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Post by mas2ermercury on Mar 8, 2024 17:52:18 GMT
Happy 50th birthday Queen II, surely one of their best albums.
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Post by mallyorsomething on Mar 8, 2024 21:47:18 GMT
Cant wait for the boxset of 2 t-shirts and a keychain with the album cover.
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Post by mas2ermercury on Mar 8, 2024 22:43:43 GMT
Cant wait for the boxset of 2 t-shirts and a keychain with the album cover. We already got the shirts 😂
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 8, 2024 23:22:09 GMT
or these....
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Post by vh on Mar 8, 2024 23:35:13 GMT
I think it’s just a little strange that the Album Brian often sighted as his favourite, until Made In Heaven or was it innuendo, hasn’t even had a nod from QP.
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Post by lumi on Mar 8, 2024 23:48:24 GMT
I was under the impression that QPL has barely any extra content for a potential collector's release of Queen II (as opposed to, say, The Miracle or any album from the 80s or late 70s), is there any evidence to the contrary?
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Post by manymilesaway on Mar 8, 2024 23:52:57 GMT
I was under the impression that QPL has barely any extra content for a potential collector's release of Queen II (as opposed to, say, The Miracle or any album from the 80s or late 70s), is there any evidence to the contrary? Convention demos with alternate takes, the Queen II session of Brighton Rock, instrumentals, multitracks exist for a 5.1 remix, a 2024 remix, etc. A Queen II tour live performance would be welcome too, if they have another one in the archives besides Rainbow. There's lots to be done with Queen II.
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Post by saintjiub on Mar 9, 2024 0:48:19 GMT
Cant wait for the boxset of 2 t-shirts and a keychain with the album cover. I'm gullible and can never determine whether a forum nooby is being sarcastic ... or not One Side White t-shirt and one Side Black t-shirt???
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Post by mallyorsomething on Mar 9, 2024 2:22:19 GMT
Cant wait for the boxset of 2 t-shirts and a keychain with the album cover. I'm gullible and can never determine whether a forum nooby is being sarcastic ... or not One Side White t-shirt and one Side Black t-shirt??? Yes it was sarcasm. I only imagine those being plain white and black lol
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Post by bofi1980 on Mar 9, 2024 2:33:47 GMT
with recent AI tech 5.1 mix could be done easily - look at recent Beatles releases
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Post by manymilesaway on Mar 9, 2024 4:45:27 GMT
with recent AI tech 5.1 mix could be done easily - look at recent Beatles releases That's completely unnecessary. Beatles used four-track and eight-track recorders, Queen used 16 and 24 track. There's no need for further separation in the context of a mix. Over-reliance on AI is going to make for sloppier product. Humans know what they're doing.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Mar 9, 2024 11:57:59 GMT
with recent AI tech 5.1 mix could be done easily - look at recent Beatles releases That's completely unnecessary. Beatles used four-track and eight-track recorders, Queen used 16 and 24 track. There's no need for further separation in the context of a mix. Over-reliance on AI is going to make for sloppier product. Humans know what they're doing. Yet if they don't sort their shit out soon, I'll be making my own! I've been waiting over 20 years since it was first rumoured and then confirmed as being planned - Brian said as much in his orbitury to Mike Stone.
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Post by lumi on Mar 9, 2024 13:01:05 GMT
I was under the impression that QPL has barely any extra content for a potential collector's release of Queen II (as opposed to, say, The Miracle or any album from the 80s or late 70s), is there any evidence to the contrary? Convention demos with alternate takes, the Queen II session of Brighton Rock, instrumentals, multitracks exist for a 5.1 remix, a 2024 remix, etc. A Queen II tour live performance would be welcome too, if they have another one in the archives besides Rainbow. There's lots to be done with Queen II. Ok, so they have no excuses and I'm actively angry about this now lol. For some reason I thought they had no multitracks left for Queen and Queen II.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Mar 9, 2024 13:53:11 GMT
Ok, so they have no excuses and I'm actively angry about this now lol. For some reason I thought they had no multitracks left for Queen and Queen II. Well, we have no idea what multitracks they DO have missing. I know News Of The World is short - Greg said as much when the boxset came out and I questioned him about the disappointing lack of a surround sound mix.
