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Post by JFN on Apr 28, 2020 19:41:57 GMT
Hi everyone! I'm new on this forum so I hope I'm using it right. I also believe this is a new one, much better than Queenzone in my opinion! So, I have a question about I Go Crazy – not released on The Works until 2011 (or according to Wikipedia, the 1991 reissue), and I've read that it didn't make the album simply because Freddie, Roger and John didn't like the song. Is this true? What do we know about it? Anyone got reliable sources? Thanks a lot
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Post by Golden Salmon on Apr 28, 2020 20:07:08 GMT
Welcome!
It was the b-side to "Radio Ga Ga" back in the day.
Its origins are in the "Hot Space" sessions. It might be a by-product of their sessions with David Bowie, as they recorded another song titled "I Don't Want To Be A Rolling Stone" (note the similarity in the song's lyrics). Brian played its riff in his solos during the Hot Space tour. It seemingly almost made it to "The Works" album (it's featured on a promo tracklist), so they definitely liked it but I'm not aware of any quotes from them as to why they decided to leave it out.
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Post by anotherroger on Apr 28, 2020 20:17:39 GMT
The song is kind of fun. But it feels more like a jam session than a proper Queen song. That kind of song has been made 1000s of times. I fully understand that it didnt make the album.
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Post by anotherroger on Apr 28, 2020 20:17:55 GMT
And welcome to the forum
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 28, 2020 20:38:12 GMT
Brian played its riff during his solos during the Hot Space tour. And in Puebla 81.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 28, 2020 20:40:27 GMT
It's a great track, and sounds like it was very spontaneous (the recording, anyway). Production wise, it's the best sounding track (not) on the album! That's how I wanted Queen to sound, not swathed in electronics.
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Post by Steve on Apr 28, 2020 21:28:48 GMT
I love the sheer bombastic vibe of the song. You can clearly hear the boys having fun here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 23:11:12 GMT
Here's what Brian told Faces (published in August 1984):
As for recording details, all I know is there were confirmed sessions for it at Basing Street in Notting Hill (London) in December 1982. Sometimes they'd do 'bastard' sessions which didn't really belong to any specific album. 'I Go Crazy' is, therefore, closer to Hot Space but not recorded for Hot Space.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Apr 28, 2020 23:25:05 GMT
Here's what Brian told Faces (published in August 1984): As for recording details, all I know is there were confirmed sessions for it at Basing Street in Notting Hill (London) in December 1982. Sometimes they'd do 'bastard' sessions which didn't really belong to any specific album. 'I Go Crazy' is, therefore, closer to Hot Space but not recorded for Hot Space. Great info!!! Thank you
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Post by Kieran on Apr 29, 2020 5:48:49 GMT
Brian played its riff during his solos during the Hot Space tour. And in Puebla 81.
Don't forget Montreal 81 first night!
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Post by Bohardy on Apr 29, 2020 8:33:51 GMT
The song had its real genesis during the Hot Space sessions, and specifically when Bowie dropped in. It was originally, as Golden Salmon says, called "I Don't Wanna Be A Rolling Stone" at that point.
It's fairly well-documented that there were some creative differences between Bowie and the boys in Montreux, and here's where it gets interesting. It seems that after that experience, Brian reworked the lyrics to be all about Bowie, and what a shit he was during those sessions.
Those lyrics, with the song still being title "I Don't Wanna Be A Rolling Stone" were published in the official illustrated lyrics book that came out in the early 2010s(?) and contain the line "you better stay away from me Bowie" (although it looks like the 'Bowie' was amended to 'Blowie' by hand later).
The original anti-Bowie lyrics, as published in that book, were:
We had a little party,
With the man who stole the blow,
I played a little song 'n' said you can play along,
He said that's NOT how it should go,
You sucked a little blood just before you spat,
You took a bit of this and a bit of that,
To think I nearly let you get away with all that
(oh no, not you)
CHORUS
All I gotta do is think about you,
Every night 'n' day I go crazy
All I gotta do is get my hands on you,
You better stay away from me Bowie.
I wouldn't mind the milkman,
I wouldn't mind the dude,
And if the cleaner came along and wiped the tape,
It wouldn't put me in a bad mood.
Said a Rolling Stone wasn't where it's at,
But you thought that you were better than a Rolling Stone,
(You thought you just had to be)
Of course, you're such a god, you're way above all that,
You had to do your act like a real spoilt brat,
CHORUS (Crazy, crazy)
Now I don't want to hurt you,
The way you hurt-a-me,
But you know I'll be watching, interestedly,
The next time you're on T.V.,
For you'll be back in your life, and I'll in mine,
And I can jump for joy [...]
It's the bulk eraser[?] for the bad memory.
CHORUS
Of course, these lyrics were changed and the song reworked, again, to become the I Go Crazy that was released in 1984. Quite a backstory that one! Full details here on QZ.
