manymilesaway
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 8, 2024 19:11:49 GMT
I'd like you all to know that the De Lane Lea bootleg compilation "In The Beginning" has been found by Chinwonder2 . This has been sourced from a MUCH better copy, and has way less tape damage compared to what Queen Productions put out (their was sourced from an acetate rather than a tape like this copy). Liar - 2011 (note the very damaged and messy high end) Liar - In The Beginning
As the De Lane Lea demos have been officially released in 2011 and will be remixed on the 2024 boxset, I won't be able to share a public download link. In a completely unrelated note, I'd like to reassure you all that I'm a very nice guy and my DMs are always open to those who want to chat.
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manymilesaway
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 8, 2024 19:12:07 GMT
Also, I will be using this copy of In The Beginning as my base for the pitch correction removal on the De Lane Lea 2024 remixes.
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Post by mas2ermercury on Oct 8, 2024 19:48:57 GMT
Holy crap this is insane! Just as I was gonna start looking over remastering these tracks! You can hear QPL’s shitty noise reduction job in the bridge in GKR on my “remaster”
Thank you Chinwonder and everyone else involved!
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pg
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Post by pg on Oct 8, 2024 19:50:58 GMT
You mean the CD that crept out in about 94?
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Post by Brian's Wig on Oct 9, 2024 8:05:42 GMT
How strange that you consider it "lost".
The bootleg is taken from John Stuart's reel to reel tape and was put on pressed CD by a Dutch fan whose name eludes me at the moment. I'm sure someone will fill in the gaps.
Interestingly, the files John personally shared with a handful of friends all register as CDDA by 'traders little helper' apart from GKR which registers as mpeg...
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rub3945
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Post by rub3945 on Oct 9, 2024 8:30:06 GMT
Oh my gosh!!! And I bet these versions actually have dynamics! How've I never heard of this bootleg? Great timing with this find 👌
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Post by wijnand on Oct 9, 2024 9:44:49 GMT
How strange that you consider it "lost". The bootleg is taken from John Stuart's reel to reel tape and was put on pressed CD by a Dutch fan whose name eludes me at the moment. I'm sure someone will fill in the gaps. Interestingly, the files John personally shared with a handful of friends all register as CDDA by 'traders little helper' apart from GKR which registers as mpeg... That was Rinus Walstijn, wasn't it? He died in January this year :-(
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Post by gambaaaa on Oct 9, 2024 10:16:14 GMT
How strange that you consider it "lost". I second that, I never consider it "lost" but it became quite hard to find since the DLL demos were officially release in 2011. I'm looking forward to listen to the newly discovered master tape since the bootleg comes from John's 2nd generation tape.
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Post by dragonkiller on Oct 9, 2024 11:53:12 GMT
Have to dig out my copy of the cd now and give it a listen.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Oct 9, 2024 12:52:19 GMT
How strange that you consider it "lost". The bootleg is taken from John Stuart's reel to reel tape and was put on pressed CD by a Dutch fan whose name eludes me at the moment. I'm sure someone will fill in the gaps. Interestingly, the files John personally shared with a handful of friends all register as CDDA by 'traders little helper' apart from GKR which registers as mpeg... That was Rinus Walstijn, wasn't it? He died in January this year :-( Yes Wijnand. Rinus. Thank you. I had no idea he'd passed away ;-(
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baronlutenvank
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Post by baronlutenvank on Oct 9, 2024 12:56:04 GMT
Ooooh, can't wait to listen to this. This should keep us at bay before QPL releases the box set.
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Post by cmi on Oct 9, 2024 14:25:52 GMT
Sounds like acetate source. Nothing special at all in term of quality.
Continuing to wait for 25th October 2024...
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 9, 2024 16:22:46 GMT
Sounds like acetate source. Nothing special at all in term of quality. It's definitely a cleaner copy, likely from an earlier transfer.
