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Post by queen1970s on Aug 9, 2020 21:36:34 GMT
As I said before we can't compare the songs to each other. One of the important things that we have now is from John Deacon's interview with Bob Harris in a car in 1977 that he said most of the songs written before he joined the band this is probably one of the reasons that he hadn't any song written by himself on "Queen" album. Yeah he said apart from one or two numbers, if it genuinely was one or two songs than I reckon it must've been My Fairy King and Seven Seas Of Rhye. Well actually Seven Seas Of Rhye written in late 60s and My Fairy King was also on the band's rehearsals in 1970 but it never performed live
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Post by sylvian on Aug 9, 2020 22:21:19 GMT
Yeah he said apart from one or two numbers, if it genuinely was one or two songs than I reckon it must've been My Fairy King and Seven Seas Of Rhye. Well actually Seven Seas Of Rhye written in late 60s and My Fairy King was also on the band's rehearsals in 1970 but it never performed live Your source being?
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 9, 2020 23:49:37 GMT
Well actually Seven Seas Of Rhye written in late 60s and My Fairy King was also on the band's rehearsals in 1970 but it never performed live Your source being? All of the fans know that it's written in late 60s
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Post by Mustapha Ibrahim on Aug 9, 2020 23:50:30 GMT
Just a friendly question but, how is "all fans know this" a source?
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 9, 2020 23:54:54 GMT
Just a friendly question but, how is "all fans know this" a source? I think I heard it from a documentary. Ok better not to talk so much about them since this is a thread about "The Night Comes Down" and we don't want to do the similar thing with either Seven Seas Of Rhye and My Fairy King again
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 0:00:30 GMT
All fans being? Don't bring up random songs that are totally unrelated then back down when you get called out yet again for making stuff up. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd have enough reason to cite your sources.
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 0:02:17 GMT
All fans being? Don't bring up random songs that are totally unrelated then back down when you get called out yet again for making stuff up. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd have enough reason to cite your sources. What do you mean?
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 0:08:02 GMT
"Well actually Seven Seas Of Rhye written in late 60s and My Fairy King was also on the band's rehearsals in 1970 but it never performed live"
You are then asked to cite your sources
"All fans know this"
Once again, you are asked to prove this, then try to backtrack by using the original topic as an excuse. You have spent the entire thread spouting out multiple untruths and never at any point do you even try to back your statements up, only opting to continue repeating the same weightless statements ad-nauseam.
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 0:13:28 GMT
"Well actually Seven Seas Of Rhye written in late 60s and My Fairy King was also on the band's rehearsals in 1970 but it never performed live" You are then asked to cite your sources "All fans know this" Once again, you are asked to prove this, then try to backtrack by using the original topic as an excuse. You have spent the entire thread spouting out multiple untruths and never at any point do you even try to back your statements up, only opting to continue repeating the same weightless statements ad-nauseam. Sorry the way that you act is very rude and aggressive and you can't tell me that it's an execution. If you think you are the one that have the exact info then show them up. And no it's not an execution that I am trying to say to back to the original topic cause it's a thread about "The Night Comes Down" and I don't think it would be a good idea to make the discussion longer with talking about My Fairy King and Seven Seas Of Rhye. And also you can see in the above post that I've said I heard it from a documentary.
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Post by Mustapha Ibrahim on Aug 10, 2020 0:19:42 GMT
Do you remember which documentary? If so, hopefully we can get more information from it.
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Post by Mustapha Ibrahim on Aug 10, 2020 0:21:51 GMT
Also, the forum rules state:
"respect each other - personal/abusive attacks are not allowed - offending post will be removed and a warning issued. repeats will result in a permanent ban
if you disagree with the content of a thread, do so politely and logically."
So, just tone it down a bit.
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 0:23:08 GMT
Do you remember which documentary? If so, hopefully we can get more information from it. Probably Days of Our Lives, I don't know? What I am saying is I think we should refuse to make this discussion longer with talking about the Seven Seas Of Rhye and My Fairy King.
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 0:49:50 GMT
Also, the forum rules state: "respect each other - personal/abusive attacks are not allowed - offending post will be removed and a warning issued. repeats will result in a permanent ban if you disagree with the content of a thread, do so politely and logically." So, just tone it down a bit. I don't recall "personally attacking" this person, I am merely pointing out what he has been doing the entire thread. If he takes offense at that, that's his problem, not mine. I was being quite respectful in my analysis of his refusal to clarify his views.
