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Post by ted on Nov 4, 2023 18:07:21 GMT
Brenski wrote: despite the fact that Queen very seldom had concerts of 2hrs (most were around 1½hrs)
The Earl's Court shows in 1977 were about 2 hours long but of course that was a long time ago when the Group was much, much younger.
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Post by Leon's Crazy Game on Nov 4, 2023 18:31:45 GMT
"very seldom" doesn't mean "never". In fact, the only era where shows up to and not too rarely even above two hours would be the NOTW and Jazz Tours where the average shows where about 110 to 120/125 minutes although that often includes encore breaks - of course there are exceptions like the last show of the SHA Tour in Tokyo or shows like Stockholm and Nishinomiya 1982
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Post by snakecharmer on Nov 4, 2023 21:11:27 GMT
I have to say that Queens Magic Tour in 1986 came in at over 2 hours , granted Freddie rested during piano numbers and Brian's solo. However I remember him running the whole length of that very large stage three or four times. Impressive stuff.
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Post by Mr Mercury on Nov 4, 2023 21:26:01 GMT
Problem I had with PR was that he wanted to include the Free & Bad Company hits and when I saw them at Brixton Academy, it really didn't go down that well. Not entirely true. Paul said he initially wanted to do all Queen songs as Brian and Roger hadnt been out as Queen in such a long time but it was Brian and Roger's idea to play some of his songs. I wish I still had the magazine that had this interview in it. I did post it on Queenzone years ago but obviously that has gone too.
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Post by merplot on Nov 4, 2023 21:43:44 GMT
There seems to be too much emphasis on trying to get the studio Queen sound rather than the live Queen sound even today with Spike and his damn synth. Srsly.... who needs keyboards in Stone Cold Crazy??? But I digress.
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Post by vh on Nov 5, 2023 0:22:34 GMT
Keyboards have been part of the live Queen sound since 1982. Did they belong in Fat Bottom Girls or WE Will Rock You or Now I’m Here? (yes I know the studio version of Now I’m Here has a piano in it).
The point is that Spike has been playing those parts since 84. What they do have now is a better range of backing vocals and a less raw sound in their playing, but the sound they produced in their 20’s was already smoothing out during the early 80’s. Brian’s playing through the years has become more measured and in some cases he doesn’t play exactly what he did back in the day, seeking a slightly easier version of some of those familiar lines.
What we have to remember is that it’s their band and their show, it’s up to them how they want to present their music.
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Post by saintjiub on Nov 5, 2023 0:46:08 GMT
Problem I had with PR was that he wanted to include the Free & Bad Company hits and when I saw them at Brixton Academy, it really didn't go down that well. Not entirely true. Paul said he initially wanted to do all Queen songs as Brian and Roger hadnt been out as Queen in such a long time but it was Brian and Roger's idea to play some of his songs. I wish I still had the magazine that had this interview in it. I did post it on Queenzone years ago but obviously that has gone too. www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone.html
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 5, 2023 7:37:16 GMT
I have to say that Queens Magic Tour in 1986 came in at over 2 hours , granted Freddie rested during piano numbers and Brian's solo. However I remember him running the whole length of that very large stage three or four times. Impressive stuff. which gigs? the two Wembley gigs (i believe) came in at 1h51m and 1h49m respectively, and Knebworth was 1h54m Mannheim was slightly shorter 1h48m, Budapest 1h50m, Slane Castle 1h,47m, Paris 1h,43m, Barcelona 1h42m, Brussels 1h43m, Leiden 1h44m, Stockholm 1h45m, Zurich 1h45m, Berlin 1h46m and Vienna 1h44m - these are timings MINUS the encore "gaps".
