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Post by Jake12 on Jun 27, 2020 20:57:58 GMT
I can’t seem to find out which remaster uses the original multitrack tapes.. was it the 1993/94?
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Post by Golden Salmon on Jun 27, 2020 21:19:16 GMT
Don't quote me on this but I think the Hollywood Records versions were sourced from copies of the original masters. Then again, some of their remixes feature unused lines ("Fat Bottomed Girls", for instance) that are featured in the multitracks, so draw your own conclusions.
As for the 2011 remasters, did they really use the multitracks? I hear such a difference in mixing between the original tracks and the bonus tracks that it makes me think they didn't go back to the source but rather the stereo mixes. However, they did restore the missing bass drum in "Jealousy", which means they definitely accessed those tapes or their digital equivalent.
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Post by cmsdrums on Aug 6, 2020 21:20:14 GMT
I don’t think any of the remasters went back to the ‘multi tracks’ - there is no need to unless remixing - they did however try where possible to use the original stereo masters (certainly on the most recent Bob Ludwig masters.
As commented above, they did do a new version of Jealousy with restored bass drum, which I assume would have used the multi track to unmute the bass drum.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 25, 2020 0:50:18 GMT
At least some of the 2011 remasters absolutely did go back to the 24 track masters. Some mic pops were taken out of the first verse of It's Late - they must have had the isolated vocal to do that.
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Post by pg on Aug 25, 2020 11:57:05 GMT
all the surround mixes must have gone right back too, no?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 12:12:54 GMT
Yes, and that's why they had to turn to unused outtakes for 'Coming Soon', as they'd lost the original ones. Also 'Spread Your Wings' had to be 'faked' somehow, by simply spreading the stereo mix into 4.1 and leaving the centre channel silent.
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Post by mikusguitarius on Aug 29, 2020 16:34:02 GMT
'Remaster' and 'Remix' are NOT interchangeable. Two different processes ;-)
You remaster from the stereo (sometimes mono) master tape - not the multitracks :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 16:40:40 GMT
'Remaster' and 'Remix' are NOT interchangeable. Two different processes ;-) You remaster from the stereo (sometimes mono) master tape - not the multitracks :-) Yes but sometimes they first recreate the original mix from the multi-tracks and then that's what gets remastered. |
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Post by cmsdrums on Aug 29, 2020 20:52:38 GMT
But not here (other than the 5.1 editions which are remixes) - the main studio albums have not been remixed or had the original mixes recreated (which would be basically impossible to do without sounding markedly and obviously different, such as with the HD Mix of TeoTorriatte or the new edition of Mr Bad Guy).
IF they did use the original multitrack master tapes rather than the subsequent master stereo mix for the latest remasters, then the audio levels, EQ, effects etc were all already preset on the tapes and the final mixes not changed in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 23:06:13 GMT
Normally, yes: they get the original master-tapes of the final mix and remaster from there. Problems arise, however, when said master-tapes have been lost. I'm not saying that's the case with Queen, but it does happen sometimes.
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Post by pg on Aug 30, 2020 7:43:17 GMT
But not here (other than the 5.1 editions which are remixes) - the main studio albums have not been remixed or had the original mixes recreated (which would be basically impossible to do without sounding markedly and obviously different, such as with the HD Mix of TeoTorriatte or the new edition of Mr Bad Guy). IF they did use the original multitrack master tapes rather than the subsequent master stereo mix for the latest remasters, then the audio levels, EQ, effects etc were all already preset on the tapes and the final mixes not changed in any way. I thought I read an interview with Justin S-S, about the film music, that seemed to say that they'd worked through loads of songs recreating the original mixes digitally. But I may have misunderstood. |
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Post by cmsdrums on Aug 31, 2020 15:50:55 GMT
Yes, they did remix a lot of live tracks (and some studio) for the movie, but that’s different to the regular album releases which I thought were being discussed here.
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 1, 2020 19:32:22 GMT
'Remaster' and 'Remix' are NOT interchangeable. Two different processes ;-) You remaster from the stereo (sometimes mono) master tape - not the multitracks :-) Yes but sometimes they first recreate the original mix from the multi-tracks and then that's what gets remastered. But that wouldn't be a REmaster.... just a Master ;-) |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 1, 2020 20:03:11 GMT
As I understand it, a remaster is basically the originally mastered recording, but tweaked a bit to (sometimes) improve volume and EQ.
A remix is when they go right back to the original multitracks and create a new mix, sometimes altering the original individual tracks, or adding / removing bits that were / weren't in the original mix. That would then create a new master, which I guess is often referred to as a remaster as it would be different from the original master.
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Post by cmsdrums on Sept 1, 2020 20:37:53 GMT
As I understand it, a remaster is basically the originally mastered recording, but tweaked a bit to (sometimes) improve volume and EQ. A remix is when they go right back to the original multitracks and create a new mix, sometimes altering the original individual tracks, or adding / removing bits that were / weren't in the original mix. That would then create a new master, which I guess is often referred to as a remaster as it would be different from the original master. Good summary, though the final sentence is not quite correct. A ‘remaster’ will refer to a new mastering of the existing and previously issued stereo tracks. Any new mix from the original recorded tracks would not be a ‘remaster’ but, once mastered for the first time, will be a new master of a new mix. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 1, 2020 20:57:00 GMT
As I understand it, a remaster is basically the originally mastered recording, but tweaked a bit to (sometimes) improve volume and EQ. A remix is when they go right back to the original multitracks and create a new mix, sometimes altering the original individual tracks, or adding / removing bits that were / weren't in the original mix. That would then create a new master, which I guess is often referred to as a remaster as it would be different from the original master. Good summary, though the final sentence is not quite correct. A ‘remaster’ will refer to a new mastering of the existing and previously issued stereo tracks. Any new mix from the original recorded tracks would not be a ‘remaster’ but, once mastered for the first time, will be a new master of a new mix. Yeah, I just meant it's often referred to as a remaster, although it's actually a new master. I knew what I meant. 😁 |
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Post by Jake12 on Sept 1, 2020 23:24:15 GMT
I really wish Queen would do what they did for Mr Bad Guy 2019.. unlike MBG19 I would want them to keep the same sounds and effects done on instruments and vocals but have it sound more modern quality wise. That would be a great 50th 2020 release
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Post by cmsdrums on Sept 2, 2020 11:58:24 GMT
I really wish Queen would do what they did for Mr Bad Guy 2019.. unlike MBG19 I would want them to keep the same sounds and effects done on instruments and vocals but have it sound more modern quality wise. That would be a great 50th 2020 release The first couple of albums could do with remixing due to the limitations of the time (drums mainly) - and perhaps Hot Space presented like Mr Bad Guy with ‘real’ instruments - but out of any band from the 70s, Queen’s studio brilliance still sounds fresh and I can’t see anything else needing to be remixed. |
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