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Post by anotherroger on May 18, 2020 18:44:59 GMT
I have never seen a concert from another band in 1981, or even the 80s or 90s that looks and sound as good as Queen Montreal 1981. How rare is a recording in HD from this era? If there are other recorded concerts from other bands in this quality I want to see it! To be honest I have never seen anything that even comes close!
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Post by emrabt on May 18, 2020 18:59:46 GMT
Queen were very lucky, it was shot for the MobileVision touring Projection screens instead of for a TV channel, so it was on 35mm film rather than tape.
I don't know enough about other bands touring to know if any others got the same treatment, but Saul Swimmer had a whole lot of directing work for concert videos.
Queen Live in Budapest is the only other queen concert that was professionally filmed on 35mm to my knowledge.
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Post by anotherroger on May 18, 2020 19:05:58 GMT
How lucky are we to have two concerts filmed on 35mm? It is amazing really. To be honest I wish it was Wembley that got the treatment rather than Budapest. Budapest has boring angles and it didnt look as good visually in my opinion. Wembley looked so brilliant. Especially the rear angles filming Freddie and the crowd in front of him. A shame that the picture quality lets it down.
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Post by emrabt on May 18, 2020 19:08:26 GMT
To be honest I wish it was Wembley that got the treatment rather than Budapest. Budapest has boring angles and it didnt look as good visually in my opinion. They are boring BECAUSE they are filmed with big heavy 35mm film cameras that are hard to maneuver. |
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Post by anotherroger on May 18, 2020 19:12:33 GMT
To be honest I wish it was Wembley that got the treatment rather than Budapest. Budapest has boring angles and it didnt look as good visually in my opinion. They are boring BECAUSE they are filmed with big heavy 35mm film cameras that are hard to maneuver. Never thought of it, but you could have a point. But the main thing for me is that Wembley had daylight. The best shots are from One vision to "ABTD". |
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Post by emrabt on Jul 23, 2020 19:42:07 GMT
Just thought I'd correct myself, have been reading through the fanclub letters (winter 82), apparently Montreal was shot on 70mm film. I've never even seen a 70mm camera, I suspect they were massive and heavy.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Jul 23, 2020 23:59:15 GMT
35 / 70 mm film can be scanned to 8K while providing fine detail even at that resolution. No wonder they look so good, just like some very good movies compared to more modern ones filmed with cheaper tech, not unlike the case with the Budapest / Wembley videos.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jul 24, 2020 9:55:04 GMT
Just thought I'd correct myself, have been reading through the fanclub letters (winter 82), apparently Montreal was shot on 70mm film. I've never even seen a 70mm camera, I suspect they were massive and heavy.
* 65mm and 70mm are the same thing. When talking about film, that is. Don't apply this logic when doing calculations.
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Post by emrabt on Jul 24, 2020 19:43:43 GMT
That explains why it looks so good. I know the band didn't get on with the way he recorded things but wasn't Saul Swimmer forward thinking? This concert is going to keep up with the resolution of new digital cameras for decades.
Does anyone know the time for each reel, I guess 13 minutes like 35 mm?
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 24, 2020 21:46:05 GMT
I have never seen a concert from another band in 1981, or even the 80s or 90s that looks and sound as good as Queen Montreal 1981. How rare is a recording in HD from this era? If there are other recorded concerts from other bands in this quality I want to see it! To be honest I have never seen anything that even comes close! well, i can think of one other 1976: Zeppelin - The Song Remains The Same (filmed in 35mm with Quad sound (24-track)) |
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Post by vh on Jul 25, 2020 0:07:00 GMT
I have never seen a concert from another band in 1981, or even the 80s or 90s that looks and sound as good as Queen Montreal 1981. How rare is a recording in HD from this era? If there are other recorded concerts from other bands in this quality I want to see it! To be honest I have never seen anything that even comes close! well, i can think of one other 1976: Zeppelin - The Song Remains The Same (filmed in 35mm with Quad sound (24-track)) Yes you're right, but I guess the difference would be that the Queen gig was a filmed gig and the Zep one was filmed as part of a film with off stage sequences cut into the live footage. Also We Will Rock You was filmed over two dates at the same venue, but what a lot of people aren't aware of is that The Song Remains The Same, while being a visual document of a gig at Madison Square Garden, contained "live" gig footage filmed at Shepperton Studios some time after the MSG gig was filmed. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 25, 2020 6:35:42 GMT
of course ^.