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Post by Leon's Crazy Game on Nov 5, 2023 9:09:37 GMT
To my knowledge (after looking it up on queenbots.live that means), the second night in Leiden was 1h,56m with some sources of 2nd Wembley reaching the same length - all of which are still just under two hours, encore breaks included
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 5, 2023 10:36:51 GMT
I have to say that Queens Magic Tour in 1986 came in at over 2 hours , granted Freddie rested during piano numbers and Brian's solo. However I remember him running the whole length of that very large stage three or four times. Impressive stuff. the two Wembley gigs (i believe) came in at 1h51m and 1h49m respectively, and Knebworth was 1h54m Mannheim was slightly shorter 1h48m, Budapest 1h50m, Slane Castle 1h,47m, Paris 1h,43m, Barcelona 1h42m, Brussels 1h43m, Leiden 1h44m, Stockholm 1h45m, Zurich 1h45m, Berlin 1h46m and Vienna 1h44m - these are timings MINUS the encore "gaps". To my knowledge (after looking it up on queenbots.live that means), the second night in Leiden was 1h,56m with some sources of 2nd Wembley reaching the same length - all of which are still just under two hours, encore breaks included which (more or less) confirms my timings, thanks - and dismisses the assertion (above) that Magic Tour gigs exceeded 2hrs the only thing that exceeded 2hrs on the Magic Tour was the wait to get out of Wembley Stadium Car Park after the gig on the Saturday - thank you Nth London Police for bailing Boy George!!!
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Post by Mr Mercury on Nov 5, 2023 22:33:54 GMT
Not entirely true. Paul said he initially wanted to do all Queen songs as Brian and Roger hadnt been out as Queen in such a long time but it was Brian and Roger's idea to play some of his songs. I wish I still had the magazine that had this interview in it. I did post it on Queenzone years ago but obviously that has gone too. www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone.htmlThanks for that saintjiub. I now know the magazine was called Powerplay Paul Talking About The Last Tour With Queen This is from 2007.
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Post by faninthe6ix on Nov 6, 2023 19:24:36 GMT
Problem I had with PR was that he wanted to include the Free & Bad Company hits and when I saw them at Brixton Academy, it really didn't go down that well. Not entirely true. Paul said he initially wanted to do all Queen songs as Brian and Roger hadnt been out as Queen in such a long time but it was Brian and Roger's idea to play some of his songs. I wish I still had the magazine that had this interview in it. I did post it on Queenzone years ago but obviously that has gone too. Ok I stand corrected but still didn't like it
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Post by pg on Nov 18, 2023 11:29:10 GMT
The issue with the Brixton concert, IMO, was the energy being sucked out of the crowd by the 35 minute intro tape. My recollection is that the lights went down, Track 13 started...and that was it for what seemed like hours.
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Post by sunshine on Nov 21, 2023 10:10:17 GMT
The issue with the Brixton concert, IMO, was the energy being sucked out of the crowd by the 35 minute intro tape. My recollection is that the lights went down, Track 13 started...and that was it for what seemed like hours. Track 13 is still played as an intro on the US 2023 tour
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Post by august on Nov 27, 2023 11:32:41 GMT
The issue with the Brixton concert, IMO, was the energy being sucked out of the crowd by the 35 minute intro tape. My recollection is that the lights went down, Track 13 started...and that was it for what seemed like hours. Track 13 is still played as an intro on the US 2023 tour I think they have played Track 13 as an intro on every tour/show since their resurrection in 2005. And I think this is a really nice gesture. It'a sort of a symbolic transition (a rite of passage, if you will). Track 13 being "the last Queen track with Freddie" (yes, we can argue about that but let's just say that the ending of MIH album was the last goodbye; a reflection of Freddie transcending to Heaven/afterlife/whatever in musical form.) To start every show with that is a nod to Freddie and to their past.... And when it is over, then the band can show us where they are today.
Well, that's my interpretations of it, and I think it's moving, emotional and effective, even if the Track 13 is probably too long for most people's attention span these days, especially when they expect to be rocked!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 27, 2023 13:01:34 GMT
The issue with the Brixton concert, IMO, was the energy being sucked out of the crowd by the 35 minute intro tape. My recollection is that the lights went down, Track 13 started...and that was it for what seemed like hours. the only people who gain out of the 35-minute darkness are pick-pockets
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Post by eiricd on Nov 27, 2023 21:30:50 GMT
I wonder if we'll ever get the full story of why QPR folded...
I do remember Roger saying in an interview either very late 2008 or sometime in 2009 that "Brian and Paul had some differences". I honestly think that's where the problem was - Paul has a track record for being a a tough guy to work with, and I'm sure Brian is as well. The official "it's come to an end, we parted ways to save the friendship" line is probably more sanitised than the true story.
