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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 22, 2020 23:07:43 GMT
I‘ve seen QAL in Wembley Arena 2018 for 69£. GA Tickets are still not that much more. My tickets for Q+AL were £170 each. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 23:09:51 GMT
I‘ve seen QAL in Wembley Arena 2018 for 69£. GA Tickets are still not that much more. My tickets for Q+AL were £170 each. Which tour and venue? Seat or standing? |
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Post by Ri on Aug 23, 2020 8:29:34 GMT
If they would be money grappers, they could simply open their vaults and throw out live albums and DVDs with Freddie and demos and alternate takes etc. with nearly no effort. Since they don't do that, I find it hard to call them money grappers. I never thought about it that way before but it's true! Good perspective... By saying their QAL business model is money-grabbing then it's saying the other alternative is less profitable, which means their choice is justified. Or, it's the other way around. It's just contradictory otherwise. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 23, 2020 8:41:29 GMT
My tickets for Q+AL were £170 each. Which tour and venue? Seat or standing? O2 London. Seated. 2020 (now 2021). |
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Post by vh on Aug 23, 2020 8:55:14 GMT
When it comes to ticket prices, you're now talking about blowing in excess of £200 to see one of the major acts such as Q+AL or Genesis. It's not just the cost of the ticket you have to consider but the price of travel to the gig, parking, possibly a drink / meal while you're there, and all the other associated expenses. If you're talking about a family going, then you're looking at somewhere in the region of £800 for a night out. Most average working families couldn't afford that outlay, so it could be said that ticket prices are making gigs restrictive to all but the most affluent fans. I think this has got a lot to do with the way that music is marketed these days, as bands don't make as much money out of Spotify and the like, and because of those streaming services, CD sales have plummeted in recent years. In very general terms, the only way that artists can make any real money these days is by touring, and I guess that's at least partly what has pushed up the ticket prices. I went to see Iron Maiden at the O2 a couple of years ago, and the tickets were about £65 each for decent enough seats. They put on a fantastic show, with suspended aircraft on stage, and several different sets throughout the performance. It would take some explaining to convince me that at three times the ticket price, Queen or Genesis will be providing the same kind of value at their upcoming shows. In answer to your question about the difference between Iron Maiden's production and Queen. The answer is production size and quality. Saying quality doesn't mean the Maiden show wasn't great. On the European/UK Iron Maiden tour the show filled 11 40ft trailers, the postponed Queen dates would have required 26 trucks. The Iron Maiden stage is a flat 60x40ft standard platform. Their 3 sided set (up stage and left and right raised walkways have been the same for years and are simple locking scaffold. The changing set is made of traditional theatre drapes which are painted (as are the walkway fronts) and flown in or revealed as needed. The spitfire which opened the show was an inflatable (looked and worked great). Their lighting while being extensive was fairly standard and used an out of the box truss arrangement. They toured with about 50 crew and hired in about the same number of in house crew for each show. In comparison the Queen+AL show uses an 80x50ft stage plus a 50ft thrust and B stage. The stage was specifically designed for the current production. The Queen production uses a lot of video technology, five upstage screens and the large crescent downstage screen. Part of Queen's lighting rig has been designed and built into the upstage video screens, so that either the lighting or the screen disappears depending which is being used at the time. Four of the up stage screens used in the Queen tour are mobile, up down, back and forwards and tilt. The downstage screen raises and lowers as needed. Within the stage platform are two lifts used by Brian and Adam. As well as the above mentioned lighting they also have an over head colour wash and spot system. This part of the rig has the ability to track (follow) Brian and Adam around the stage by use of small stransmitters attached to the performers. Queen have a larger and more complex monitoring system than Iron Maided, part in ear part live. Another point about the downstage video screen Queen use is that the video technology used is expensive giving an almost 3D image (think Frank on the last tour). Crew numbers are huge 80 on tour staff, and about 120 local crew at each venue. . . . There is is so much more to an arena show than what most of the audience see! |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 23, 2020 9:27:52 GMT
