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Post by pg on Oct 7, 2024 7:12:22 GMT
That's extremely disappointing. For a lot of people, this will be a dealbreaker, as the book in a box set is the right place to publish such things. Are they trying to lose buyers ? It's priced like a deluxe, premium, thorough, even complete product. And yet.... |
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Post by Chopin1995 on Oct 7, 2024 17:01:02 GMT
the book sounds like it is another book of photos with very lttle text, so again, nothing like the tome's that come with the Beatles Boxsets. Apparantly everything that was written for the book was removed, but will appear somewhere - most likely online I reckon. Such a shame. I bet xxxx would have loved for his work to be in printed format. I know I would. That's extremely disappointing. For a lot of people, this will be a dealbreaker, as the book in a box set is the right place to publish such things. Are they trying to lose buyers ? It might be for me... |
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 7, 2024 17:26:50 GMT
Probably a dumb question, but wouldn’t it be possible to reverse engineer the “autotuned” vocals back to the original pitch by isolating the line itself? Rather than just copy and pasting the original vocal track? Considering that we have an extensive collection of the remixed material coming out, would it be that difficult? Just curious No, not possible. Pitch correction is a destructive process, and leaves artifacts. Plus- it'd be impossible to manually pick out every single multitrack harmony and "untune" them without the project file for the remix. |
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Post by welshfan on Oct 7, 2024 18:42:41 GMT
I wont be buying an auto tuned box set for 200 plus quid, i ll get it on torrent or listen on YouTube, the band has fleased me out of enough money over the years
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Post by Leon's Crazy Game on Oct 7, 2024 19:04:10 GMT
Have you bought any release / box set since Rock Montreal in 2007? Cause boy do I have some news for you then...
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 7, 2024 19:26:30 GMT
Have you bought any release / box set since Rock Montreal in 2007? Cause boy do I have some news for you then... Actually, the earliest use of pitch correction is on the 5.1 mix of A Night At The Opera, where Brian retuned some of the guitars in BoRhap. First on Freddie's voice was Live At The Bowl in 2004. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 7, 2024 19:42:36 GMT
Have you bought any release / box set since Rock Montreal in 2007? Cause boy do I have some news for you then... Actually, the earliest use of pitch correction is on the 5.1 mix of A Night At The Opera, where Brian retuned some of the guitars in BoRhap. First on Freddie's voice was Live At The Bowl in 2004. You mean on Fat Bottomed Girls ? Wasn't that just an overdub, like on Live Killers (and virtually every live album ever) ? |
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 7, 2024 20:51:12 GMT
I wont be buying an auto tuned box set for 200 plus quid, i ll get it on torrent or listen on YouTube, the band has fleased me out of enough money over the years Ok! Brian and Roger won't sleep at night now because you didn't buy the box.Is torrent legal in your country? |
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Post by creepy on Oct 7, 2024 21:36:09 GMT
I wont be buying an auto tuned box set for 200 plus quid, i ll get it on torrent or listen on YouTube, the band has fleased me out of enough money over the years I don't think it's the most correct thing to say that the band "has stolen" your money because we all know in advance what we are going to buy. I ask you, would you buy the box if autotune had not been used? or neither? The price of the box seems expensive to me but it is less than the 200 pounds you say (in my case, it is less than 200 euros). |
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Post by welshfan on Oct 7, 2024 21:54:44 GMT
I wont be buying an auto tuned box set for 200 plus quid, i ll get it on torrent or listen on YouTube, the band has fleased me out of enough money over the years Ok! Brian and Roger won't sleep at night now because you didn't buy the box.Is torrent legal in your country? Never used napster back in the day? |
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 7, 2024 21:59:09 GMT
Ok! Brian and Roger won't sleep at night now because you didn't buy the box.Is torrent legal in your country? Never used napster back in the day? What is left of your dream? just a words on your stone The man who won’t buy the box Then forget what he said |
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 7, 2024 22:03:46 GMT
Ok! Brian and Roger won't sleep at night now because you didn't buy the box.Is torrent legal in your country? Never used napster back in the day? Do you promise not to buy a box set or is it an ordinary blah blah blah so that we can convince you to buy? You won't make Brian and Roger poor by not buying a box set. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 7, 2024 22:05:50 GMT