I also remember Paul commenting on TCR around the time he did his soul album about 10 years ago, and how he felt it was strange that they went in doing a record without a bass player. He also added that "politically, Brian and Roger were calling the shots..."
I'd love to know the whole story
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Post by nico on Nov 28, 2023 0:08:40 GMT
I wonder if we'll ever get the full story of why QPR folded... I do remember Roger saying in an interview either very late 2008 or sometime in 2009 that "Brian and Paul had some differences". I honestly think that's where the problem was - Paul has a track record for being a a tough guy to work with, and I'm sure Brian is as well. The official "it's come to an end, we parted ways to save the friendship" line is probably more sanitised than the true story. I also remember Paul commenting on TCR around the time he did his soul album about 10 years ago, and how he felt it was strange that they went in doing a record without a bass player. He also added that "politically, Brian and Roger were calling the shots..." I'd love to know the whole story So would I ! Brian and Roger seem to be very good AT kerping secrets (I'm also thinking of Freddie's illness and John's retirement / mental health). If you watch the 2008 South America gigs, you'll notice there is ZERO interaction between Paul and Brian. Which is in such stark contrast with, Say, Sheffield 2005. I'm still dreaming that Q and PR could make a final, one-off gig together.
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Post by Arnaldo Ogre- on Nov 28, 2023 2:05:12 GMT
I wonder if we'll ever get the full story of why QPR folded... I do remember Roger saying in an interview either very late 2008 or sometime in 2009 that "Brian and Paul had some differences". I honestly think that's where the problem was - Paul has a track record for being a a tough guy to work with, and I'm sure Brian is as well. The official "it's come to an end, we parted ways to save the friendship" line is probably more sanitised than the true story. I also remember Paul commenting on TCR around the time he did his soul album about 10 years ago, and how he felt it was strange that they went in doing a record without a bass player. He also added that "politically, Brian and Roger were calling the shots..." I'd love to know the whole story So would I ! Brian and Roger seem to be very good AT kerping secrets (I'm also thinking of Freddie's illness and John's retirement / mental health). If you watch the 2008 South America gigs, you'll notice there is ZERO interaction between Paul and Brian. Which is in such stark contrast with, Say, Sheffield 2005. I'm still dreaming that Q and PR could make a final, one-off gig together. As for a last concert, it would be a dream come true, but I think Brian and Roger would not be interested and I can almost hear Paul refusing it in his own dialect: "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm". Cheers, Ogre-
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Post by vh on Nov 28, 2023 11:02:44 GMT
So would I ! Brian and Roger seem to be very good AT kerping secrets (I'm also thinking of Freddie's illness and John's retirement / mental health). If you watch the 2008 South America gigs, you'll notice there is ZERO interaction between Paul and Brian. Which is in such stark contrast with, Say, Sheffield 2005. I'm still dreaming that Q and PR could make a final, one-off gig together. As for a last concert, it would be a dream come true, but I think Brian and Roger would not be interested and I can almost hear Paul refusing it in his own dialect: "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm". Cheers, Ogre- In the past Paul Rodgers has said he would be open to the idea of doing a Q+PR gig, I think he was talking about a charity event or one off gig. I don’t think Brian and Roger are interested, they’ve had far more success and probably a more enjoyable time with Adam Lambert.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 28, 2023 11:19:12 GMT
I think it would be a step backwards for them to do a Q+PR gig. It clearly wasn't the most successful or happiest period for the band so why would they want to return to it? They seem to be having the times of their lives with AL, so long may that continue. 🙂
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Post by scotttmax on Nov 28, 2023 12:43:47 GMT
I mean I’m forever grateful for PR for getting the boys back together, I thought my chance of seeing ‘Queen’ had gone… But AL is definitely a better fit
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Post by vh on Nov 28, 2023 15:29:46 GMT
I mean I’m forever grateful for PR for getting the boys back together, I thought my chance of seeing ‘Queen’ had gone… But AL is definitely a better fit I tend to agree. I enjoyed the PR lineup, probably partly due to the fact they hadn’t toured for so long, but looking back now with AL fronting the band it seems to be more of “a band” and less of a walk on part for the singer. Definitely a more natural fit.