i was really just going for the "quality filming of a gig". and the 24-track Quad did make the whole thing quite special (for the time)
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Post by cmi on Jul 25, 2020 8:04:59 GMT
Don't forget about Pink Floyd's "Delicate Sound Of Thunder" filmed on 35mm in 1988.
You can check it out on my channel.
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Post by pg on Jul 25, 2020 10:34:25 GMT
That explains why it looks so good. I know the band didn't get on with the way he recorded things but wasn't Saul Swimmer forward thinking? This concert is going to keep up with the resolution of new digital cameras for decades.
Does anyone know the time for each reel, I guess 13 minutes like 35 mm?
I think you may be over-crediting his vision. 70mm was used because he had an outlet for footage in that format at the time. In the same way, you can't say how forward thinking users of 35mm were for anticipating 4K digital scanning. It was a business decision - 35mm cameras were more expensive than video, so were used when cinema was the target medium as opposed to TV. 70mm cameras were even more expensive, so only used when someone had access to an even bigger screen and thought they could sell enough tickets. The same is true is modern cinema where even with 8k available and 4k reasonably established, films are still being shot in 2k. The costs don't justify their use. |
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Post by emrabt on Jul 25, 2020 10:54:23 GMT
I think you may be over-crediting his vision. 70mm was used because he had an outlet for footage in that format at the time. In the same way, you can't say how forward thinking users of 35mm were for anticipating 4K digital scanning. It was a business decision - 35mm cameras were more expensive than video, so were used when cinema was the target medium as opposed to TV. 70mm cameras were even more expensive, so only used when someone had access to an even bigger screen and thought they could sell enough tickets. The same is true is modern cinema where even with 8k available and 4k reasonably established, films are still being shot in 2k. The costs don't justify their use.
I would say he was forward thinking in the way he knew this would be seen for a long time to come, I suspect he wasn't thinking that in 40 years home systems would benefit from the footage, rather that in 40 years his 90 foot screen might still be used so would benefit from less grain when blown up.
He factored that the extra expense would be worth the future gain.
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Post by angusscrimm on Jul 27, 2020 23:21:00 GMT
All of this, and folk will still watch it on a phone  |
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Post by eiricd on Sept 1, 2020 16:07:16 GMT
I have never seen a concert from another band in 1981, or even the 80s or 90s that looks and sound as good as Queen Montreal 1981. How rare is a recording in HD from this era? If there are other recorded concerts from other bands in this quality I want to see it! To be honest I have never seen anything that even comes close! well, i can think of one other 1976: Zeppelin - The Song Remains The Same (filmed in 35mm with Quad sound (24-track)) There’s a great looking stones show from 82. A lot of the show in daylight as well. Let’s spend the night together I think the dvd title is. Can’t remember now if there was a subsequent blu ray release The Band - The last Waltz. 35mm sourced- but a dimly lit venue makes it look less impressive than a well lit concert. Still very good though |
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Post by cmsdrums on Sept 1, 2020 20:40:58 GMT
The visuals of the Rock Montreal release, whilst in HD, looks worse than previous releases - they totally ruined the colour balance, raising contract/brightness Way beyond what was needed, leaving it looking washed out.
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Post by eiricd on Sept 1, 2020 21:31:35 GMT
The visuals of the Rock Montreal release, whilst in HD, looks worse than previous releases - they totally ruined the colour balance, raising contract/brightness Way beyond what was needed, leaving it looking washed out. Montreal is far from perfect. The best looking bits are incredible though. Perhaps they’ll fix it for a 4K release:) |
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