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Post by snakecharmer on Sept 24, 2024 11:43:05 GMT
This thread about the "Queen 1 Box Set 2024" has gone from being , yeah it's going to be great and sound fantastic. With Brian himself saying it's how we always wanted to Album to sound . Now we have posts saying they should not have remixed , pitch controlled the Album. "You can't have your cake and eat it ". Would fan's have just been happy with just a remastered box set. Band's for years have used the studio to do thing's with the sound effects that were at their disposal and vocals have always been made to sound so much better than they actually were . Just one more thing about box sets not just Queens they are normally rather expensive and I find that I play the discs a couple of times and then put it in your collection to keep it in good condition. A few years ago I purchased a 4 disc "Fleetwood Mac" release called the "Chain 25 Years". It included a lot of hit's and fan's favourite's , but also a lot of unreleased stuff. It cost me around £20 at the time. It would be great if "Sony" got something like this together for "Queen".
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 24, 2024 12:10:31 GMT
This thread about the "Queen 1 Box Set 2024" has gone from being , yeah it's going to be great and sound fantastic. With Brian himself saying it's how we always wanted to Album to sound . Now we have posts saying they should not have remixed , pitch controlled the Album. "You can't have your cake and eat it ". Would fan's have just been happy with just a remastered box set. Band's for years have used the studio to do thing's with the sound effects that were at their disposal and vocals have always been made to sound so much better than they actually were . Just one more thing about box sets not just Queens they are normally rather expensive and I find that I play the discs a couple of times and then put it in your collection to keep it in good condition. I think the argument here is that they've fiddled with things they didn't need to fiddle with, and to some ears, have actually made the vocal sound worse. Personally, I find it very difficult to discern any of this pitch correction, so I'll just be enjoying the revamped overall sound, rather than trying to pick out anomalies. It's not as if they've made Freddie sound like Cher singing Believe.
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Sept 24, 2024 12:36:18 GMT
I just cant listen to autotune. Makes me sick. Reason i dont listen to the radio anymore. No wonder Brian had a stroke. Autotuning Freddie. The most beautifull voice in the world. Be prepared for the new My Fairy King. Its gonna be awfull. I truly truly fear for what they might do to that track... autotune and pitch-correction on all those beautiful harmonies and counterpoint....
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Post by pennyroyalty on Sept 24, 2024 14:31:03 GMT
Just to be clear, I'm glad we're going to hear the stuff they're putting out. Initially, I also thought it was going to be fantastic, with the track listing and all. Now Brian's statement that this is how they always wanted the album to sound are to me a rehash of his "Freddie would have loved it" quote. I know I moan and groan a lot, but I am beyond frustrated. We're finally beginning to get the mythical box sets we've been wating for for years and it suddenly appears as if they had been waiting for new technology to appear which they could gladly use to dehumanize the organic sound of an actual person singing (even if it's not to the same extent as in Cher's case). Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with the idea of a remix. We've known the original mixes for years and it's not that they are suddenly going to become unavailable, so this might have been actually refreshing. (For all I know, it still might be in some part, at least judging by the snippets in the 'unboxing' video.) I understand that resorting to pitch correction may have been motivated by a genuine desire to releasing a perfect product. It's therefore likely that if it weren't for that technology, we would not be getting anything. But the "perfect product" argument is double edged. If the decision makers responsible are the quality control freaks they seem to be, why do they not ensure some quality control over the process of making improvements? Any person working in a professional studio should be able to detect the pitch-correction effect and say at some point "Guys, let's stop before we overdo it" or better "Let's try something else". Of course, it's always possible that the way TNCD sounds was intentional, but that atrocious AI video makes me think that it's more likely that there are some VIPs within the Queen camp who tend to get carried away with new inventions and nobody around has the guts to tell them to stop. This reminds me of how the 30th anniversary of Nirvana's "In Utero" was "celebrated" last year with a box set containing a bunch of live recordings. The original multitracks were unavailable, so individual instrument and vocal tracks were separated using some shitty AI to create quasi-multitracks ready for mixing even though superior algorithms were already available. The result is spinkled with nasty AI artifacts throughout, with instrument parts occasionally completely indiscernible. Are we ready for this kind of treatment? I mean they're walking a fine line here. That being said, I would still love to buy the full set, but the pricing is killing me. If I were to preorder at the official site, it would cost me more than one tenth of my monthly salary and with a mortgage and a family I can't afford that. So unless there's a nice discount at some point on Amazon or elsewhere, I'm afraid I'll stick to the double CD version. OK. I'll shut up now. Those of you who don't care, which is perfectly all right, I hope you'll enjoy every minute of the new mix. For my part, I'll particularly cherish the Queen I Sessions CD (amazing tracklist!), even though I'll never know the extent to which the recordings have been "reimagined".
