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Post by disco_mart on Oct 21, 2024 18:36:36 GMT
I haven't seen the sticker on the album before. Maybe I wasn't looking. Are you sure it's a PA sticker? I mean, The Miracle box set had a sticker on it simply saying: "The Miracle Collector's Edition including LP, 5CDs etc..." And yes, I saved the sticker, and stack it inside the box. Like Brian, I think they are a part of the product. 
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Post by creepy on Oct 21, 2024 20:36:59 GMT
Made in heaven album (11 songs). No one but you. Forever (3 songs) The miracle box (6 songs). News of the world box (2 songs: All dead, all dead / Feelings). Queen I Box (1 song: Hagman). 24 songs? I'm sure I've forgotten some. How about we compare the number of unreleased songs released by Queen, not with Elton John, but The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Whitesnake or Aerosmith? We can also compare the number of concerts released with these bands. I think what you can do is download the Queen I box set from somewhere, and then you can complain about how bad the release is and compare it to Elton John or Bod Dylan, if that's to your liking. 3 tracks for 4664 plus Q+PR. Actually I was referring exclusively to Queen songs, and more specifically archive songs, not Queen +, that's why I didn't include Queen + Paul Rodgers. |
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Post by merplot on Oct 21, 2024 21:14:46 GMT
He didn't said that is the next one, he said that is the other one that he would like to beign remixed in the future. Close enough. Hence "implied." Brian typically doesn't say this kind of thing unless it's going to happen. Case in point, in 2021 he first mentioned the 1970 live tape, and here we are with a box set where a couple songs from it are being released. How much other stuff Brian must have that he doesn't even know about?? I'd love to jump into his archives and swim around Scrooge McDuck-style. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 22, 2024 9:50:44 GMT
I've created a new thread for post-release discussion, as there is quite a lot of distraction in this thread. Please only post in the new thread if you have received your box set, or in response to those that have, but I'd suggest not too many spoilers until the official release date (25/10). queenchat.boards.net/thread/5519/queen-box-post-release-discussionThis thread will be closed shortly after the box set has been released. |
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Post by NathanH on Oct 22, 2024 14:09:31 GMT
It's interesting reading what Freddie said about Hangman at that particular concert in San Diego. A couple of weeks ago, I considered Hangman the equivalent of See What A Fool I've Been, as in a rare song, but would only be played scarcely live. (The difference is SWAFIB was recorded in the studio and included on a single but even so, it's clear the band never considered it for Queen I or Queen II.)
But now I'm thinking Hangman is a bit like Stone Cold Crazy, the band played that song live up to four years before being released. They would've been playing it at gigs 1970-72 knowing full well it wasn't going to be on Queen I. I'm more curious now as to why SCC essentially was 'resurrected' for SHA. I don't think the song was played live after the release of the first album, but I could be wrong. It's like the band always knew SCC would be recorded eventually but on the face of it, it doesn't seem any different to Hangman.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 22, 2024 16:07:19 GMT
It's interesting reading what Freddie said about Hangman at that particular concert in San Diego. A couple of weeks ago, I considered Hangman the equivalent of See What A Fool I've Been, as in a rare song, but would only be played scarcely live. (The difference is SWAFIB was recorded in the studio and included on a single but even so, it's clear the band never considered it for Queen I or Queen II.) But now I'm thinking Hangman is a bit like Stone Cold Crazy, the band played that song live up to four years before being released. They would've been playing it at gigs 1970-72 knowing full well it wasn't going to be on Queen I. I'm more curious now as to why SCC essentially was 'resurrected' for SHA. I don't think the song was played live after the release of the first album, but I could be wrong. It's like the band always knew SCC would be recorded eventually but on the face of it, it doesn't seem any different to Hangman. Maybe it was as simple as they just needed a short rocker to fill / balance side 2 of the LP, and someone remembered that SCC was still knocking around? Of course, the song Sheer Heart Attack was around ~1974 but didn't appear on a record until NOTW in 1977, so it's not that uncommon for tracks to be 'resurrected'. It would be interesting to hear what form the song SHA would have taken on the SHA album, if indeed they recorded it. I guess that's something for the SHA box set. |
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Post by ted on Oct 22, 2024 18:09:38 GMT