I wont be buying an auto tuned box set for 200 plus quid, i ll get it on torrent or listen on YouTube, the band has fleased me out of enough money over the years Ok! Brian and Roger won't sleep at night now because you didn't buy the box. Is torrent legal in your country?FWIW, torrent software itself is not illegal, and it's not up to us to police how people use their personal devices outside of this forum. |
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Post by vh on Oct 7, 2024 22:08:59 GMT
That's extremely disappointing. For a lot of people, this will be a dealbreaker, as the book in a box set is the right place to publish such things. Are they trying to lose buyers ? It's priced like a deluxe, premium, thorough, even complete product. And yet.... They haven’t included the book because they couldn’t find a way to auto tune it! |
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Post by angusscrimm on Oct 7, 2024 23:30:26 GMT
Probably a dumb question, but wouldn’t it be possible to reverse engineer the “autotuned” vocals back to the original pitch by isolating the line itself? Rather than just copy and pasting the original vocal track? Considering that we have an extensive collection of the remixed material coming out, would it be that difficult? Just curious No, not possible. Pitch correction is a destructive process, and leaves artifacts. Plus- it'd be impossible to manually pick out every single multitrack harmony and "untune" them without the project file for the remix. I'm guessing from this, you've tried before? I have no knowledge or experience in this area, but the question posed made me think. If you're saying it's a no (because I know the stuff you're capable of) then it's a no? Period? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 7, 2024 23:44:31 GMT
No, not possible. Pitch correction is a destructive process, and leaves artifacts. Plus- it'd be impossible to manually pick out every single multitrack harmony and "untune" them without the project file for the remix. I'm guessing from this, you've tried before? I have no knowledge or experience in this area, but the question posed made me think. If you're saying it's a no (because I know the stuff you're capable of) then it's a no? Period? As with anything, "no" could mean "not yet," as the march of progress continues onward. But there are some things where simply is no undo button, and autotune is one of them. It's kind of like combining ingredients in a recipe for a cake and trying to separate them again. No doubt some reverse engineering could be possible, but it will never be exact. The best and easiest solution is to fly in the vocal from the existing version. |
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 8, 2024 0:03:52 GMT
No, not possible. Pitch correction is a destructive process, and leaves artifacts. Plus- it'd be impossible to manually pick out every single multitrack harmony and "untune" them without the project file for the remix. I'm guessing from this, you've tried before? I have no knowledge or experience in this area, but the question posed made me think. If you're saying it's a no (because I know the stuff you're capable of) then it's a no? Period? I have indeed tried before, but not with Queen I. There's a tape issue on the multitracks for November Rainbow '74, and QPL didn't fix it. I made this thread about it, but unfortunately the pictures no longer work. To sum it up shortly, due to that tape issue, you can see exactly how much pitch correction was used, and by flattening the line, you can restore Freddie's original pitch. Unfortunately though, the vocal still sounds a bit strange due to the damage that the pitch correction process does. This test was done by Nicky T. |
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Post by saintjiub on Oct 8, 2024 0:33:09 GMT
Never used napster back in the day? Do you promise not to buy a box set or is it an ordinary blah blah blah so that we can convince you to buy? You won't make Brian and Roger poor by not buying a box set. Mp3s of 63 songs from Queen I box set is less than $20. Surely, paying $20 is better than unlawfully downloading official copyrighted work for "free" ... |
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 8, 2024 3:59:18 GMT
Actually, the earliest use of pitch correction is on the 5.1 mix of A Night At The Opera, where Brian retuned some of the guitars in BoRhap. First on Freddie's voice was Live At The Bowl in 2004. You mean on Fat Bottomed Girls ? Wasn't that just an overdub, like on Live Killers (and virtually every live album ever) ? No, the Bb4s on Bohemian Rhapsody were tuned. Original broadcast audio (0:46)
Official release audio (0:54) |
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Post by antonio on Oct 8, 2024 4:17:35 GMT
I wont be buying an auto tuned box set for 200 plus quid, i ll get it on torrent or listen on YouTube, the band has fleased me out of enough money over the years
Same here...Last Queen/solo item that I bought was At the Bowl DVD back in 2004. Enough Queen collecting
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 8, 2024 6:31:34 GMT