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Post by merplot on Sept 24, 2024 21:29:09 GMT
This thread about the "Queen 1 Box Set 2024" has gone from being , yeah it's going to be great and sound fantastic. With Brian himself saying it's how we always wanted to Album to sound . Now we have posts saying they should not have remixed , pitch controlled the Album. "You can't have your cake and eat it ". Would fan's have just been happy with just a remastered box set. Band's for years have used the studio to do thing's with the sound effects that were at their disposal and vocals have always been made to sound so much better than they actually were . Just one more thing about box sets not just Queens they are normally rather expensive and I find that I play the discs a couple of times and then put it in your collection to keep it in good condition. I think the argument here is that they've fiddled with things they didn't need to fiddle with, and to some ears, have actually made the vocal sound worse. Personally, I find it very difficult to discern any of this pitch correction, so I'll just be enjoying the revamped overall sound, rather than trying to pick out anomalies. It's not as if they've made Freddie sound like Cher singing Believe. Boy howdy, I wish I had your ears! Also, I think it's important to point out that most people who have been complaining about the pitch correction (myself included) are still somewhat excited about the release.
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Post by macduff77 on Sept 24, 2024 21:40:07 GMT
I might be in the minority here, but I'm not bothered with any autotune or pitch correction. I'm embracing this new 2024 mix as exactly that - a new mix and a new experience. I still have all my other releases to fall back on if I determine I don't like the new mix.
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Post by zephead2112 on Sept 24, 2024 21:42:30 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned already; for those that like their Japanese SHM-CD releases, the SDE box set is available from CDJapan and it includes the CDs in that format (plus a typical bonus in the form of a B2 poster). N.B. They note that the vinyl has been pressed outside of Japan. I have a few SHM-CDs and I'm still not convinced that they sound any better but I've always been a sucker for Japanese Queen releases. Reminds me of being a teenager in the early 80's and waiting literally months for the albums/singles I ordered to arrive in the post...if at all, as was sometimes the case!
Can you imagine? No tracking info or e-mail shipping notifications. We were waiting for the postman to walk up the path and 'deliver the goods' every SINGLE ******* day. For weeks and months. Torture! And then having to go off to school in total disappointment and endure mind numbingly boring maths classes et al. Then repeat the following day ad infintitum, and the day after that, and the day after that. You get the picture. That said, it only served to increase the passion/obsession. I vividly remember saying to my mates, "Mark Fisher (a cool long-haired guy that was a couple of years older than us) is going to sell me his copy (vinyl) of Queen II tomorrow. The deal was done in a shady alcove outside the sports hall and I walked away with it under my arm. UK 1st press which I still have.
We'd heard the music already but those Japanese releases had a tangible mystique to them. It was almost as if the band (especially Freddie) had touched them in person, way back in the mists of time.
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Post by airpodsmax on Sept 24, 2024 21:45:09 GMT
Please remind me, was the box set of the Miracle Album on autotune? I don't remember such squirts about this . And then press release new box set and single and ….. All 20 pages about autotune. Guys, old fashioned sound of Queen album from 1973 still there. I imagine a situation where Brian or Roger or someone who did the remastering sits incognito on the forum and reads our complaints and tears their hair out and caviar won't go down their throats. They suddenly realized that we don't like autotune and quit their favorite jobs at once
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Post by snakecharmer on Sept 24, 2024 22:51:45 GMT
I think we need to keep our powder dry until this "Queen 1 2024 Box Set" is released and played through some good sound systems with bass/treble ,graphic equalizer set at the right levels and then push it through your speakers/headphones and then I think it will sound pretty amazing. I do think the price is not correct Amazon £182 for the box set & £40 for two discs. Mind you when I brought Roger's "The Lot" that was around £180 back then.