It's interesting reading what Freddie said about Hangman at that particular concert in San Diego. A couple of weeks ago, I considered Hangman the equivalent of See What A Fool I've Been, as in a rare song, but would only be played scarcely live. (The difference is SWAFIB was recorded in the studio and included on a single but even so, it's clear the band never considered it for Queen I or Queen II.) But now I'm thinking Hangman is a bit like Stone Cold Crazy, the band played that song live up to four years before being released. They would've been playing it at gigs 1970-72 knowing full well it wasn't going to be on Queen I. I'm more curious now as to why SCC essentially was 'resurrected' for SHA. I don't think the song was played live after the release of the first album, but I could be wrong. It's like the band always knew SCC would be recorded eventually but on the face of it, it doesn't seem any different to Hangman. Maybe it was as simple as they just needed a short rocker to fill / balance side 2 of the LP, and someone remembered that SCC was still knocking around? Of course, the song Sheer Heart Attack was around ~1974 but didn't appear on a record until NOTW in 1977, so it's not that uncommon for tracks to be 'resurrected'. It would be interesting to hear what form the song SHA would have taken on the SHA album, if indeed they recorded it. I guess that's something for the SHA box set. The one reason that I can recall for SHA not having been included on it's namesake album is due to it not having been fully written prior to Queen recording their 3rd album. I've wondered too if a recording of the song from the SHA album 'Era' exists, but maybe not if it wasn't fully written by then. On the other hand, at that point it wouldn't have been without precedent for Queen to include an 'unfinished' track on a studio album (and then record and release the finished song on a later album) as Seven Seas of Rhye proves. The difference of course being that Roger/the Group obviously decided to wait until SHA the song was fully written before including it on an album (NOTW).
So I guess at this point I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility of an early version of the song existing.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 22, 2024 18:49:04 GMT
Maybe it was as simple as they just needed a short rocker to fill / balance side 2 of the LP, and someone remembered that SCC was still knocking around? Of course, the song Sheer Heart Attack was around ~1974 but didn't appear on a record until NOTW in 1977, so it's not that uncommon for tracks to be 'resurrected'. It would be interesting to hear what form the song SHA would have taken on the SHA album, if indeed they recorded it. I guess that's something for the SHA box set. The one reason that I can recall for SHA not having been included on it's namesake album is due to it not having been fully written prior to Queen recording their 3rd album. I've wondered too if a recording of the song from the SHA album 'Era' exists, but maybe not if it wasn't fully written by then. On the other hand, at that point it wouldn't have been without precedent for Queen to include an 'unfinished' track on a studio album (and then record and release the finished song on a later album) as Seven Seas of Rhye proves. The difference of course being that Roger/the Group obviously decided to wait until SHA the song was fully written before including it on an album (NOTW).
So I guess at this point I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility of an early version of the song existing. If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974. |
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Post by ted on Oct 22, 2024 21:04:54 GMT
Lord Fickle wrote: If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974.
Good point.
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Post by NathanH on Oct 22, 2024 21:44:31 GMT
The one reason that I can recall for SHA not having been included on it's namesake album is due to it not having been fully written prior to Queen recording their 3rd album. I've wondered too if a recording of the song from the SHA album 'Era' exists, but maybe not if it wasn't fully written by then. On the other hand, at that point it wouldn't have been without precedent for Queen to include an 'unfinished' track on a studio album (and then record and release the finished song on a later album) as Seven Seas of Rhye proves. The difference of course being that Roger/the Group obviously decided to wait until SHA the song was fully written before including it on an album (NOTW).
So I guess at this point I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility of an early version of the song existing. If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974. There must've been the embryo of the song there, hence the title of the album. But it must've been so far from being completed as it was never played live nor even teased on stage before 1977. It is an interesting topic and it does make you wonder how old songs are when they are actually released. Like with We Are The Champions, Freddie said he had it for two years earlier, but it wasn't used, so it is clear the band saved songs for the right moment. For Hangman, there never was the 'right' moment. It's even a shame they didn't play it during a BBC session, surely the one in December 1973 would've fitted the bill perfectly... |
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Post by vh on Oct 22, 2024 23:37:34 GMT
Lord Fickle wrote: If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974.Good point. Ted While I completely understand this view it also made me think in 1974 Metallica and Thrash Metal didn’t exist but Stone Cold Crazy had elements of Metallica in its performance. Given that they had recorded that isn’t it possible that Sheer Heart Attack, while not sounding as Punk as we know it now, may have sounded to close in style to SCC so wasn’t included or finished. |
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Post by thesirhc on Oct 23, 2024 0:22:42 GMT
I've been debating whether or not I should buy the online exclusive box with the picture disc. Now it's sold out. Does anyone know if Queen Online tends to restock sold out items like this?
