NathanH
Politician
Posts: 689
Likes: 708
|
Post by NathanH on Jun 27, 2020 11:25:36 GMT
Why is it that there are more recordings accessible of Queen playing on their British tour of 1973 supporting Mott The Hoople than Queen's own headlining tour of Britain in March 1974? It's always intrigued me as there are loads of concerts from 1973 which we're able to listen to (not in entirety I know) but yet because of this we're unable to know for certain what the standard setlist was for the Queen II Tour of Britain. It would be nice just to be able to listen to just one audience tape even if it's shit quality.
|
|
Golden Salmon
Wordles & Heardles 
Politician
Posts: 845
Likes: 859
|
Post by Golden Salmon on Jun 27, 2020 12:30:45 GMT
Why is it that there are more recordings accessible of Queen playing on their British tour of 1973 supporting Mott The Hoople than Queen's own headlining tour of Britain in March 1974? It's always intrigued me as there are loads of concerts from 1973 which we're able to listen to (not in entirety I know) but yet because of this we're unable to know for certain what the standard setlist was for the Queen II Tour of Britain. It would be nice just to be able to listen to just one audience tape even if it's shit quality. I have no idea, but you may have answered yourself. More people taped Mott The Hoople that year and they probably were the ones that taped Queen too just because they were there. |
|
NathanH
Politician
Posts: 689
Likes: 708
|
Post by NathanH on Jun 27, 2020 12:51:11 GMT
Why is it that there are more recordings accessible of Queen playing on their British tour of 1973 supporting Mott The Hoople than Queen's own headlining tour of Britain in March 1974? It's always intrigued me as there are loads of concerts from 1973 which we're able to listen to (not in entirety I know) but yet because of this we're unable to know for certain what the standard setlist was for the Queen II Tour of Britain. It would be nice just to be able to listen to just one audience tape even if it's shit quality. I have no idea, but you may have answered yourself. More people taped Mott The Hoople that year and they probably were the ones that taped Queen too just because they were there. Yeah that's what I was thinking when I wrote it! |
|
|
|
Post by Chopin1995 on Jun 28, 2020 22:07:35 GMT
Good question. I always wanted to hear any recording from Queen II UK tour but it's unlikely to happen. That was the period when the band experimented a lot with the setlist so each show could have had different setlist. And they even used electric piano for one show. Crowd was a bit rude sometimes at that tour. Fascinating period...
|
|
Lord Fickle
Global Moderator 
Posts: 26,037
Likes: 11,243
|
Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 28, 2020 23:47:40 GMT
I wonder if they ever played the whole of MOTBQ? That would be wonderful to hear. We never knew about Fairy Feller live until it popped up a couple of years ago.
|
|
NathanH
Politician
Posts: 689
Likes: 708
|
Post by NathanH on Jun 29, 2020 7:02:35 GMT
I would love to hear the Blackpool show as commonly first shows on a tour have the longest shows as they try out many songs. Apparently, not only did they play The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke but The Night Comes Down too! So it could be very similar to the Rainbow setlist but with a couple of extra tracks to experiment with.
|
|
Lord Fickle
Global Moderator
Posts: 26,037
Likes: 11,243
|
Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 29, 2020 10:45:41 GMT
I would love to hear the Blackpool show as commonly first shows on a tour have the longest shows as they try out many songs. Apparently, not only did they play The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke but The Night Comes Down too! So it could be very similar to the Rainbow setlist but with a couple of extra tracks to experiment with. Not sure how reliable it is, but according to Setlist.fm, they didn't play The Night Comes Down -- www.setlist.fm/setlist/queen/1974/winter-gardens-blackpool-england-33df20c1.html |
|
NathanH
Politician
Posts: 689
Likes: 708
|
Post by NathanH on Jun 29, 2020 13:39:43 GMT
I would love to hear the Blackpool show as commonly first shows on a tour have the longest shows as they try out many songs. Apparently, not only did they play The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke but The Night Comes Down too! So it could be very similar to the Rainbow setlist but with a couple of extra tracks to experiment with. Not sure how reliable it is, but according to Setlist.fm, they didn't play The Night Comes Down -- www.setlist.fm/setlist/queen/1974/winter-gardens-blackpool-england-33df20c1.html
I agree it might not be the most accurate fact but first shows on a tour often have a lot of experimenting e.g. Sleeping On The Sidewalk was only played at the first few shows until it was dropped permanently from the set.