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 0:50:59 GMT
Also, please do not pull the "if you know it, tell us" drivel on me. I know as much as you do, Queen1970s - nothing. I am more than capable of having an intelligent discussion, but excuse me if I have little patience for someone who continues to perpetuate something they dreamt up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 0:59:13 GMT
One of the important things that we have now is from John Deacon's interview with Bob Harris in a car in 1977 that he said most of the songs written before he joined the band this is probably one of the reasons that he hadn't any song written by himself on "Queen" album. Oh, but you said (in one of the posts you then deleted) that band members shouldn't be believed because they've made mistakes in the past. So, what is it? Should they or shouldn't they? Moreover, again, he said ' most'. 'The Night Comes Down' could've been created in December 1971 (which is what happened according to those who, unlike us, were there) and still most of the songs would've predated his arrival. Yeah he said apart from one or two numbers, if it genuinely was one or two songs than I reckon it must've been My Fairy King and Seven Seas Of Rhye. But there you're mixing a quote with what you reckon. 'One or two songs' could've also been 'three' (or one of the 'one or two' could've been 'The Night Comes Down', which seems to have been the case according to what's been claimed by those who, unlike us, were there), just like Frederick introduced 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' saying it had three chords but it was actually six. I think I heard it from a documentary. Oh, but you said (in one of the posts you then deleted) that band members shouldn't be believed because they've made mistakes in the past. So is it a documentary more believable than a live witness? Probably Days of Our Lives, I don't know? Oh, but you said (in one of the posts you then deleted) that band members shouldn't be believed because they've made mistakes in the past. So is it a documentary more believable than a live witness? How does that work? Moreover, saying 'I saw it in a documentary' does not count as evidence; neither does 'probably Days of Our Lives. If it's actually there, you could show us where exactly and who says it (although, according to your own claims, we shouldn't believe even band members because fans allegedly know better, according to one of the posts you deleted).
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 1:02:03 GMT
The fact of the matter is *nobody* here knows for sure when TNCD was written.
No one.
The only thing we can assume is that it was written in the interim between Queen's formation in the first half of 1970 and their recordings at De Lane Lea in December 1971. It can be *assumed* (not guaranteed) that it could've even been written prior to both of these dates, but the fact remains is that we don't know for sure because we have absolutely nothing to work with. That's the difference between this and My Fairy King and Seven Seas of Rhye, which both have something going for them regarding their creation, even if it's incredibly minor things like how SSOR wasn't even finished by the time the band were recording the self-titled throughout 1972.
And minor things such as that gives much more credibility to the genesis of their creation than a meager "I saw it in a documentary" or "I read it on Wikipedia".
Facts matter, and it's up to all of us to get them right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 1:07:41 GMT
...but the fact remains is that we don't know for sure because we have absolutely nothing to work with. We do have something: a comment published in the spring 1980 issue of the OIQFC magazine in which there's a statement claiming that it was 'the first track the band really created in the studio.'
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 1:12:39 GMT
...but the fact remains is that we don't know for sure because we have absolutely nothing to work with. We do have something: a comment published in the spring 1980 issue of the OIQFC magazine in which there's a statement claiming that it was 'the first track the band really created in the studio.' And that's absolutely where my last statement truly matters, because there's always something to learn. You get a more concrete idea from stuff like this, so it's great that the info's out there, no matter how little it is.
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 1:13:53 GMT
I think a faster way of settling this would be to ask Brian himself, if that's still possible. I have zero clue if he still does the whole Soapbox thing or not.
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 1:16:54 GMT
Also, the forum rules state: "respect each other - personal/abusive attacks are not allowed - offending post will be removed and a warning issued. repeats will result in a permanent ban if you disagree with the content of a thread, do so politely and logically." So, just tone it down a bit. I don't recall "personally attacking" this person, I am merely pointing out what he has been doing the entire thread. If he takes offense at that, that's his problem, not mine. I was being quite respectful in my analysis of his refusal to clarify his views. I'm a peaceful guy and I dare to say you acted very aggressive so I'm not the one whom acted offensive. And also what do you mean "I am merely pointing out that what he has been doing the entire thread" ?
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Post by sylvian on Aug 10, 2020 1:19:18 GMT
What you think I did does not necessarily mean I actually acted in such a manner. Of what relevance does it have to the discussion? I'm not interested in repeating myself over and over again, so please refrain from trying to pursue this argument.
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 1:24:33 GMT
I think a faster way of settling this would be to ask Brian himself, if that's still possible. I have zero clue if he still does the whole Soapbox thing or not. I tried this so much he doesn't answer at all. That's how the most celebrities are, they won't answer the messages
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 1:27:53 GMT
What you think I did does not necessarily mean I actually acted in such a manner. Of what relevance does it have to the discussion? I'm not interested in repeating myself over and over again, so please refrain from trying to pursue this argument. Look I don't like any argument so just nevermind what you and me said
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 1:31:26 GMT
I tried this so much he doesn't answer at all. That's how the most celebrities are, they won't answer the messages But even if he did answer, you claimed his testimony should be dismissed because (according to one of your deleted posts) fans knew better than the artists themselves. Why dismiss a 1980 quote (less than a decade after the song was created) but believe a 2020 one (almost half a century after the fact)?