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Post by mike71 on Apr 29, 2020 12:14:37 GMT
Good song..Surprised Roger didn't like this one. I would take I Go Crazy over Tear It Up and Man On The Prowl anyday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 15:43:16 GMT
For all we know, he could've disliked those ones too.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 30, 2020 1:42:27 GMT
As for recording details, all I know is there were confirmed sessions for it at Basing Street in Notting Hill (London) in December 1982. Sometimes they'd do 'bastard' sessions which didn't really belong to any specific album. 'I Go Crazy' is, therefore, closer to Hot Space but not recorded for Hot Space. December is extremely suspect. It's been long understood that Queen took a break between November 1982 and the summer of 83. Is there a studio track sheet confirming the date?
Furthermore - there's no way that was recorded in 82 (certainly not the final vocal, anyway), as Mercury's voice is far huskier here than he was in 82. The extra year of smoking on Queen's break really changed his voice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 2:15:27 GMT
There was a convention in Italy, I think, where Mack showed the tracksheet from Basing Street Studios. All it shows is that there were sessions for that song which took place in December 1982; it doesn't mean said sessions included anything found in the final mix and it doesn't mean said sessions featured all instrumentation and vocals.
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 4, 2020 22:39:05 GMT
There was a convention in Italy, I think, where Mack showed the tracksheet from Basing Street Studios. All it shows is that there were sessions for that song which took place in December 1982; it doesn't mean said sessions included anything found in the final mix and it doesn't mean said sessions featured all instrumentation and vocals. Maybe it was recorded earlier, and the December studio time was a mixing session with just Mack and one or two of the band members?
Or maybe it was just Bri/Rog/John laying down the backing track ? The vocal track is certainly from 83.
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Post by staysweet on May 5, 2020 0:25:13 GMT
It’s hard to believe the guys didn’t like this song, I think it’s great! It’s so much fun, great energy and lyrics, I am amazed they would choose others over this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:50:49 GMT
So, to sum up: we know that, on Monday 20 th December 1982 something was done at Basing Street Studios in London regarding a track with the word 'Crazy' at the end of its title. It's far more likely that it was 'I Go Crazy' (the other options being 'Stone Cold Crazy' or something else altogether). What that something was is anybody's guess. But 'guess' doesn't mean 'shot in the dark having no clue at all'. It can be safely established a bit of a hierarchy there: - It's extremely unlikely that the four of them recorded that day the version of the track that we all know.
- It's also extremely unlikely that the tracksheet was forged, that it referred to a re-recording of 'Stone Cold Crazy', that the person who marked it wrote 1982 by mistake but it was actually 1981 or 1983, etc.
- There's a grey area of possibilities which are neither extremely likely nor extremely unlikely, and which are to some extent compatible with the story as we know it, including:
- An instrumental take without Frederick Mercury, later on re-worked with/by him (between August 1983 and January 1984).
- A Brian-only demo.
- Overdubs made by Brian, Roger or both to the 1981 backing track (I'm not counting John here since all he did on that song was in the backing track).
- A re-mix of recordings of that song made months prior.
- A transfer or copy at Basing Street in London of something they'd recorded in either Switzerland, West Germany or even the USA.
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Post by georg on Jan 17, 2024 18:16:46 GMT
Bumping a very, very old thread, but I discovered something that might clue us in more to the recording origin of 'I Go Crazy' – and it's been hiding in plain sight for 13 years. In the 2011 Works CD reissue, there's a credit for additional engineering on 'I Go Crazy' to Nigel Mills. Some deeper digging finds he was a studio engineer at Island Studios – which was renamed Basing Street Studios in 1975, and then Sarm West Studios around 1982.
Brian revealed in a late 1982 interview with Kerrang that "we're going into Basing Street to put down a couple of tracks and see how they turn out. We've got a couple of heavy numbers in mind – we thought we'd try something a bit more natural and see how it comes out. In fact we're actually planning some kind of heavy compilation LP, which may or may not have some live tracks as well as the ones we'll be doing soon, for early next year." A live-in-the-studio instrumental take of 'I Go Crazy' from these sessions was played at the 2006 Dutch fan club convention, and doesn't sound too far off from the finished version.
So it seems that 'I Go Crazy' was recorded partially (or entirely) at Sarm West in December 1982. (The vocals, lead and backing, may have been added during the Works sessions; as Bob noted almost four years ago, Freddie's voice definitely sounds closer to The Works-era than it does the end of the Hot Space tour, but whether it was recorded in Los Angeles or Munich is another mystery.)
Of course this may be common knowledge and I'm just out of the loop, as I didn't buy any of the 2011 CD reissues, but this is the first instance I'm seeing Nigel's name in relation to 'I Go Crazy'. It's sometimes frustrating, sometimes fun, to try to piece together Queen's recording sessions...