|
|
|
|
Post by queen1970s on Jun 29, 2020 15:14:43 GMT
I would love to hear the Blackpool show as commonly first shows on a tour have the longest shows as they try out many songs. Apparently, not only did they play The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke but The Night Comes Down too! So it could be very similar to the Rainbow setlist but with a couple of extra tracks to experiment with. Not sure how reliable it is, but according to Setlist.fm, they didn't play The Night Comes Down -- www.setlist.fm/setlist/queen/1974/winter-gardens-blackpool-england-33df20c1.htmlYou can't really trust to that site it has a lot of wrong informations |
|
|
|
Post by queen1970s on Jun 29, 2020 15:20:04 GMT
I really want to hear a live recording of The Night Comes Down. According to Greg Brook's(Queen's archivist), book "Queen Live Book" they played The Night Comes Down at this show but i'm not sure they did it. It looks like they didn't performed it in 1973 too. Would be cool to hear the Blackpool show recording
|
|
Golden Salmon
Wordles & Heardles
Politician
Posts: 845
Likes: 859
|
Post by Golden Salmon on Jun 29, 2020 15:37:42 GMT
Isn't "The Night Comes Down" one of their first complete songs? They finished it in late 1971. They could have easily played it live even before that.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 29, 2020 23:41:17 GMT
Pretty well all of those songs were played live. Anything to not be a cover band if you don't have to be.
The only one surely left at the gate was My Fairy King.
|
|
|
|
Post by queen1970s on Jun 30, 2020 7:57:01 GMT
Isn't "The Night Comes Down" one of their first complete songs? They finished it in late 1971. They could have easily played it live even before that. The last known time that "The Night Comes Down" was performed was at a gig in Kings College Medical School of London in March 10th 1972. There's a handwritten setlist written by Freddie that proves that they performed it |
|
|
|
Post by queen1970s on Jun 30, 2020 8:05:45 GMT
Pretty well all of those songs were played live. Anything to not be a cover band if you don't have to be.
The only one surely left at the gate was My Fairy King.
They never performed the whole of "My Fairy King". Freddie just played a bits of the song on piano in 1982 and 1985 I guess. According to Barry Mitchell (Queen's second bassist) they rehearsed My Fairy King at a rehearsal for a gig at imperial college in August 23th 1970 but they never performed it on any show. It would be a bit strange it they rehearsed it cause Freddie started playing piano at the end of 1971 but this is an unknown information about when he started playing piano on stage or maybe they performed it on rehearsal without piano because the song could be unfinished by then |
|
BrƎИsꓘi
Administrator
They called it paradise, I don't know why...You call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye.
Posts: 4,164
Likes: 3,412
|
Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 30, 2020 8:40:02 GMT
Pretty well all of those songs were played live. Anything to not be a cover band if you don't have to be. The only one surely left at the gate was My Fairy King. exactly. during the touring periods before the first album and prior to SHA, the first LP was the bulk of the set - mainly due to that first LP being properly rehearsed thru 72 and 73, recorded several times: demos, officially, and BBC sessions. So even when they toured in their own right (as headliners) in '74, the first LP was still 75% of the setlist. I'd wager no other Queen LP was that extensively played. |
|
|
|
Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 30, 2020 16:59:30 GMT
Isn't "The Night Comes Down" one of their first complete songs? They finished it in late 1971. They could have easily played it live even before that. The last known time that "The Night Comes Down" was performed was at a gig in Kings College Medical School of London in March 10th 1972. There's a handwritten setlist written by Freddie that proves that they performed it Technically a setlist doesn't "prove" they played the songs - it means they planned to play the songs. They could have done whatever they wanted at the gig. Bands shuffle the deck on the fly all the time, then and now.
That said, we can be pretty certain they did play The Night Comes Down at some point, as we've heard 2 or 3 references to it now. But let's not discount the possibility of an unknown band in 1971 or 72 pulling out an acoustic guitar, a campy singer saying "we're going to do an original ballad for you now," and inebriated people screaming for them to play Zeppelin covers instead.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 30, 2020 17:01:02 GMT
According to Barry Mitchell (Queen's second bassist) they rehearsed My Fairy King at a rehearsal for a gig at imperial college in August 23th 1970 but they never performed it on any show. It would be a bit strange it they rehearsed it cause Freddie started playing piano at the end of 1971 but this is an unknown information about when he started playing piano on stage or maybe they performed it on rehearsal without piano because the song could be unfinished by then Barry is a lovely man, but those quotes are from about 5 years ago, which means we're relying on someone's 45 year old memory. Meanwhile I can't tell you what I had for dinner two nights ago.