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Post by eiricd on Nov 28, 2023 19:45:28 GMT
I mean I’m forever grateful for PR for getting the boys back together, I thought my chance of seeing ‘Queen’ had gone… But AL is definitely a better fit I tend to agree. I enjoyed the PR lineup, probably partly due to the fact they hadn’t toured for so long, but looking back now with AL fronting the band it seems to be more of “a band” and less of a walk on part for the singer. Definitely a more natural fit. keep in mind that Paul Rodgers was a legend before Queen had a record deal. a marriage between a huge band in need of a singer, and a singer who is a legend in his own right, will always be difficult. one of the reasons, I'm sure, Brian has to point out in every interview what a nice guy adam lambert, is that he is VERY likely not one to stand up to Brian or Roger. lambert won the lottery when he was taken under their wings, and I'm sure he knows that damn well. he is never going to bite the hand that feeds him. Paul Rodgers didn't need Queen. As much as I'm sure 2005-2008 made him quite a lot of money, Queen was never his golden ticket. The fact that Paul was Brian and Roger's equal probably made the project more difficult. I'm sure working with lambert is easy, as I imagine he does what he told, basically. I'm sure they ask for his input and opinion, but at the end of the day, he is one lucky employee.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 28, 2023 20:22:09 GMT
I tend to agree. I enjoyed the PR lineup, probably partly due to the fact they hadn’t toured for so long, but looking back now with AL fronting the band it seems to be more of “a band” and less of a walk on part for the singer. Definitely a more natural fit. keep in mind that Paul Rodgers was a legend before Queen had a record deal. a marriage between a huge band in need of a singer, and a singer who is a legend in his own right, will always be difficult. one of the reasons, I'm sure, Brian has to point out in every interview what a nice guy adam lambert, is that he is VERY likely not one to stand up to Brian or Roger. lambert won the lottery when he was taken under their wings, and I'm sure he knows that damn well. he is never going to bite the hand that feeds him. Paul Rodgers didn't need Queen. As much as I'm sure 2005-2008 made him quite a lot of money, Queen was never his golden ticket. The fact that Paul was Brian and Roger's equal probably made the project more difficult. I'm sure working with lambert is easy, as I imagine he does what he told, basically. I'm sure they ask for his input and opinion, but at the end of the day, he is one lucky employee. I think the relationship between Brian and Roger, and Adam, works both ways. Sure, he's incredibly lucky to have got the gig, but there's not many singers in the world who would be able to handle the songs in the way that he does, and arguably, if there was no Q+AL, there could well be no Queen any more. Both sides benefit each other, and I think Brian and Roger have tremendous respect for Adam, who has enabled them to continue doing what they love to do.
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Post by eiricd on Nov 28, 2023 20:41:53 GMT
keep in mind that Paul Rodgers was a legend before Queen had a record deal. a marriage between a huge band in need of a singer, and a singer who is a legend in his own right, will always be difficult. one of the reasons, I'm sure, Brian has to point out in every interview what a nice guy adam lambert, is that he is VERY likely not one to stand up to Brian or Roger. lambert won the lottery when he was taken under their wings, and I'm sure he knows that damn well. he is never going to bite the hand that feeds him. Paul Rodgers didn't need Queen. As much as I'm sure 2005-2008 made him quite a lot of money, Queen was never his golden ticket. The fact that Paul was Brian and Roger's equal probably made the project more difficult. I'm sure working with lambert is easy, as I imagine he does what he told, basically. I'm sure they ask for his input and opinion, but at the end of the day, he is one lucky employee. I think the relationship between Brian and Roger, and Adam, works both ways. Sure, he's incredibly lucky to have got the gig, but there's not many singers in the world who would be able to handle the songs in the way that he does, and arguably, if there was no Q+AL, there could well be no Queen any more. Both sides benefit each other, and I think Brian and Roger have tremendous respect for Adam, who has enabled them to continue doing what they love to do. well, tbh, I've never been a fan of the project. and imo, everything in the catalouge with a harder edge to it sees lambert fall very short. (which is the songs that Paul did so well imo) I'm sure Bri and Rog are grateful for a guy who won't stand up to them and give them any headache, is easy to get along with, and at least on paper has a vocal range that can cover a lot of ground - no doubt about it - as it enables them to continue as Queen.