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Post by thesirhc on Sept 24, 2024 23:54:23 GMT
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Post by donovan on Sept 25, 2024 0:38:34 GMT
Regarding Amazon (Canada), my recollection from preordering expensive graphic novels I've worked on is that 1. The initial list price is always high. Always. 2. The price usually comes down to match other places close to release date 3. The credit card isn't charged until release date. Is there reason to assume the above three points won't hold for this box set? Edit: The Pre-order Price Guarantee
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Post by peacelovingguy on Sept 25, 2024 1:19:25 GMT
Which leads to the question as to why they did it? According to the video analasys, Freddie's vocal was almost perfect, but they must have had their reasons for putting it through the process. Don't ask me, cause I don't know. I can only assume they wanted it to sound "current". However, judging from replies here, for people who don't mind autotune these new vocals are not much different from older vocals, yet for people who care - this is quite detrimental. So overall the producers have gained nothing and yet aliented a part of fanbase, so a very dubious decision. I agree. People always seem to fall in to two camps based on their aural sensibilities. Those who immediately hear pitch correction like a piercing dog whistle ruining the music and those that don’t notice it or don’t care. There is never a third group that state “I really disliked Freddie’s vocal on the Night Comes Down. I’m so glad Queen Productions have finally given me a more enjoyable listening experience.”
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Post by mattzarella on Sept 25, 2024 1:43:47 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned already; for those that like their Japanese SHM-CD releases, the SDE box set is available from CDJapan and it includes the CDs in that format (plus a typical bonus in the form of a B2 poster). N.B. They note that the vinyl has been pressed outside of Japan. I have a few SHM-CDs and I'm still not convinced that they sound any better but I've always been a sucker for Japanese Queen releases. Reminds me of being a teenager in the early 80's and waiting literally months for the albums/singles I ordered to arrive in the post...if at all, as was sometimes the case! Can you imagine? No tracking info or e-mail shipping notifications. We were waiting for the postman to walk up the path and 'deliver the goods' every SINGLE ******* day. For weeks and months. Torture! And then having to go off to school in total disappointment and endure mind numbingly boring maths classes et al. Then repeat the following day ad infintitum, and the day after that, and the day after that. You get the picture. That said, it only served to increase the passion/obsession. I vividly remember saying to my mates, "Mark Fisher (a cool long-haired guy that was a couple of years older than us) is going to sell me his copy (vinyl) of Queen II tomorrow. The deal was done in a shady alcove outside the sports hall and I walked away with it under my arm. UK 1st press which I still have. We'd heard the music already but those Japanese releases had a tangible mystique to them. It was almost as if the band (especially Freddie) had touched them in person, way back in the mists of time. Quit complaining, compared to the entrenched violence showing and seams breaking around... the crazed speed of everything now.. you know that time was precious. 🤣🤣🤣 I'd take it anyday. It's like that song "Beyond the Realms Of Death" (coincidentally they have a remix debut coming up).... a guy so fed up and withdrawn that he huddled into his own mind and "slammed the door" But yes, I share that history. It was a hot when things arrived. I got ripped off once though by an international seller from the Uk On eBay who never sent my MAGIC TOUR t shirt... (I ordered around 1999)
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Post by pennyroyalty on Sept 25, 2024 8:28:48 GMT
Please remind me, was the box set of the Miracle Album on autotune? I don't remember such squirts about this . And then press release new box set and single and ….. All 20 pages about autotune. Guys, old fashioned sound of Queen album from 1973 still there. I imagine a situation where Brian or Roger or someone who did the remastering sits incognito on the forum and reads our complaints and tears their hair out and caviar won't go down their throats. They suddenly realized that we don't like autotune and quit their favorite jobs at once "Face It Alone" has obvious pitch correction to the point I can't listen to it. I don't remember any noticeable changes in the remaining songs, although I haven't listened to them in a while. It got me thinking: maybe they only use pitch correction on those songs that they release as singles.
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Post by wijnand on Sept 25, 2024 9:27:04 GMT
I might be in the minority here, but I'm not bothered with any autotune or pitch correction. I'm embracing this new 2024 mix as exactly that - a new mix and a new experience. I still have all my other releases to fall back on if I determine I don't like the new mix. Exactly this!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 25, 2024 10:36:07 GMT
re: pitch correction/autotune etc:
a little perspective folks: 1] we're hearing stuff we may never have heard. at all. ever. let's embrace it. 2] if you don't like the corrections on the new mixes, then go and buy an earlier mix. simple.
sure, there's plenty of extremely valid QPL things we can moan about, quality of a mix/sound etc, but to be able to hear old Freddie tunes (with vocal tweaks hear and there) versus NOT hearing them at all is a no-brainer folks.
moaning like f*ck about stuff is pointless in this respect. you choice is hear it as issued in 2024, or don't.