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manymilesaway
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 9, 2024 17:32:08 GMT
How strange that you consider it "lost". The bootleg is taken from John Stuart's reel to reel tape and was put on pressed CD by a Dutch fan whose name eludes me at the moment. I'm sure someone will fill in the gaps. Interestingly, the files John personally shared with a handful of friends all register as CDDA by 'traders little helper' apart from GKR which registers as mpeg... I knew that it definitely wasn't totally lost, but I mentioned finding it here because there was discussion about it during the Queen I boxset rumours. Someone was trying to find it and nobody produced any links, so I figured it'd be useful of me to say "hey we found it"
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mow955
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Post by mow955 on Oct 9, 2024 18:13:25 GMT
I really enjoy the 2011 editions, intrigued to hear how much clearer these sound
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manymilesaway
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 9, 2024 18:51:28 GMT
Thank you to everyone who started a little "chat" with me in my PMs. Hope you were left satisfied. Riveting discussions, gotta say.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Oct 9, 2024 19:33:55 GMT
There's more 'nudge nudge wink wink' going on here than in this!
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Post by sam99 on Oct 9, 2024 21:35:34 GMT
Thank you so much, this is one of those jaw dropped moments thank you very much Chinwonder, Manymiles away and all involved in this.
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eYe
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Post by eYe on Oct 10, 2024 4:34:10 GMT
I have it as Silvers > EAC > FLAC dated 2008 in my archive, complete with logs, SBE check and artwork. It has a subfolder "Edit" containing the 5 songs again, but no further explanation. Any idea?
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Post by GinjaNinja on Oct 18, 2024 20:02:42 GMT
Here are John S. Stuart's comments, from around the time he posted his copies on Queenzone (like many of his shares, they were sourced from a MiniDisc transfer, so are lacking above 16kHz): www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1264787.html
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Oct 18, 2024 23:17:50 GMT
"The studio master recording tapes for these sessions do NOT exist. They have long been erased. Whilst recording this session, Queen were not received with any notice or priority. After the acetates were cut (which were only recorded as a show-case demo anyway), the studio master tapes were recorded over by other artists. Why would this not be the case (especially in the early 1970's when both studio time and tape were very expensive?). So no studio master survives. "
So what about the new mixes on Queen I boxset? What source they did use for de lane Lea demos?
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Post by manymilesaway on Oct 18, 2024 23:21:47 GMT
"The studio master recording tapes for these sessions do NOT exist. They have long been erased. Whilst recording this session, Queen were not received with any notice or priority. After the acetates were cut (which were only recorded as a show-case demo anyway), the studio master tapes were recorded over by other artists. Why would this not be the case (especially in the early 1970's when both studio time and tape were very expensive?). So no studio master survives. " So what about the new mixes on Queen I boxset? What source they did use for de lane Lea demos? John Stuart seems to have been wrong about quite a lot of things, including this. He was also wrong about where Mad The Swine came from and the cut drum intro. The remixes were no doubt sourced from the multitracks.
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Oct 18, 2024 23:25:41 GMT
"The studio master recording tapes for these sessions do NOT exist. They have long been erased. Whilst recording this session, Queen were not received with any notice or priority. After the acetates were cut (which were only recorded as a show-case demo anyway), the studio master tapes were recorded over by other artists. Why would this not be the case (especially in the early 1970's when both studio time and tape were very expensive?). So no studio master survives. " So what about the new mixes on Queen I boxset? What source they did use for de lane Lea demos? John Stuart seems to have been wrong about quite a lot of things, including this. He was also wrong about where Mad The Swine came from and the cut drum intro. The remixes were no doubt sourced from the multitracks. Thank you!
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Post by The Real Wizard on Oct 18, 2024 23:46:43 GMT
"The studio master recording tapes for these sessions do NOT exist. They have long been erased. Whilst recording this session, Queen were not received with any notice or priority. After the acetates were cut (which were only recorded as a show-case demo anyway), the studio master tapes were recorded over by other artists. Why would this not be the case (especially in the early 1970's when both studio time and tape were very expensive?). So no studio master survives. " So what about the new mixes on Queen I boxset? What source they did use for de lane Lea demos? John Stuart seems to have been wrong about quite a lot of things, including this. He was also wrong about where Mad The Swine came from and the cut drum intro. The remixes were no doubt sourced from the multitracks. Yep, because we were today days old when the tape boxes were seen for the first time. queenchat.boards.net/post/115403/thread
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