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Post by manymilesaway on Mar 9, 2024 16:25:06 GMT
Convention demos with alternate takes, the Queen II session of Brighton Rock, instrumentals, multitracks exist for a 5.1 remix, a 2024 remix, etc. A Queen II tour live performance would be welcome too, if they have another one in the archives besides Rainbow. There's lots to be done with Queen II. Ok, so they have no excuses and I'm actively angry about this now lol. For some reason I thought they had no multitracks left for Queen and Queen II. Queen I and Queen II's multitracks seem to be fine. KYA and SSOR are on Queen Rock Tour with stems, and Liar has a 1991 bonus remix, meaning that that song has digitized multitracks. My Fairy King also had mixable stems at a recent Fan Club Convention. Convention demos also have their own mixes too, so I'm FAIRLY certain most if not everything from QI/QII have multis.
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Post by fabiogminero on Mar 10, 2024 9:48:35 GMT
It wouldn't be a bad idea at all to release a nice commemorative box set for the fiftieth anniversary of 'Queen' and 'Queen II'. As already mentioned previously by some of you here on this forum, there are multitracks and demos from the recording sessions (including, among other things, 'Polar Bear' and some alternate takes from the first album sessions). Surely there will be some recordings of some concerts in the band's archives that we don't know about...a good project could come in my opinion, naturally accompanied by a decent remastering of the albums. Who knows...
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 10, 2024 10:07:30 GMT
It wouldn't be a bad idea at all to release a nice commemorative box set for the fiftieth anniversary of 'Queen' and 'Queen II'. As already mentioned previously by some of you here on this forum, there are multitracks and demos from the recording sessions (including, among other things, 'Polar Bear' and some alternate takes from the first album sessions). Surely there will be some recordings of some concerts in the band's archives that we don't know about...a good project could come in my opinion, naturally accompanied by a decent remastering of the albums. Who knows... of course, but that's not what will be released (if anything all) a more likely outcome would see: Disc 1: Queen Disc 2: Queen II Disc 3: BBC Sessions 1-4 Disc 4: Live In Concert Golders Green (Sept 1973) Disc 5: Live At The Rainbow (March 1974)
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Post by fabiogminero on Mar 10, 2024 13:00:58 GMT
It wouldn't be a bad idea at all to release a nice commemorative box set for the fiftieth anniversary of 'Queen' and 'Queen II'. As already mentioned previously by some of you here on this forum, there are multitracks and demos from the recording sessions (including, among other things, 'Polar Bear' and some alternate takes from the first album sessions). Surely there will be some recordings of some concerts in the band's archives that we don't know about...a good project could come in my opinion, naturally accompanied by a decent remastering of the albums. Who knows... of course, but that's not what will be released (if anything all) a more likely outcome would see: Disc 1: Queen Disc 2: Queen II Disc 3: BBC Sessions 1-4 Disc 4: Live In Concert Golders Green (Sept 1973) Disc 5: Live At The Rainbow (March 1974) I have to agree with you; this is the policy of Queen Productions Ltd. unfortunately.
As a fan I would like to see us go beyond the usual audio-video releases (Wembley, Bowl, Montreal, Rainbow and Hammersmith) to publish truly unreleased live material...when clips from the Sao Paulo and Mannheim concerts were released in the 'On Air' box set in 2016 I had this hope, but unfortunately it was all in vain. I'll never get tired of saying it, but The Rolling Stones release one or two concerts a year (some only in audio format - example Wembley 1982, released in 2021) and The Beatles continue to release box sets celebrating their albums with really interesting material . By now QPL should have understood that the market has changed and that many fans and collectors are willing to spend money to buy and listen to "new" material...it's true that Queen live are a joy not only for the ears but also for the eyes, but just think of the euphoria that we fans could have in hearing an unreleased concert from the 1977 American tour for example (that isn't Houston).
I don't want to be wrong, but wasn't the news from a few years ago that Brian and Roger found the first concert as Queen at Imperial College in 1970 in the band's archives? Wouldn't this be an opportunity to include this recording (obviously today with AI you can clean it up properly and make it acceptable) in the celebratory box set for 'Queen' and 'Queen II'?