When it comes to ticket prices, you're now talking about blowing in excess of £200 to see one of the major acts such as Q+AL or Genesis. It's not just the cost of the ticket you have to consider but the price of travel to the gig, parking, possibly a drink / meal while you're there, and all the other associated expenses. If you're talking about a family going, then you're looking at somewhere in the region of £800 for a night out. Most average working families couldn't afford that outlay, so it could be said that ticket prices are making gigs restrictive to all but the most affluent fans. I think this has got a lot to do with the way that music is marketed these days, as bands don't make as much money out of Spotify and the like, and because of those streaming services, CD sales have plummeted in recent years. In very general terms, the only way that artists can make any real money these days is by touring, and I guess that's at least partly what has pushed up the ticket prices. I went to see Iron Maiden at the O2 a couple of years ago, and the tickets were about £65 each for decent enough seats. They put on a fantastic show, with suspended aircraft on stage, and several different sets throughout the performance. It would take some explaining to convince me that at three times the ticket price, Queen or Genesis will be providing the same kind of value at their upcoming shows. In answer to your question about the difference between Iron Maiden's production and Queen. The answer is production size and quality. Saying quality doesn't mean the Maiden show wasn't great. On the European/UK Iron Maiden tour the show filled 11 40ft trailers, the postponed Queen dates would have required 26 trucks. The Iron Maiden stage is a flat 60x40ft standard platform. Their 3 sided set (up stage and left and right raised walkways have been the same for years and are simple locking scaffold. The changing set is made of traditional theatre drapes which are painted (as are the walkway fronts) and flown in or revealed as needed. The spitfire which opened the show was an inflatable (looked and worked great). Their lighting while being extensive was fairly standard and used an out of the box truss arrangement. They toured with about 50 crew and hired in about the same number of in house crew for each show. In comparison the Queen+AL show uses an 80x50ft stage plus a 50ft thrust and B stage. The stage was specifically designed for the current production. The Queen production uses a lot of video technology, five upstage screens and the large crescent downstage screen. Part of Queen's lighting rig has been designed and built into the upstage video screens, so that either the lighting or the screen disappears depending which is being used at the time. Four of the up stage screens used in the Queen tour are mobile, up down, back and forwards and tilt. The downstage screen raises and lowers as needed. Within the stage platform are two lifts used by Brian and Adam. As well as the above mentioned lighting they also have an over head colour wash and spot system. This part of the rig has the ability to track (follow) Brian and Adam around the stage by use of small stransmitters attached to the performers. Queen have a larger and more complex monitoring system than Iron Maided, part in ear part live. Another point about the downstage video screen Queen use is that the video technology used is expensive giving an almost 3D image (think Frank on the last tour). Crew numbers are huge 80 on tour staff, and about 120 local crew at each venue. . . . There is is so much more to an arena show than what most of the audience see! Thanks for that insight. It's interesting when put into perspective. I knew it wasn't a real Spitfire. 😉😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 9:38:25 GMT
QAL have a real Harley on stage. 😉
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Aug 23, 2020 9:42:55 GMT
Ok, two points:
"it sometimes is beyond the artist control. "
No, when we're talking about a band at the level of Queen, it absolutely is not. They can dictate any restrictions on ticket prices they want - they are not a band that is tied down by a contract that gives their label outsized control.
"The other controlling factor is the size of the production a big show like the Q+AL show costs a huge amount to staff and run"
It does. It is one of the things I absolutely hate about many modern tours - waaaay too much emphasis on the disproportionately expensive 'couleur locale', waaay too little emphasis on the music. This needlessly inflates the prices, and has basically ruined all the bigger live acts for me. But still, I cannot believe that the excessive prices I have seen are justified and, even if they are, it cannot be reasonably argued that the intent is to reach broader audiences when the ticket prices restrict access to, basically, the rich. There are other acts that charge extortionate amounts, and that's equally reprehensible.