It's priced like a deluxe, premium, thorough, even complete product. And yet.... They haven’t included the book because they couldn’t find a way to auto tune it! quite the opposite, in fact. if Archivist is in charge of the printed content, you can expect that; for autotune substitute labelling, factual or typing errors the very antithesis of autotune for the written word.  |
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 6:36:22 GMT
Do you promise not to buy a box set or is it an ordinary blah blah blah so that we can convince you to buy? You won't make Brian and Roger poor by not buying a box set. Mp3s of 63 songs from Queen I box set is less than $20. Surely, paying $20 is better than unlawfully downloading official copyrighted work for "free" ... No. Firstly, the illegal downloads will be Flac, not mp3. Secondly, principle. Not supporting substandard products |
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Post by creepy on Oct 8, 2024 8:06:13 GMT
I wont be buying an auto tuned box set for 200 plus quid, i ll get it on torrent or listen on YouTube, the band has fleased me out of enough money over the years
Same here...Last Queen/solo item that I bought was At the Bowl DVD back in 2004. Enough Queen collecting
You haven't bought anything from Queen / solo in 20 years? Well, interesting music has been released since then: Live in Budapest, The Cosmos Rocks, Fun on earth, Rainbow, Hammersmith Odeon, The miracle box, News of the world box, etc. Have you heard all those records? |
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Post by vh on Oct 8, 2024 8:13:31 GMT
They haven’t included the book because they couldn’t find a way to auto tune it! quite the opposite, in fact. if Archivist is in charge of the printed content, you can expect that; for autotune substitute labelling, factual or typing errors the very antithesis of autotune for the written word. 😂😂 |
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 8, 2024 9:24:19 GMT
wow, so much hate for a box set that hasn't been released yet. Those who won't buy it, that's your right, but don't announce it publicly especially that you will be download it from torrent. To buy or not to buy is everyone's personal business.
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 10:49:25 GMT
wow, so much hate for a box set that hasn't been released yet. Those who won't buy it, that's your right, but don't announce it publicly especially that you will be download it from torrent. To buy or not to buy is everyone's personal business. I disagree. If people WANT to announce their intentions (either way), that's free speech. However people should not provide links, methods, etc of anything that isn't legit. |
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Post by antonio on Oct 8, 2024 13:35:54 GMT
Same here...Last Queen/solo item that I bought was At the Bowl DVD back in 2004. Enough Queen collecting
You haven't bought anything from Queen / solo in 20 years? Well, interesting music has been released since then: Live in Budapest, The Cosmos Rocks, Fun on earth, Rainbow, Hammersmith Odeon, The miracle box, News of the world box, etc. Have you heard all those records?
Yes, I have. Everything.
As other collectors I fed up with some rubbish they released around that era so I stopped buying Queen items. Even I have to say that I sold 95% of everything. I´m still having some items and stuff but nothing interesting in these days
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Post by antonio on Oct 8, 2024 13:39:29 GMT
wow, so much hate for a box set that hasn't been released yet. Those who won't buy it, that's your right, but don't announce it publicly especially that you will be download it from torrent. To buy or not to buy is everyone's personal business.
I´ll search a torrent with no problem.
Obviously anyone can have their own opinion about this, but in the end, it´s not their business of what I´m going (or any other person) to do.
To buy or not, to download or not this item, won´t harm anyone here
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 8, 2024 14:10:29 GMT
I like TNCD 2024 2024 mix.
I can't help myself.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 8, 2024 14:50:06 GMT
wow, so much hate for a box set that hasn't been released yet. Those who won't buy it, that's your right, but don't announce it publicly especially that you will be download it from torrent. To buy or not to buy is everyone's personal business. I disagree. If people WANT to announce their intentions (either way), that's free speech. The "free speech" card never lands well. Nobody's suggesting anyone shouldn't have free speech, which is defined as government restricting your right to it. That's therefore a straw man argument. If you're on a forum dedicated to a band, chances are you're in the top 0.001% of fandom for that band. And if you openly declare that you aren't going to buy a niche product that has been specifically catered for people like you, before it even exists, for non-economic reasons - in this case a box set where 5 of 6 discs have new material from ~50 years ago - then people have every right (ahem, free speech) to opine that something isn't quite lining up. You yourself declared it to be a "substandard product" - how can you possibly offer that comprehensive review for something you have not yet heard 98% of ? |
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