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Post by onedunpark on Sept 25, 2024 10:48:55 GMT
re: pitch correction/autotune etc: a little perspective folks: 1] we're hearing stuff we may never have heard. at all. ever. let's embrace it. 2] if you don't like the corrections on the new mixes, then go and buy an earlier mix. simple. sure, there's plenty of extremely valid QPL things we can moan about, quality of a mix/sound etc, but to be able to hear old Freddie tunes (with vocal tweaks hear and there) versus NOT hearing them at all is a no-brainer folks. moaning like f*ck about stuff is pointless in this respect. you choice is hear it as issued in 2024, or don't. Absolutely agree with this, with Miles' proposed reversion of some elements of the new mix as a likely middle-ground. I haven't posted much on this, but I personally can't wait to hear the new stuff on this release, setting all the quibbles about autotune, etc aside. We'd never have dreamt a year ago that we'd have heard some of this stuff. I'm certainly an excited wee boy for it. Fortunately, I am one of the (perhaps older) generation who for the most part can't hear autotune until it is pointed out to me. Ignorance truly is bliss!! 🤣🤣
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Post by dragonkiller on Sept 25, 2024 11:23:35 GMT
re: pitch correction/autotune etc: a little perspective folks: 1] we're hearing stuff we may never have heard. at all. ever. let's embrace it. 2] if you don't like the corrections on the new mixes, then go and buy an earlier mix. simple. sure, there's plenty of extremely valid QPL things we can moan about, quality of a mix/sound etc, but to be able to hear old Freddie tunes (with vocal tweaks hear and there) versus NOT hearing them at all is a no-brainer folks. moaning like f*ck about stuff is pointless in this respect. you choice is hear it as issued in 2024, or don't. Absolutely agree with this, with Miles' proposed reversion of some elements of the new mix as a likely middle-ground. I haven't posted much on this, but I personally can't wait to hear the new stuff on this release, setting all the quibbles about autotune, etc aside. We'd never have dreamt a year ago that we'd have heard some of this stuff. I'm certainly an excited wee boy for it. Fortunately, I am one of the (perhaps older) generation who for the most part can't hear autotune until it is pointed out to me. Ignorance truly is bliss!! 🤣🤣 I am in the same position as this. I have read the posts on here and cannot believe some of the things posted. I am just happy to have a new release of some unreleased material, and would not hear any slight autotune, unless it was pointed out. I am still waiting for JD vocal guide for BoRap, people would still complain "IF" it happened.😁
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 25, 2024 11:42:37 GMT
Fortunately, I am one of the (perhaps older) generation who for the most part can't hear autotune until it is pointed out to me. Ignorance truly is bliss!! 🤣🤣 and whatever level of autotune is applied, it won't be as extreme as Ian' Gillain's vocals on recent DP releases - now that really is something to complain about.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 25, 2024 11:58:26 GMT
Fortunately, I am one of the (perhaps older) generation who for the most part can't hear autotune until it is pointed out to me. Ignorance truly is bliss!! 🤣🤣 and whatever level of autotune is applied, it won't be as extreme as Ian' Gillain's vocals on recent DP releases - now that really is something to complain about. I can't even hear that! 🤣🤣 I think the new DP album is pretty good, aside from it's hideously loud mastering.
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Sept 25, 2024 12:28:22 GMT
Fortunately, I am one of the (perhaps older) generation who for the most part can't hear autotune until it is pointed out to me. Ignorance truly is bliss!! 🤣🤣 and whatever level of autotune is applied, it won't be as extreme as Ian' Gillain's vocals on recent DP releases - now that really is something to complain about. I agree about the obvious decision when one is faced with the choice between hearing Freddie's vocals and not hearing them at all. On the other hand, do you remember how much doctored is the line "waiting to hear the SOUND" on the live version of The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke ? All that boasting about releasing unheard gem and then you get to hear a line which can be barely recognized as Freddie's voice. These guys at QPL just have to understand where is the line that should not be crossed...