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Post by Leon's Crazy Game on Mar 10, 2024 13:53:07 GMT
Yeah the part about Imperial College is true. If I remember correctly, Justin Shirley-Smith even did some remastering job on the recording but ultimately the release was scrapped because Roger was heavily against it. So even if there was a box set for the first two albums, there is no way that this show will be on it as long as Roger hasn't been talked into letting them release it
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Mar 10, 2024 15:28:48 GMT
I don't want to be wrong, but wasn't the news from a few years ago that Brian and Roger found the first concert as Queen at Imperial College in 1970 in the band's archives? Wouldn't this be an opportunity to include this recording (obviously today with AI you can clean it up properly and make it acceptable) in the celebratory box set for 'Queen' and 'Queen II'? exactly this ^ There's nothing that can't be cleaned up these days. In truth, asking Peter Jackson (nicely) if he could use his MAL software on it would probably result in audio quality as good as some of Queen's official live releases. However, that aside, IC is not being released if Roger's reasons for blocking are based on performance rather than audio quality.
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Post by manymilesaway on Mar 10, 2024 19:09:39 GMT
I don't want to be wrong, but wasn't the news from a few years ago that Brian and Roger found the first concert as Queen at Imperial College in 1970 in the band's archives? Wouldn't this be an opportunity to include this recording (obviously today with AI you can clean it up properly and make it acceptable) in the celebratory box set for 'Queen' and 'Queen II'? exactly this ^ There's nothing that can't be cleaned up these days. In truth, asking Peter Jackson (nicely) if he could use his MAL software on it would probably result in audio quality as good as some of Queen's official live releases. However, that aside, IC is not being released if Roger's reasons for blocking are based on performance rather than audio quality. Brian said that IC actually doesn't sound too bad, and Justin Shirley Smith was already working on cleaning it up. Brian's opinion of what sounds bad compared to the average bootleg fan, is likely VERY different. My personal guess, based on what Brian said and the context of where Queen was at the time, is that it's going to sound close to the De Lane Lea demos in terms of quality. I don't think it will be in stereo though. Brian REALLY wants to get IC out, so we atleast have that huge name campaigning for it. The problem is, yes, Roger. Pretty much all momentum of the IC tape died out when Brian spoke on Roger's behalf about not wanting it out. Personally, if there IS a Queen I/Queen II boxset like Gary Taylor has been talking about, and John Anthony supposedly leaked, I still don't think a release of Imperial College is likely. I'd love to eat my words on that, though.
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Post by sam99 on Mar 10, 2024 22:30:57 GMT
I wonder is the lack of releases given anniversaries etc something to do with the potential sale of the Queen catalogue? Sounds like their deal with Universal must be coming to an end.
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Post by rockingrev on Mar 11, 2024 10:00:44 GMT
You know a lot of the 'denial' of items being approved isn't anything more than petty rivalry between Brian and Roger. There are often instances where it is a legit quality issue, but the majority of the time it's merely one of them over ruling the other because they can. Ridiculous really as it all does is takes things away from the fans.
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Post by manymilesaway on Mar 11, 2024 18:08:36 GMT
You know a lot of the 'denial' of items being approved isn't anything more than petty rivalry between Brian and Roger. There are often instances where it is a legit quality issue, but the majority of the time it's merely one of them over ruling the other because they can. Ridiculous really as it all does is takes things away from the fans. I'd say that's a stretch honestly, I don't think there's any 'game' between Brian and Roger here. I think Roger just simply doesn't want anybody to hear Queen at that state, and there's nothing else to it. Roger and Brian BOTH vetoed the White Christmas Inglewood '77 release due to being dissatisfied with the performance, for example. Seems like the both of them (and John, but he's pretty hands-off and probably doesn't care) would have to turn the keys together to allow anything to come out.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Mar 11, 2024 18:46:14 GMT
You know a lot of the 'denial' of items being approved isn't anything more than petty rivalry between Brian and Roger. There are often instances where it is a legit quality issue, but the majority of the time it's merely one of them over ruling the other because they can. Ridiculous really as it all does is takes things away from the fans. I'd say that's a stretch honestly, I don't think there's any 'game' between Brian and Roger here. I think Roger just simply doesn't want anybody to hear Queen at that state, and there's nothing else to it. Roger and Brian BOTH vetoed the White Christmas Inglewood '77 release due to being dissatisfied with the performance, for example. Seems like the both of them (and John, but he's pretty hands-off and probably doesn't care) would have to turn the keys together to allow anything to come out. I think that's probably true. They don't need the money so there's no real incentive to issue a release where a lot of 'fans' would go, "What's this shit? They sound awful!" I know all of us here want everything they've got, but I guess they have to consider what could be commercially damaging.