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Post by eiricd on Nov 28, 2023 20:48:44 GMT
I think it would be a step backwards for them to do a Q+PR gig. It clearly wasn't the most successful or happiest period for the band so why would they want to return to it? They seem to be having the times of their lives with AL, so long may that continue. 🙂 as far as success goes - what has happened post the BoRhap movie is a different story. If that film had been released in 2005 - QPR would have done the same numbers. also, classic rock bands/brands do WAY better business now than 15-20 years ago. comparing 2005-2008 to 2012-2018 is more interesting though. and apart from arguably better ticket sales in the US (can someone explain that to me? I don't think lambert has the drawing power the equals the difference in ticket sales, and I somehow don't think the same number of tickets said "NO WAY" when QPR came to town, and "YES PLEASE" when lambert came on board.) they did the same venues from 2005-2018, regardless of singer. people tend to get caught up in the TCR album and its lack of commercial success, but as a live act, QPR was NOT unsuccessfull
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Post by eiricd on Nov 28, 2023 20:52:42 GMT
Not entirely true. Paul said he initially wanted to do all Queen songs as Brian and Roger hadnt been out as Queen in such a long time but it was Brian and Roger's idea to play some of his songs. I wish I still had the magazine that had this interview in it. I did post it on Queenzone years ago but obviously that has gone too. Ok I stand corrected but still didn't like it Brian and Roger initially wanted more of a 50-50 split in the set list, but Paul talked them into making it more Queen heavy, as he felt the band had been gone for so long, and that was what they came to see. Decent move The PR songs that remained were all great additions imo. All Right Now brought the house down, and Wishing Well kicked major a***. As did Bad Company in 2008. Can't get enough....and Feel Like making love aren't exactly throw away songs either.....
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Post by vh on Nov 28, 2023 22:28:18 GMT
I think it would be a step backwards for them to do a Q+PR gig. It clearly wasn't the most successful or happiest period for the band so why would they want to return to it? They seem to be having the times of their lives with AL, so long may that continue. 🙂 as far as success goes - what has happened post the BoRhap movie is a different story. If that film had been released in 2005 - QPR would have done the same numbers. also, classic rock bands/brands do WAY better business now than 15-20 years ago. comparing 2005-2008 to 2012-2018 is more interesting though. and apart from arguably better ticket sales in the US (can someone explain that to me? I don't think lambert has the drawing power the equals the difference in ticket sales, and I somehow don't think the same number of tickets said "NO WAY" when QPR came to town, and "YES PLEASE" when lambert came on board.) they did the same venues from 2005-2018, regardless of singer. people tend to get caught up in the TCR album and its lack of commercial success, but as a live act, QPR was NOT unsuccessfull The first US tour with Lambert out sold the previous Q+PR tours as did the following tours, before Bohemian Rhapsody (film) was released. Obviously the release of the film has increased sales but the fact still remains that with Lambert they have been a bigger live draw than with Rodgers. It is purely down to more people wanting to see Queen fronted by Lambert. It’s not about the number of tickets either Rodgers or Lambert can sell, it’s about how popular Queen + are with which ever singer. As an artist Lambert probably doesn’t sell as many tickets as Paul Rodgers, but that isn’t what this is about. As for the working relationship goes. Yes Paul Rodgers was on a level footing with Brian and Roger, but he has a reputation for being not the easiest person to work with, there are plenty of stories about him and the Queen guys having words. Lambert, when he started, very much looked up to Brian and Roger. That has changed through the years, although there is respect on both sides, he certainly has input into what they do and does make his feelings clear when needed. The difference is that they get along on many levels which wasn’t the case with Paul Rodgers.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 28, 2023 22:36:06 GMT
Brian and Roger seem to be very good AT kerping secrets (I'm also thinking of Freddie's illness and John's retirement / mental health). i don't think any of it is "keeping secrets" - that would imply that they have something to hide a better word would be discretion - as disclosing information that involves a third party could easily cause offence/upset.
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