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Post by angusscrimm on Oct 23, 2024 0:37:02 GMT
I've been debating whether or not I should buy the online exclusive box with the picture disc. Now it's sold out. Does anyone know if Queen Online tends to restock sold out items like this? I'm not sure there's an exclusive box with picture disc - I think it was just a bundle. From what I can see, both can be bought separately. You were only saving £2 with the bundle. Good luck |
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Post by ted on Oct 23, 2024 0:59:03 GMT
Lord Fickle wrote: If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974.Good point. Ted While I completely understand this view it also made me think in 1974 Metallica and Thrash Metal didn’t exist but Stone Cold Crazy had elements of Metallica in its performance. Given that they had recorded that isn’t it possible that Sheer Heart Attack, while not sounding as Punk as we know it now, may have sounded to close in style to SCC so wasn’t included or finished. While I can certainly view SCC as a likely or at least possible precursor to Thrash Metal, it's always been Brian's guitar solo on Brighton Rock which has struck me as a precursor or the absolute template from which Thrash Metal was derived. As for the song SHA as originally (or partly) written possibly sounding close in style to SCC, I certainly can't rule out that possibility which - if true - could serve as a possible reason why both songs weren't included on the SHA album.
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Post by jimmydean on Oct 23, 2024 4:13:23 GMT
I've been debating whether or not I should buy the online exclusive box with the picture disc. Now it's sold out. Does anyone know if Queen Online tends to restock sold out items like this? Oof - glad I bought it. The miracle never sold out. I think Brian May’s back to the light did go out of stock and then came back for a bit, presumably because they found more unsold copies. Keep an eye out. Edit: I just checked the website and it’s very much in stock. I’m in Canada so maybe a different inventory in North America vs elsewhere? |
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Post by Nick on Oct 23, 2024 6:32:05 GMT
I've been debating whether or not I should buy the online exclusive box with the picture disc. Now it's sold out. Does anyone know if Queen Online tends to restock sold out items like this? Oof - glad I bought it. The miracle never sold out. I think Brian May’s back to the light did go out of stock and then came back for a bit, presumably because they found more unsold copies. Keep an eye out. Edit: I just checked the website and it’s very much in stock. I’m in Canada so maybe a different inventory in North America vs elsewhere? Still available for sale when I just looked - I’m in the UK. |
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Post by Dimitris on Oct 23, 2024 6:32:14 GMT
I've been debating whether or not I should buy the online exclusive box with the picture disc. Now it's sold out. Does anyone know if Queen Online tends to restock sold out items like this? Queen exclusive limited editions are not usually reissued, only exception was the viny colored boxset collection. Try to find it on ebay. Sometimes there are sellers who don't raise the prices so much. |
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Post by fabiogminero on Oct 23, 2024 7:22:09 GMT
Brian May was interviewed by Mojo magazine about the new release: www.mojo4music.com/articles/stories/brian-may-interviewed/Among other things, he talks about religious topics in the lyrics of the album, the involvement of John Deacon and the possibility that "Queen II" will receive the same treatment as "Queen". |
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Post by pennyroyalty on Oct 23, 2024 11:00:47 GMT
If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974. Unless the original WAS the version we know, which would make it proto-punk rock, and it was only in "the year punk broke" (and I don't mean 1991  ) that they came to the conclusion that SHA could work well as their reaction to that genre without any need to rework it. Incidentally, I've just realised NOTW was issued on the same day as Never Mind the Bollocks. I must have encountered this information somewhere, possibly on multiple occasions, but somehow it didn't register. |
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Post by Raf on Oct 23, 2024 14:07:21 GMT
If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974. Unless the original WAS the version we know, which would make it proto-punk rock, and it was only in "the year punk broke" (and I don't mean 1991 ) that they came to the conclusion that SHA could work well as their reaction to that genre without any need to rework it. Incidentally, I've just realised NOTW was issued on the same day as Never Mind the Bollocks. I must have encountered this information somewhere, possibly on multiple occasions, but somehow it didn't register. Well, there are actual stories of the Sex Pistols literally being in the same studio as Queen during Bollocks/NOTW and Sid teasing Freddie during the sessions. As for SHA, the whole "it wasn't finished in time for the album" back in 74 and being finished only in 77 never sounded reasonable to me. It's literally just a few power chords, and neither the melody nor the lyrics are too fancy. The hypothesis that it sounded like a half assed song back in 74 and when punk broke the song as it was sounded suitable does sound a lot more plausible to me. And I can see the band refusing to admit that they were in some way influenced by the punk movement and coming up with the "not finished in time" excuse. And just to make it clear - I'm speculating here, not claiming any of these (except for the infamous Sid/Freddie fight in the studio) actually happened. |