He could have easily forgotten about a gig or two. And all of them could forget which gigs had a piano and which ones didn't.
Unless tapes show up, these early years are never going to be very well documented. Zeppelin aficionados have the same issue with the 1968 shows.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 30, 2020 17:13:21 GMT
Pretty well all of those songs were played live. Anything to not be a cover band if you don't have to be. The only one surely left at the gate was My Fairy King. exactly. during the touring periods before the first album and prior to SHA, the first LP was the bulk of the set - mainly due to that first LP being properly rehearsed thru 72 and 73, recorded several times: demos, officially, and BBC sessions. So even when they toured in their own right (as headliners) in '74, the first LP was still 75% of the setlist. I'd wager no other Queen LP was that extensively played. Yep - which is why they were sick of playing Liar and Keep Yourself Alive by the early 80s. Brian is even quoted saying it in a couple interviews (very diplomatically of course). |
|
|
|
Post by queen1970s on Jul 1, 2020 0:04:47 GMT
According to Barry Mitchell (Queen's second bassist) they rehearsed My Fairy King at a rehearsal for a gig at imperial college in August 23th 1970 but they never performed it on any show. It would be a bit strange it they rehearsed it cause Freddie started playing piano at the end of 1971 but this is an unknown information about when he started playing piano on stage or maybe they performed it on rehearsal without piano because the song could be unfinished by then Barry is a lovely man, but those quotes are from about 5 years ago, which means we're relying on someone's 45 year old memory. Meanwhile I can't tell you what I had for dinner two nights ago.
He could have easily forgotten about a gig or two. And all of them could forget which gigs had a piano and which ones didn't.
Unless tapes show up, these early years are never going to be very well documented. Zeppelin aficionados have the same issue with the 1968 shows.
they could have been played it but we don't have any info sadly. |
|
|
|
Post by queen1970s on Jul 1, 2020 0:10:08 GMT
The last known time that "The Night Comes Down" was performed was at a gig in Kings College Medical School of London in March 10th 1972. There's a handwritten setlist written by Freddie that proves that they performed it Technically a setlist doesn't "prove" they played the songs - it means they planned to play the songs. They could have done whatever they wanted at the gig. Bands shuffle the deck on the fly all the time, then and now.
That said, we can be pretty certain they did play The Night Comes Down at some point, as we've heard 2 or 3 references to it now. But let's not discount the possibility of an unknown band in 1971 or 72 pulling out an acoustic guitar, a campy singer saying "we're going to do an original ballad for you now," and inebriated people screaming for them to play Zeppelin covers instead.
I don't think they played their songs with acoustic back then until 1976 but who knows we don't have any evidence but I don't think they performed "The Night Comes Down" with acoustic guitar back then since the whole of the song wasn't with acoustic guitar there was only a short acoustic guitar intro for the song and I don't think Brian had enough time to play the song with acoustic guitar and then changes it with Red Special. |
|
|
|
Post by The Real Wizard on Jul 1, 2020 0:49:37 GMT
Technically a setlist doesn't "prove" they played the songs - it means they planned to play the songs. They could have done whatever they wanted at the gig. Bands shuffle the deck on the fly all the time, then and now.
That said, we can be pretty certain they did play The Night Comes Down at some point, as we've heard 2 or 3 references to it now. But let's not discount the possibility of an unknown band in 1971 or 72 pulling out an acoustic guitar, a campy singer saying "we're going to do an original ballad for you now," and inebriated people screaming for them to play Zeppelin covers instead. I don't think they played their songs with acoustic back then until 1976 but who knows we don't have any evidence but I don't think they performed "The Night Comes Down" with acoustic guitar back then since the whole of the song wasn't with acoustic guitar there was only a short acoustic guitar intro for the song and I don't think Brian had enough time to play the song with acoustic guitar and then changes it with Red Special. Indeed, he wouldn't have changed guitars mid-song. It was one or the other, and either configuration would be interesting to hear.
|
|
|
|
Post by sheeerheartattack on Sept 24, 2020 3:40:10 GMT
I’ve been curious about this first headlining UK Tour Queen did and I’m even more curious about the fact on why there’s barely any recordings, does anyone have any idea why there isn’t any recordings (expect March Rainbow) from this tour?
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryan Newton on Sept 24, 2020 5:41:23 GMT
Still a relatively unknown band touring as headliners at university halls and ballrooms. Not exactly the attraction site of tapers. Main reason we have recordings from 1973 is because those were mostly Mott the Hoople tapers who also happened to tape the opening act.
|
|
