for - as opposed to "fail to veto" which is how his position seems to have been characterised over the last 20 odd years
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Post by Ri on Jun 22, 2024 13:05:15 GMT
An aside .. This one's surely going to need JD to actively agree to, and sign up for - as opposed to "fail to veto" which is how his position seems to have been characterised over the last 20 odd years Good thought, tho I can't imagine he actually spoke to them other than through his assistant or something... |
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Post by katby on Jun 22, 2024 14:58:17 GMT
An aside .. This one's surely going to need JD to actively agree to, and sign up for - as opposed to "fail to veto" which is how his position seems to have been characterised over the last 20 odd years Good thought, tho I can't imagine he actually spoke to them other than through his assistant or something... Brian and Roger haven't spoken to John in years, I believe. Perhaps this deal will prompt an actual conversation? Regardless, as long as his accountant/lawyer doesn't find any problems, John doesn't seem to block anything Brian and Roger suggest. The only time he was publicly disgruntled was when they re-recorded WATC with Robbie Williams.
Unless this deal involves a weird re-recording of their discography, except with a different singer and bassist - I don't think John is going to care. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 22, 2024 16:01:44 GMT
John doesn't seem to block anything Brian and Roger suggest. The only time he was publicly disgruntled was when they re-recorded WATC with Robbie Williams. he and just about everyone else in the world with functioning hearing organs.  |
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Post by billy on Jun 23, 2024 20:54:32 GMT
The catalog, which has been in play for several years and inching toward Sony for the past few months, is complicated by the group’s recorded-music rights for the U.S. and Canada, which were acquired by Disney, for an undisclosed price, at some point in the 2000s after an initial $10 million licensing deal that was struck in 1991. Those rights will remain with Disney in perpetuity, although certain of the bandmembers’ remaining royalties from them will go to Sony once the deal closes. Similarly, the group’s distribution deal, which is currently with Universal, will go to Sony in all territories outside the U.S. and Canada when it expires in 2026 or 2027.
variety.com/2024/music/news/queen-catalog-acquired-by-sony-music-1-billion-1236042619/ Wow - I stand corrected. I cannot imagine what that negotiation table was like: two giant multinational corporations hashing out who gets what from the second biggest selling band of all time. No wonder it has taken/is taking a year plus to get all signatures on the dotted line. |
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Post by billy on Jun 23, 2024 21:00:33 GMT
Brian's comment on this from the latest OIQFC magazine: It’s interesting that Brian stated “and liberate us from many ties which at present hold us back”. I wonder who is holding them back and how? This could mean so many different things that I’m scared to speculate as it will get my hopes up and then inevitably lead to so much disappointment. Yet again. |
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Post by katby on Jun 24, 2024 11:24:40 GMT
Brian's comment on this from the latest OIQFC magazine: It’s interesting that Brian stated “and liberate us from many ties which at present hold us back”. I wonder who is holding them back and how? This could mean so many different things that I’m scared to speculate as it will get my hopes up and then inevitably lead to so much disappointment. Yet again. I'm certainly not getting my hopes up. I think Brian is mainly referring to the personal liberation he'll get from a large pile of cash, and the time he won't have to spend on the business side of things anymore. I also think "we retain artistic control of the Queen legacy" suggests that everything will remain the same in regards to the quantity and quality of releases. Particularly for live releases, I would have liked to see a change. It blows my mind that one of the wealthiest and most renowned live bands have such few quality releases. The senseless muting/muffling of the rhythm section is particularly annoying to me...
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Post by josip on Jun 24, 2024 13:09:41 GMT
Reading Brian's note, I can see why the need to sell it: for example, The Beatles current affairs are handled by the living Beatles (Paul and Ringo) and the heirs of John and George (in this case, there are only two, Dhani and Sean).
With numerous Queen offspring (if I'm correct, John has 5 kids, Roger 5, Brian 3 and there's Mary, her kids and Freddie's sister), imagine the mess and complications just trying to set up a meeting, let alone anything more serious.