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Post by pokemaniacjunk on Mar 12, 2024 21:15:44 GMT
It appears that anniversary celebrations seem to just consist of a shirt and sweatshirt now, those unfortunately seems to be the only items available for the Queen II anniversary on the Queenonline shop.
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Post by jimmydean on Mar 13, 2024 13:35:24 GMT
They don't need the money so there's no real incentive to issue a release where a lot of 'fans' would go, "What's this shit? They sound awful!" I know all of us here want everything they've got, but I guess they have to consider what could be commercially damaging. for example... The Doors. a lot of their recent releases are (not so great) bootleg-grade quality. And the performances are not exactly mind blowing in comparison to what's been previously released.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Mar 13, 2024 19:25:07 GMT
I'd say that's a stretch honestly, I don't think there's any 'game' between Brian and Roger here. I think Roger just simply doesn't want anybody to hear Queen at that state, and there's nothing else to it. Roger and Brian BOTH vetoed the White Christmas Inglewood '77 release due to being dissatisfied with the performance, for example. Seems like the both of them (and John, but he's pretty hands-off and probably doesn't care) would have to turn the keys together to allow anything to come out. I think that's probably true. They don't need the money so there's no real incentive to issue a release where a lot of 'fans' would go, "What's this shit? They sound awful!" I know all of us here want everything they've got, but I guess they have to consider what could be commercially damaging. There's nothing they can do or release that will erase or subtract from their canon or legacy. They're simply perfectionists - nothing more, nothing less. Even when they appear to reveal their process, as on the NOTW and Miracle box sets, most of it is Frankensteined and isn't the actual takes. They are still about the mystique, and want people to see the final product, not the incremental steps as they were. And a live recording from before 1973 is in that same category, and a mono recording from a single mic cannot be altered in any major way. I'll honestly be shocked if they ever release even one song from it.
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Post by Mr Mercury on Mar 13, 2024 22:51:55 GMT
They're simply perfectionists - nothing more, nothing less. Even when they appear to reveal their process, as on the NOTW and Miracle box sets, most of it is Frankensteined and isn't the actual takes. They are still about the mystique, and want people to see the final product, not the incremental steps as they were. And a live recording from before 1973 is in that same category, and a mono recording from a single mic cannot be altered in any major way. I'll honestly be shocked if they ever release even one song from it. I get exactly what you are saying here but you just never know what technology as it is today. I mean if The Beatles can get great sounding proper stereo mixes from those original mono mixes via Peter Jackson's company, then maybe it is possible for Brian and Roger too.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Mar 14, 2024 6:07:14 GMT
I think that's probably true. They don't need the money so there's no real incentive to issue a release where a lot of 'fans' would go, "What's this shit? They sound awful!" I know all of us here want everything they've got, but I guess they have to consider what could be commercially damaging. There's nothing they can do or release that will erase or subtract from their canon or legacy. They're simply perfectionists - nothing more, nothing less. Even when they appear to reveal their process, as on the NOTW and Miracle box sets, most of it is Frankensteined and isn't the actual takes. They are still about the mystique, and want people to see the final product, not the incremental steps as they were. And a live recording from before 1973 is in that same category, and a mono recording from a single mic cannot be altered in any major way. I'll honestly be shocked if they ever release even one song from it. If they sell the rights to some corporation, I'd be shocked if everything that'll make a buck isn't released eventually. It might take some time, though - compare posthumous John Coltrane releases (he died in 1967), an artist who was also notably reticent to release anything he didn't consider perfect.
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