readyeddie
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Post by readyeddie on May 18, 2024 13:07:48 GMT
Whenever I visit the world-famous Cavern Club in Liverpool, I always look at the various bits of memorabilia on the walls, to see if anything has been added since my last visit. I always question the Queen poster that they have on the wall. Annoying enough as it is that the poster is the reversed Queen II image with Roger on the left of the frame instead of the right (LOL), but there is also a plaque below that claims that Queen's show at the Cavern Club was 'their first ever gig'. Does anybody know why they claim this? You don't have to look very far online ( www.queenlive.ca ) to find out that that's simply not true! I do love the anecdote that the late Barry Mitchell gives about this show (taken from queenlive.ca) : Bassist Barry Mitchell recalls how special this show was because it was the same stage The Beatles had famously played on in their early days.
He also recalls how it was pouring rain outside, and how Brian's shoes got soaking wet. Before they went on, Brian put the shoes on an electric fire to dry off, only to find them burning after the gig! Perhaps this may have had something to do with him often wearing clogs in the years to come.
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Post by Ri on May 18, 2024 16:44:29 GMT
Well, word per word the plaque says:
"QUEEN 31st October 1970 Queen played their first ever gig at the Cavern on Halloween 1970. Freddie Mercury had been living in Penny Lane at the time... Fact!"
Did they play there more than once, could they mean their first gig at the Cavern specifically?
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Post by badboybez on May 19, 2024 0:24:57 GMT
Had a really dodgy looking autographed guitar in there - that still there?
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Post by Ri on May 19, 2024 1:40:28 GMT
Had a really dodgy looking autographed guitar in there - that still there? Yup... agree with it dodgy looking lol
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Post by DotNickCore on May 20, 2024 1:38:51 GMT
I'm going to Liverpool next month, I'm still keen to check it out though
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Post by pg on May 20, 2024 12:35:42 GMT
Well, word per word the plaque says: "QUEEN 31st October 1970 Queen played their first ever gig at the Cavern on Halloween 1970. Freddie Mercury had been living in Penny Lane at the time... Fact!" Did they play there more than once, could they mean their first gig at the Cavern specifically? Ah, so we're into "Eats Shoots and Leaves" territory. My recollection (never reliable, not sure why I even bother!) is that they only played there once, in which case either - The Cavern aren't aware of that and the sentence means "their first Cavern gig" - The Cavern ARE aware, and truly believe that Queen's first performance as Queen was within their walls. In fairness, even if it IS the latter, it may well be that there was a genuine belief when the plaque was put up - we're still finding out information about those times, and the "Queen in Cornwall" book was only written in 2011. They've probably taken Rolf Harris' plaque down, but minor corrections (and as far as 99% of the population are concerned, this would be a minor correction) would not have them rewriting all the text. Plus, never stand between a scouser and their self-mythologising.....
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Post by thesirhc on Jun 9, 2024 19:07:57 GMT
Maybe they're counting on Queen returning someday (one day) and had the forethought to inscribe the plaque this way to avoid the alteration cost in the future. Soon it will be correct!
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Post by dave76 on Jun 21, 2024 15:27:32 GMT
As far as i know and as stated on the great Queen Live website their first ever concert was on the 27th of june 1970 in Truro. So next week it will be 54 years ago that Queen played there. More info says that Mike Grose was the bassplayer and they were billed as Smile. How i would kill to hear that but i doubt we will never hear it.
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Post by mrscully on Jul 9, 2024 21:11:48 GMT
Had a really dodgy looking autographed guitar in there - that still there? Queen have never ever signed any guitar (there's no guitar with all four genuine signatures) BUT I saw a very small pic of an autographed guitar hanging on the wall of some Liverpool venue (possibly Cavern) and the small pic actually looked relatively acceptable. Does anybody have a good image of that?
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Post by scandal on Jul 9, 2024 21:49:13 GMT
Had a really dodgy looking autographed guitar in there - that still there? Queen have never ever signed any guitar (there's no guitar with all four genuine signatures) BUT I saw a very small pic of an autographed guitar hanging on the wall of some Liverpool venue (possibly Cavern) and the small pic actually looked relatively acceptable. Does anybody have a good image of that? Do you mean this guitar? ![](https://crazyonclassicrock.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/img_8277-min.jpg)
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Post by pg on Jul 11, 2024 18:53:07 GMT
The smudges are a very nice touch if that's fake....
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Post by mrscully on Jul 16, 2024 7:16:22 GMT
Yes, this is the one that I meant.
John is definitely genuine and the best of all four. Most likely the only genuine one. The rest all look "good" but I have big doubts because of the thickness of the marker and the obvious slowness of the signing. Brian and Roger look "acceptable". Freddie's is by far the worst of the four. This type of Freddie's signature could be genuine on a record, it's similar to the very ugly style that he used for about one year in the 80's but in this case I think somebody just used a possibly genuine/rushed signature on an LP and simply signed the guitar himself slowly imitating Freddie's handwriting. As pg says, the smudges most likely means there are one, two or three fakes on this guitar. But good ones.
So my previous statement most likely stays - Freddie has really never signed any guitar. (There was one signed guitar auctioned at the UK Convention a couple years ago and that was the ugliest fake I have ever seen, signed almost certainly in late 90's or early 00's as I remember that type from ebay).
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Post by thesirhc on Jul 17, 2024 1:21:22 GMT
What is under John's signature? It looks a little like "1991".
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Post by dragonkiller on Jul 17, 2024 11:36:44 GMT
What is under John's signature? It looks a little like "1991". I enlarged the photo and rotated it. It could be 91 or 95 as the last number looks curved, so both are viable options. The other "signatures" look awful when enlarged as well!
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