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 1:34:30 GMT
One of the important things that we have now is from John Deacon's interview with Bob Harris in a car in 1977 that he said most of the songs written before he joined the band this is probably one of the reasons that he hadn't any song written by himself on "Queen" album. Oh, but you said (in one of the posts you then deleted) that band members shouldn't be believed because they've made mistakes in the past. So, what is it? Should they or shouldn't they? Moreover, again, he said ' most'. 'The Night Comes Down' could've been created in December 1971 (which is what happened according to those who, unlike us, were there) and still most of the songs would've predated his arrival. Yeah he said apart from one or two numbers, if it genuinely was one or two songs than I reckon it must've been My Fairy King and Seven Seas Of Rhye. But there you're mixing a quote with what you reckon. 'One or two songs' could've also been 'three' (or one of the 'one or two' could've been 'The Night Comes Down', which seems to have been the case according to what's been claimed by those who, unlike us, were there), just like Frederick introduced 'Crazy Little Thing Called Love' saying it had three chords but it was actually six. I think I heard it from a documentary. Oh, but you said (in one of the posts you then deleted) that band members shouldn't be believed because they've made mistakes in the past. So is it a documentary more believable than a live witness? Probably Days of Our Lives, I don't know? Oh, but you said (in one of the posts you then deleted) that band members shouldn't be believed because they've made mistakes in the past. So is it a documentary more believable than a live witness? How does that work? Moreover, saying 'I saw it in a documentary' does not count as evidence; neither does 'probably Days of Our Lives. If it's actually there, you could show us where exactly and who says it (although, according to your own claims, we shouldn't believe even band members because fans allegedly know better, according to one of the posts you deleted). I'm actually meant that about Brian and Roger and it's very natural for them to forget this things they're getting older and they will forget most of the informations but that interview done in that era, that "The Night Comes Down" wrote so they had some opportunities to remember that better back then
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 1:35:37 GMT
I tried this so much he doesn't answer at all. That's how the most celebrities are, they won't answer the messages But even if he did answer, you claimed his testimony should be dismissed because (according to one of your deleted posts) fans knew better than the artists themselves. Why dismiss a 1980 quote (less than a decade after the song was created) but believe a 2020 one (almost half a century after the fact)? Would you please share a pic of that magazine?
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 1:41:59 GMT
I tried this so much he doesn't answer at all. That's how the most celebrities are, they won't answer the messages But even if he did answer, you claimed his testimony should be dismissed because (according to one of your deleted posts) fans knew better than the artists themselves. Why dismiss a 1980 quote (less than a decade after the song was created) but believe a 2020 one (almost half a century after the fact)? Maybe his memory don't help so much but he probably has a diary that he wrote that there something like " I wrote a song today called The Night Comes Down". He probably had a diary we're not sure. I'm also realized that according to your says the magazine said "that's the first song that the BAND made in studio" they didn't mention "the first song that BRIAN made in studio" so this would be probably a description about "Stone Cold Crazy" as it was the first song that the band made in studio, however most of the "Stone Cold Crazy" written by Freddie during his days with Wreckage
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 1:48:09 GMT
Would you please share a pic of that magazine? Sure: click here to see it. ... so this would be probably a description about "Stone Cold Crazy" as it was the first song that the band made in studio, however most of the "Stone Cold Crazy" written by Freddie during his days with Wreckage 1. They're talking about 'The Night Comes Down', not about 'Stone Cold Crazy', as they're replying to a question about 'The Night Comes Down', not about 'Stone Cold Crazy'. 2. 'Stone Cold Crazy' was not the first song the band made in the studio - it was the first one they played live, but they didn't commit it to tape until the third album. Sources: Frederick Mercury interviewed by Circus (in fact he said they'd initially thought of not recording it at all), Brian May's official website (the post is from 1998 so it's not there anymore, but I'd transcribed it for early versions of my website). I'm actually meant that about Brian and Roger and it's very natural for them to forget this things they're getting older and they will forget most of the informations but that interview done in that era, that "The Night Comes Down" wrote so they had some opportunities to remember that better back then Then why seek a 2020 answer from him if you say it's not reliable? If a comment from 1980 is not trustworthy according to your standards (odd standards, though, because Wikipedia did pass that threshold of yours for some reason), then what good would a 2020 one do?
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Post by queen1970s on Aug 10, 2020 7:32:22 GMT
Ok we don't go anywhere with this discussion. So I think we need some helps from the experienced accounts
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