The high prices are a reflection of the point the industry is at. despite what you think it remains a fact that many big tours ticket price levels are the choice of the promoter. The vastly inflated prices are often, as I stated, the result of individual ticket agencies, the example I gave being a case in point. How can you be sure Queen+ AL have total control over their promoter and the choice of prices. Back in the mid to late 70's and into the 80's Queen were one of the bands who presented a big, and expensive for the time, show. They continue to do so. Their production has always been big on lighting and from 84 a physical stage set. What they present now is a continuation of that kind of show. I understand your view, but being a fan at what point did you change your mind about big productions?
1) If they cared about the ticket prices, they could easily have added a clause to their contracts for each (set of) gigs setting a cap on ticket prices. Acts like Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers did it for decades. It is a simple fact that any act big enough to set terms (and Queen is undoubtedly big enough for that) can demand price caps - the promoter is limited by the contractual terms as much as the artist is, and the balance of power is definitely in favor of Queen in any negotiations about them.
2) I never changed my mind about this - I always regretted the fact that so much money was spent (IMHO, wasted) on what I regard as pointless frills in Queen's later career. Yes, what they are doing now is a continuation, but the continuation of a movement away from the music and towards the presentation. I just think something is badly wrong when you can buy a decent guitar for the same price or less than a ticket to a concert.
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Post by Dimitris on Aug 23, 2020 11:12:33 GMT
When it comes to ticket prices, you're now talking about blowing in excess of £200 to see one of the major acts such as Q+AL or Genesis. It's not just the cost of the ticket you have to consider but the price of travel to the gig, parking, possibly a drink / meal while you're there, and all the other associated expenses. If you're talking about a family going, then you're looking at somewhere in the region of £800 for a night out. Most average working families couldn't afford that outlay, so it could be said that ticket prices are making gigs restrictive to all but the most affluent fans. I think this has got a lot to do with the way that music is marketed these days, as bands don't make as much money out of Spotify and the like, and because of those streaming services, CD sales have plummeted in recent years. In very general terms, the only way that artists can make any real money these days is by touring, and I guess that's at least partly what has pushed up the ticket prices. I went to see Iron Maiden at the O2 a couple of years ago, and the tickets were about £65 each for decent enough seats. They put on a fantastic show, with suspended aircraft on stage, and several different sets throughout the performance. It would take some explaining to convince me that at three times the ticket price, Queen or Genesis will be providing the same kind of value at their upcoming shows. Having seen Iron Maiden from 1988 up today, I believe that their last tour Legacy of the beast along with some previous tours, only one good thing had which was better sounding for Iron Maiden sound standards. The rest was bad taste kitch show in my opinion. They did and still do what back catalogue bands do the last 20 years, best of tours, almost with the same list. The price of the tickets comes from the record company, promoter and the band fee. So it is not the bands who is to blame. In case of Queen and Adam, their production is great at the same level with as Metallica. |
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 23, 2020 20:33:25 GMT
Would you have rather see them retire in 1997 like Deacy? Or continue to bring the music to the masses, regain Amaerica, have world tours? What is pathetic about trying to conquer America? Why am I even wasting my life replying to a clear troll from Queenzone. Please Mods, lets not this start to become an infestation of hate like the last forum. They should’ve retired in 1991. The music was with Freddie. i have nothing against Adam, I think he’s talented and respectful of Freddie. But I don’t consider tribute bands “bringing the music to the masses”. I see it as bringing bastardized “covers” and kind of sad. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 25, 2020 0:42:24 GMT
"it sometimes is beyond the artist control. "
No, when we're talking about a band at the level of Queen, it absolutely is not. They can dictate any restrictions on ticket prices they want - they are not a band that is tied down by a contract that gives their label outsized control.