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 25, 2024 12:33:15 GMT
and whatever level of autotune is applied, it won't be as extreme as Ian' Gillain's vocals on recent DP releases - now that really is something to complain about. I can't even hear that! 🤣🤣 I think the new DP album is pretty good, aside from it's hideously loud mastering. I was referring to Now What?! and Infinite
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 25, 2024 12:53:53 GMT
I can't even hear that! 🤣🤣 I think the new DP album is pretty good, aside from it's hideously loud mastering. I was referring to Now What?! and InfiniteAh, right. Wasn't really all that keen on those, so probably didn't pay much attention.
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Post by katby on Sept 25, 2024 13:09:46 GMT
a little perspective folks: we're hearing stuff we may never have heard. at all. ever. let's embrace it. This positive outlook explains why you love Hot Space so much.
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Post by pg on Sept 25, 2024 13:27:01 GMT
a little perspective folks: we're hearing stuff we may never have heard. at all. ever. let's embrace it. This positive outlook explains why you love Hot Space so much. Saucer of milk?
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Post by katby on Sept 25, 2024 13:36:56 GMT
This positive outlook explains why you love Hot Space so much. Saucer of milk? I'm trying to give it up.
(In case it wasn't clear, my comment was intended as a joke. Knowing how much Brenski hates Hot Space, I saw the opportunity to take something out of context to suggest a deep love of Hot Space. I wasn't trying to make a point.)
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Post by airpodsmax on Sept 25, 2024 14:59:03 GMT
I wonder what Freddie would say about modern trends and autotune?
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 25, 2024 15:50:40 GMT
and whatever level of autotune is applied, it won't be as extreme as Ian' Gillain's vocals on recent DP releases - now that really is something to complain about. I agree about the obvious decision when one is faced with the choice between hearing Freddie's vocals and not hearing them at all. On the other hand, do you remember how much doctored is the line "waiting to hear the SOUND" on the live version of The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke ? All that boasting about releasing unheard gem and then you get to hear a line which can be barely recognized as Freddie's voice. These guys at QPL just have to understand where is the line that should not be crossed... yes, but again: if it hadn't been "doctored" at all, then we'd have never heard it at all. context is everything. you can't have one without the other - it's not our decision. folk need to make up their minds: either you want to hear stuff (with some tweaks) - or you want to hear NOTHING - other than Greatest Hits reissues.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 25, 2024 15:57:19 GMT
a little perspective folks: we're hearing stuff we may never have heard. at all. ever. let's embrace it. This positive outlook explains why you love Hot Space so much. there's a chasm of difference between hearing priceless rare recordings, and HS. if you're happy with HS over these new discoveries, then all power to you. i wish i could be satisfied with the HS level of quality. I can't. Because my formative nusic years were spent listening to those first 7 LPs during the halcyon times that were 4 years prior to the release of Hot Space. imagine if you had someone over to install a new kitchen and bathroom in your house while you're away and when you return they tell you "we've tried a few new things" 1. Oven is now in the bath 2. toilet is right next to the food prep area 3. shower is outside on the front porch 4. all the cupboards are upside down i bet you'd be delighted with that too. me? no. that ^ to my ears) is HS in a nutshell
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 25, 2024 16:12:49 GMT
I agree about the obvious decision when one is faced with the choice between hearing Freddie's vocals and not hearing them at all. On the other hand, do you remember how much doctored is the line "waiting to hear the SOUND" on the live version of The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke ? All that boasting about releasing unheard gem and then you get to hear a line which can be barely recognized as Freddie's voice. These guys at QPL just have to understand where is the line that should not be crossed... yes, but again: if it hadn't been "doctored" at all, then we'd have never heard it at all. context is everything. you can't have one without the other - it's not our decision. folk need to make up their minds: either you want to hear stuff (with some tweaks) - or you want to hear NOTHING - other than Greatest Hits reissues. Couldn't agree more, and I've said this before. Surely it's better to have stuff that's been tweaked so that the band are happy to release it, than not have it at all? I know people will say, "Well, why can't we have the releases without the tweaks?", but that just doesn't seem to be their policy and we will have to learn to live with it, or just not buy the stuff, and if we don't buy the stuff, the releases will probably dry up. This is treasure. It may have been polished, but it's still treasure. 🙂
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