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Post by cmi on Jan 17, 2024 18:27:32 GMT
Georg, I had the same investigation in a couple of days ago on this track. So I really excitied and surprised to see same conclusions from you in this thread almost at the same time. Respect!
Never seen this interview of Brian. It's a great find. What Brian said here ("we're going into Basing Street to put down a couple of tracks...") means for me that they're going to record a couple of tracks from scratch, not "to finish" or something related to polishing process of the existing recording.
It's interesting, which second heavy track he meant in that statement....
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Post by fireplace on Jan 17, 2024 20:56:33 GMT
Still amazed at the acidic lyrics, I wonder what happened between the Bowie-sessions in 1981 and Bowie reciting the Lords Prayer at the FM-tribute. Either he never got to read these lyrics or they had a good laugh over it and then moved on.
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Post by mattzarella on Jan 18, 2024 0:15:50 GMT
Still amazed at the acidic lyrics, I wonder what happened between the Bowie-sessions in 1981 and Bowie reciting the Lords Prayer at the FM-tribute. Either he never got to read these lyrics or they had a good laugh over it and then moved on. Well, Bowie was maybe a drug fiend and stole the blow left on the desk or in the "rec room". Much like the fake Kramer on SEINFELD stole the box of raisins. Also sounds like he was trying to derail anything rock and roll about what Brian was playing. It must've been hard for Brian to get any rocky things put over
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Post by merplot on Jan 18, 2024 1:09:05 GMT
Still amazed at the acidic lyrics, I wonder what happened between the Bowie-sessions in 1981 and Bowie reciting the Lords Prayer at the FM-tribute. Either he never got to read these lyrics or they had a good laugh over it and then moved on. Brian does a pretty good job at hiding his ego, but working with someone who lets it roam free-- Im sure that wasnt fun to be involved with, looking into the face of your own dark side. In spite of his charm, I'm sure Bowie was not easy to work with, plus tensions within the band were pretty high at that point to begin with. Business, that's what probably happened. Brian has made a few little comments about Bowie reciting the Lords Prayer, but both Queen and Bowie are/were savvy enough to know not to disparage each other in public even if they had wanted to.
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Post by pg on Jan 18, 2024 8:38:30 GMT
Still amazed at the acidic lyrics, I wonder what happened between the Bowie-sessions in 1981 and Bowie reciting the Lords Prayer at the FM-tribute. Either he never got to read these lyrics or they had a good laugh over it and then moved on. Did those lyrics emerge before the FM tribute? My earliest memory (deeply unreliable) of them is some lyric thing this century (poss the Queen 40 time?)
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Post by fireplace on Jan 18, 2024 19:24:44 GMT
Still amazed at the acidic lyrics, I wonder what happened between the Bowie-sessions in 1981 and Bowie reciting the Lords Prayer at the FM-tribute. Either he never got to read these lyrics or they had a good laugh over it and then moved on. Did those lyrics emerge before the FM tribute? My earliest memory (deeply unreliable) of them is some lyric thing this century (poss the Queen 40 time?) Probably not, I'm not even sure they surfaced before Bowie died. It's just the idea that he performed at the Freddie-tribute with at least one Queen member who apparently hated his guts. I wouldn't do a very good job of hiding that, let alone perform with him in front of a live and TV audience of millions.
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Post by vicspec on Jan 18, 2024 20:47:28 GMT
Another odd connection and potential dig between Bowie and May is on Bowie's 1995 track, Ramona A. Stone / I Am with Name where he samples the Brian May band. What could it mean? youtu.be/udrMCxDwXwY?t=197
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Post by chowder on Jan 18, 2024 21:12:21 GMT
Another odd connection and potential dig between Bowie and May is on Bowie's 1995 track, Ramona A. Stone / I Am with Name where he samples the Brian May band. What could it mean? youtu.be/udrMCxDwXwY?t=197 Talking about coincidences! I heard this track yesterday (and listen to it for 25+ years) and thought that sample sounded like Brian, but didn't find anything about it. Very odd indeed. Just as odd that I never thought that this is Brian until yesterday.
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Post by dontloseyourheads on Jan 18, 2024 22:31:15 GMT
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Post by pg on Jan 19, 2024 10:27:13 GMT
How could a sample be a "dig"
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Post by mattzarella on Jan 19, 2024 23:06:34 GMT
Interesting. I would've never recognized that as BMB.i haven't heard the album in its entirety since the year+3 that it came out.
Fizzled in the USA and I got it new for like $6 at a secondary retailer along with a bunch of other cool crap. Love that album. Not so much the segues.
I couldn't fathom Brian holding contempt for Bowie for a long time, but hey you never know. I think it was more in line with frustration in not having his rock music being taken seriously at a time when 80s rock was booming in the states.
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