So, I can see the rationale behind the decision. And the money isn't so bad, as well...
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 24, 2024 13:20:33 GMT
With numerous Queen offspring (if I'm correct, John has 5 kids, Roger 5, Brian 3 and there's Mary, her kids and Freddie's sister), imagine the mess and complications just trying to set up a meeting, let alone anything more serious. So, I can see the rationale behind the decision. And the money isn't so bad, as well... why would Brian, john and Roger's offspring be involved in boardroom decisions/discussion? I think they'd only be present if they are current Queen PLC Board Members. If Shell or Tesco (or similar) have business decisions to make wouldn't only current board members/major shareholders be present? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 25, 2024 3:47:35 GMT
It’s interesting that Brian stated “and liberate us from many ties which at present hold us back”. I wonder who is holding them back and how? This could mean so many different things that I’m scared to speculate as it will get my hopes up and then inevitably lead to so much disappointment. Yet again. I'm certainly not getting my hopes up. I think Brian is mainly referring to the personal liberation he'll get from a large pile of cash, and the time he won't have to spend on the business side of things anymore. I also think "we retain artistic control of the Queen legacy" suggests that everything will remain the same in regards to the quantity and quality of releases. Particularly for live releases, I would have liked to see a change. It blows my mind that one of the wealthiest and most renowned live bands have such few quality releases. The senseless muting/muffling of the rhythm section is particularly annoying to me...
Deacy is definitely too high in the 1986 FM mix, as it almost completely buries the guitar. As ever, the happy medium is somewhere in the middle. But that FM broadcast is still such a great recording to appreciate his playing. He really did have a completely unique approach to the instrument. |
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Post by saintjiub on Jun 25, 2024 4:09:15 GMT
I'm certainly not getting my hopes up. I think Brian is mainly referring to the personal liberation he'll get from a large pile of cash, and the time he won't have to spend on the business side of things anymore. I also think "we retain artistic control of the Queen legacy" suggests that everything will remain the same in regards to the quantity and quality of releases. Particularly for live releases, I would have liked to see a change. It blows my mind that one of the wealthiest and most renowned live bands have such few quality releases. The senseless muting/muffling of the rhythm section is particularly annoying to me...
Deacy is definitely too high in the 1986 FM mix, as it almost completely buries the guitar. As ever, the happy medium is somewhere in the middle. But that FM broadcast is still such a great recording to appreciate his playing. He really did have a completely unique approach to the instrument. Deacy too high in the mix? Blasphemy |
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Post by katby on Jun 25, 2024 11:21:28 GMT
I'm certainly not getting my hopes up. I think Brian is mainly referring to the personal liberation he'll get from a large pile of cash, and the time he won't have to spend on the business side of things anymore. I also think "we retain artistic control of the Queen legacy" suggests that everything will remain the same in regards to the quantity and quality of releases. Particularly for live releases, I would have liked to see a change. It blows my mind that one of the wealthiest and most renowned live bands have such few quality releases. The senseless muting/muffling of the rhythm section is particularly annoying to me...
Deacy is definitely too high in the 1986 FM mix, as it almost completely buries the guitar. As ever, the happy medium is somewhere in the middle. But that FM broadcast is still such a great recording to appreciate his playing. He really did have a completely unique approach to the instrument. Yes, I'm not suggesting that mix is perfect - I just used that video as a clear example of what is being lost in an official mix. A Night at the Odeon has similar issues and much has been said about Roger's drums on Live at the Bowl, etc... For me, Rock Montreal is the example they should be following. Clear, crisp and also a more accurate reflection of what you'd actually hear at a Queen concert. When you hear how good a high quality audience recording like Long Beach '77 sounds, it just highlights how much better official releases could and should be.