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Post by pennyroyalty on Oct 23, 2024 16:25:57 GMT
Well, there are actual stories of the Sex Pistols literally being in the same studio as Queen during Bollocks/NOTW and Sid teasing Freddie during the sessions. As for SHA, the whole "it wasn't finished in time for the album" back in 74 and being finished only in 77 never sounded reasonable to me. It's literally just a few power chords, and neither the melody nor the lyrics are too fancy. The hypothesis that it sounded like a half assed song back in 74 and when punk broke the song as it was sounded suitable does sound a lot more plausible to me. And I can see the band refusing to admit that they were in some way influenced by the punk movement and coming up with the "not finished in time" excuse. And just to make it clear - I'm speculating here, not claiming any of these (except for the infamous Sid/Freddie fight in the studio) actually happened. I was aware of the Fred vs Sid feud. I just somehow overlooked the fact that both albums had the exact same release date. As for SHA, they should've admitted from the outset the song dated back to 74. Imagine punks at the time trying to come to terms with the fact that Queen of all people had beaten them to the punch with that song. |
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Post by jjmillenium on Oct 23, 2024 16:33:31 GMT
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 23, 2024 16:35:35 GMT
I think you mean this Friday |
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Post by jjmillenium on Oct 23, 2024 16:37:20 GMT
yeah sorry
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Post by leroybrown on Oct 23, 2024 23:25:53 GMT
Looks like Keep Yourself Alive will b released as a single with a video.
Moved from post-release discussion thread - LF.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 24, 2024 0:19:10 GMT
The one reason that I can recall for SHA not having been included on it's namesake album is due to it not having been fully written prior to Queen recording their 3rd album. I've wondered too if a recording of the song from the SHA album 'Era' exists, but maybe not if it wasn't fully written by then. On the other hand, at that point it wouldn't have been without precedent for Queen to include an 'unfinished' track on a studio album (and then record and release the finished song on a later album) as Seven Seas of Rhye proves. The difference of course being that Roger/the Group obviously decided to wait until SHA the song was fully written before including it on an album (NOTW).
So I guess at this point I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility of an early version of the song existing. If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974. Protopunk sure did, and Deep Purple was already going in that direction with tracks like Speed King and Highway Star. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 24, 2024 0:31:52 GMT
If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974. Protopunk sure did, and Deep Purple was already going in that direction with tracks like Speed King and Highway Star. I've not heard that term before. I would have called that hard rock. I'd have said Motörhead were closer to punk than the likes of Deep Purple. |
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Post by rub3945 on Oct 24, 2024 1:22:13 GMT
If you have a VPN and the ability to set it to New Zealand, there's only a 9 hour wait left 🤩
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Post by thesirhc on Oct 24, 2024 3:01:52 GMT
I've been debating whether or not I should buy the online exclusive box with the picture disc. Now it's sold out. Does anyone know if Queen Online tends to restock sold out items like this? Oof - glad I bought it. The miracle never sold out. I think Brian May’s back to the light did go out of stock and then came back for a bit, presumably because they found more unsold copies. Keep an eye out. Edit: I just checked the website and it’s very much in stock. I’m in Canada so maybe a different inventory in North America vs elsewhere? Yep, you and Nick are right. It's back in stock! Also, I didn't realize that the bundle would have two records in it. I figured they'd replace the standard black with the picture disc. I guess one of these days I should learn to read better  |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Oct 24, 2024 5:06:47 GMT
If an earlier version of it existed, I can't imagine it would be anything like the version we know, as that was kind of written as an answer to punk, as far as I am aware, and of course, punk as it was in 1977 didn't exist in 1974. Protopunk sure did, and Deep Purple was already going in that direction with tracks like Speed King and Highway Star. I really object to calling Highway Star "protopunk". That's hard rock through and through. Speed King might be more debatable, Highway Star isn't.
EDIT: to elaborate: the use of a harmonic minor scale, a surprisingly complex chord progression that is not strictly diatonic, a classical-inspired guitar solo and a baroque organ solo. This is anathema to punk, not paving the way to it.
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