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Post by caius on Aug 20, 2024 21:40:10 GMT
Tonight I watched the whole Rock Montreal live. It was the first time in years.
It may have been found and revealed and discussed before, but I can't remember now: jump to 'Keep Yourself Alive' and let the intro go.
Then take a careful listen at minute 00:49 and you can clearly hear a snippet of 'You Don't Fool Me'. Obviuosly, it could have happened by chance, since it's Freddie vocalizing and playing around. But nobody knows. I've read somewhere (not a reliable source?) that 'You Don't Fool Me' was started long before 1991, long before the very last sessions with Freddie in studio.
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Post by lumi on Aug 20, 2024 22:29:36 GMT
The "Ba ba bah bah da da da dah dah" part? I never even noticed it, but yeah, it's very close to the scatting Freddie does on YDFM.
And isn't YDFM a hodge-podge of pieces of vocals that was assembled by David Richards and then presented to the band for them to build an instrumental around it? I have always felt like that particular piece of scatting in YDFM was recorded earlier than the rest of the vocals: the parts with actual lyrics have that "recorded-after-Innuendo" thin quality to them, whereas Freddie's voice in the scatting part is closer to his 80s voice. Given the Montreal bit is so similar I think it might be plausible it originated in the early 80s.
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Post by daul on Aug 20, 2024 22:36:45 GMT
I can hear exactly which part you mean
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Post by vh on Aug 20, 2024 22:56:07 GMT
Tonight I've watched the whole Rock Montreal live. It was the first time in years.
It may have been found and revealed and discussed before, but I can't remember now: jump to 'Keep Yourself Alive' and let the intro go.
Then take a careful listen at minute 00:49 and you can clearly hear a snippet of 'You Don't Fool Me'. Obviuosly, it could have happened by chance, since it's Freddie vocalizing and playing around. But nobody knows. I've read somewhere (not a reliable source?) that 'You Don't Fool Me' was started long before 1991, long before the very last sessions with Freddie in studio.
What do you guys think? I have a feeling that it could have been a soundcheck jam part of which made it to the gig and was played in Montreal during the shows. It certainly has a similar rhythm to You Don’t Fool Me. It’s John who seems to lead the band into that section. At a guess it maybe a song that didn’t make it into The Game or something that was taking shape for Hot Space at the time didn’t get used then got pulled off a self for Made In Heaven. On the other hand it could be neither of these and just be a coincidental musical idea that sounds similar. |
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Post by angusscrimm on Aug 21, 2024 1:41:32 GMT
For something that last a few seconds and is only a little close, I think it might just be coincidental.
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Post by vicspec on Aug 21, 2024 1:43:39 GMT
It does sound like YDFM. It also sounds like "Back Chat" which they would have been working on at the time. I remember reading somewhere that BC was originally titled "Sex Show" which is what Freddie says at the end of the riff just before they go into KYA proper.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 21, 2024 2:06:25 GMT
It's just something that was stylistically in him, in this case an improvised descending scale. I remember people thinking they heard Brian May playing part of Khashoggi's Ship in his solo spot in Houston '77. All the greats have their trademark things they do, but these connections are usually tenuous at best, and not direct connections to songs they'd come up with a decade later.
Jimmy Page expanded the "San Francisco" section of the live Dazed and Confused into Achilles Last Stand - a very specific four bar riff. This is definitely not that.
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Post by manymilesaway on Aug 21, 2024 7:10:53 GMT
All the greats have their trademark things they do, but these connections are usually tenuous at best, and not direct connections to songs they'd come up with a decade later. Would like to take this opportunity to point this one in particular out. (16:56) Some people insist that this fiddling from Brian evolved into the Bohemian Rhapsody solo... But he's clearly just playing around with the entrance back into Keep Yourself Alive after the drum solo. I don't know how so many people make this mistake, personally it doesn't sound anything like Bohemian Rhapsody to me- and you'd think that most people listening to a bootleg soundcheck would be familiar with Keep Yourself Alive of all songs... |
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Post by caius on Aug 21, 2024 8:30:41 GMT
The "Ba ba bah bah da da da dah dah" part? I never even noticed it, but yeah, it's very close to the scatting Freddie does on YDFM. And isn't YDFM a hodge-podge of pieces of vocals that was assembled by David Richards and then presented to the band for them to build an instrumental around it? I have always felt like that particular piece of scatting in YDFM was recorded earlier than the rest of the vocals: the parts with actual lyrics have that "recorded-after-Innuendo" thin quality to them, whereas Freddie's voice in the scatting part is closer to his 80s voice. Given the Montreal bit is so similar I think it might be plausible it originated in the early 80s. I just played YDFM once again and I definitely agree with you. The scat part (which resembles Montreal, as I pointed out) that comes after "mama said be cool, don't you be no fool..." seems to origin from another take of another period. Freddie's voice, there, is stronger and more 'round' than the rest of the song: an 80-85 vocal range, not the 'thin' 90s one. The quest goes on. |
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Post by Dimitris on Aug 21, 2024 8:35:56 GMT
Over the years the only thing Ifound, just a minor sound connection of Keep your self alive studio with You don't fool me.
That is when the solo get in, the background happy rythm guitars.
But not live.
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Post by masterstroke on Aug 21, 2024 9:12:05 GMT
00:13 to 00:32 Form me its back Chat.  |
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Post by lefthandedguitarist on Aug 21, 2024 12:57:13 GMT
Yeah, it's Back Chat (which the band would have been working on at this point).
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 21, 2024 14:59:07 GMT
All the greats have their trademark things they do, but these connections are usually tenuous at best, and not direct connections to songs they'd come up with a decade later. Would like to take this opportunity to point this one in particular out. (16:56) Some people insist that this fiddling from Brian evolved into the Bohemian Rhapsody solo... But he's clearly just playing around with the entrance back into Keep Yourself Alive after the drum solo. I don't know how so many people make this mistake, personally it doesn't sound anything like Bohemian Rhapsody to me- and you'd think that most people listening to a bootleg soundcheck would be familiar with Keep Yourself Alive of all songs... Correct. Zero resemblance to BoRhap. It was Freddie's melody that inspired that solo in 1975. |
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Post by jimmydean on Aug 24, 2024 7:31:10 GMT
Yeah, it's Back Chat (which the band would have been working on at this point). Back chat and YDFM have similar basslines - but I agree BC is likely what John was fiddling around with here. Maybe the vocal we hear on YDFM is an earlier demo of what BC became. Funny - I've heard and watched this show, and also have purchased this show (CD, VHS, DVD, DVD, Blu-Ray, !!!) a number of times... and I never picked up on this! Now I can't unhear it. |
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Post by newvillefan on Sept 22, 2024 8:54:17 GMT
The other interesting thing about 'You Don't Fool Me' is that the opening 'ahhhs' are sampled from the backing vocals from 'A Winter's Tale' that you hear right at the end of that track at 3m33s. youtu.be/ApMkhc_KoHE?t=213&feature=shared |
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Post by Mr Prime Jive on Sept 24, 2024 9:59:34 GMT
The other interesting thing about 'You Don't Fool Me' is that the opening 'ahhhs' are sampled from the backing vocals from 'A Winter's Tale' that you hear right at the end of that track at 3m33s. youtu.be/ApMkhc_KoHE?t=213&feature=shared...Or is it the other way around? |
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Post by caius on Sept 26, 2024 21:20:25 GMT
Good point! Never spotted this.
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