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Post by airpodsmax on Jun 26, 2024 16:12:16 GMT
I wonder how this will affect the box set of the Queen I album, which, according to rumors, is in the pipeline
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Post by dcw70h on Jun 26, 2024 16:17:50 GMT
The Queen 1 boxset maybe the 1st release under the new deal. Given negotiations have been ongoing for a while, any current projects must be being prepared with that in mind.
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Post by ted on Jun 27, 2024 0:00:57 GMT
A (possible) combined Queen I & II box set has been discussed in this Forum. I could favour that, dep. on what/how much bonus material would be included with a combined release.
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Post by pg on Jul 6, 2024 6:03:38 GMT
There's a piece in Private Eye this week highlighting that the sale includes image and brandin rights.
It also speculates that this enables Sony to use AI to create "new Queen songs", for what it's worth (not much in my opinion - AI isn't good at outright creation, plus PE is prone to AI scaremongering)
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Post by snakecharmer on Jul 8, 2024 11:16:37 GMT
I am not holding out much hope that if Sony or another party take over the rights for Queens back catalogue that we are going to treated to any more than just scraps that we have been having for the last 20 odd years. I also feel guilty that I probably have not played a Queen album for around 5 months. I just find other bands releasing stuff that is fresh and interesting . Maybe its just a phase that I am going through , but how many times have QPL failed to deliver something that is really satisfying ?
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Post by lumi on Jul 11, 2024 8:53:19 GMT
According to this Reddit post, as of June 26 Brian, Roger and John are no longer Directors of QPL, and the address has been changed to the Sony HQ in the UK. |
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Post by mattzarella on Jul 11, 2024 9:22:14 GMT
I am not holding out much hope that if Sony or another party take over the rights for Queens back catalogue that we are going to treated to any more than just scraps that we have been having for the last 20 odd years. I also feel guilty that I probably have not played a Queen album for around 5 months. I just find other bands releasing stuff that is fresh and interesting . Maybe its just a phase that I am going through , but how many times have QPL failed to deliver something that is really satisfying ? I'd love to hear some of those new refreshing sounds. Care to drop a few names/ tunes? |
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Post by pg on Jul 11, 2024 15:49:01 GMT
According to this Reddit post, as of June 26 Brian, Roger and John are no longer Directors of QPL, and the address has been changed to the Sony HQ in the UK. So they've sold QPL? OK, that's different. Presumably Queen Touring Ltd has been separated out. All employees and dedicated freelancers now looking slightly nervously at Sony.... |
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Post by lumi on Jul 11, 2024 16:22:45 GMT
According to this Reddit post, as of June 26 Brian, Roger and John are no longer Directors of QPL, and the address has been changed to the Sony HQ in the UK. So they've sold QPL? OK, that's different. Presumably Queen Touring Ltd has been separated out. All employees and dedicated freelancers now looking slightly nervously at Sony.... Ok, so, a disclaimer first. All this information comes from the UK Company Register website and it's public for everyone. I don't have the time or the sufficient knowledge to go into this particular rabbithole further than this, but apparently BM, RT and JD resigned as directors from Queen Touring Ltd as well (again June 26 is the date of resignation), and the new director of QTL is the same Sony guy as QPL. On the other hand they are all still directors of Queen Music Ltd. What's also new is that in April they set up two new companies: Miracle Collective LLP (with directors BM, RT, JD, and a guy who acts as the "Trustee of the Will and of the Residuary Estate" of FM), and Miracle Ongoing Services Ltd (with directors BM and RT). |
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Post by boffy on Jul 11, 2024 22:03:01 GMT
According to this Reddit post, as of June 26 Brian, Roger and John are no longer Directors of QPL, and the address has been changed to the Sony HQ in the UK. So they've sold QPL? OK, that's different. Presumably Queen Touring Ltd has been separated out. All employees and dedicated freelancers now looking slightly nervously at Sony.... Yeah, until now I'd thought this was essentially just them moving record label again, as opposed to actually selling their rights and moving on. |
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