"The other controlling factor is the size of the production a big show like the Q+AL show costs a huge amount to staff and run"
It does. It is one of the things I absolutely hate about many modern tours - waaaay too much emphasis on the disproportionately expensive 'couleur locale', waaay too little emphasis on the music. This needlessly inflates the prices, and has basically ruined all the bigger live acts for me. But still, I cannot believe that the excessive prices I have seen are justified and, even if they are, it cannot be reasonably argued that the intent is to reach broader audiences when the ticket prices restrict access to, basically, the rich. There are other acts that charge extortionate amounts, and that's equally reprehensible.
Understandable criticism. But when these guys are playing a show with 30-50 year old songs, they need to find new and creative ways of doing it. They cost money.
They could have gone the theatre route and played their obscure songs under six lights, but they want to reach as many people as possible as long as they're alive. It's not like Pearl Jam where they can minimize the production. If the man on the street is who they're after, then they need to wow the audience with the production at least as much as the music.
Indeed, the band can restrict the ticket prices - but there are still middlemen (namely Ticketmaster and Live Nation) who get a bigger cut than the artist. And with the costs of production being what they are, it's why ticket prices are what they are.
Myself, I would've preferred to see them in theatres, but that's not the path they chose. And they chose that path long before Freddie died. The album tracks were pretty well gone from their set by 1980.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 25, 2020 0:52:57 GMT
Would you have rather see them retire in 1997 like Deacy? Or continue to bring the music to the masses, regain Amaerica, have world tours? What is pathetic about trying to conquer America? Why am I even wasting my life replying to a clear troll from Queenzone. Please Mods, lets not this start to become an infestation of hate like the last forum. They should’ve retired in 1991. The music was with Freddie. i have nothing against Adam, I think he’s talented and respectful of Freddie. But I don’t consider tribute bands “bringing the music to the masses”. I see it as bringing bastardized “covers” and kind of sad. How is the current version of Queen, consisting of its two founding members who wrote half the songs, a tribute band ? That's an absolutely silly and completely false label to apply to them.
Black Sabbath were Black Sabbath in the 80s when only Tony Iommi was in the band. Deep Purple are still Deep Purple with only one member who played on the first album. AC/DC was still AC/DC when Angus was the only original member. I can go on and on.
If you don't want to see shows because some of the original members aren't around, that's fine. But they are not tribute bands. Tribute bands didn't write the songs.
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Post by wijnand on Aug 25, 2020 7:38:10 GMT
I am so glad they didn't retire... For me it's always better to see two of my hero's than none...
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Post by soxtalon on Aug 26, 2020 5:41:57 GMT
I have never understood the "they should have retired after (1991, 1995, 1997 whatever). For those who believe that, this isn't for you. And to say that sounds pretty selfish and self centered. You don't like it. Fine. I get that. Absolutely your right not to. But like it or not, Brian and Roger seem to be enjoying themselves. They are touring to great numbers who also seem to be enjoying it. So who is anyone to say that someone "should have" retired. It's simple. Brian and Roger get to decide how they want to present the band in it's current formation. They have earned that right more than anyone alive outside of John Deacon who as far as we know isn't actively working against it. You have earned the right as a fan to not listen, not go to the tour, not like the decision. Fans who DO enjoy it, have far more of a right to enjoy what's happening, than your opinion of "should have retired"
And this is coming from someone who would WELL prefer anything archival or solo albums or solo tours from Brian and Roger than anything QAL. I also did go to QAL and enjoyed myself fine. I will purchase the album as I have most everything Queen-related (music-wise). And while I certainly get the frustration with wanting a product that will knock our socks off from the archive, I don't subscribe to how it relates to B&R's current activities.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 26, 2020 6:49:14 GMT
...and much more importantly, those who keep saying they should "stop touring and release some archive stuff instead." the only way artists actually earn money these days is touring.
releasing albums makes no money.
i don't like QAL (or Q+PR - a great vocalist with Free/Bad Co) - neither vocal sound does it for me with Queen songs - but i fully support their right to perform as Queen and do what they want. People forget (far too easily) Freddie and John joined Brian and Roger's band. okay, Freddie christened it Queen, but without Brian and Roger, Freddie was jumping from one ill-conceived project to another and would never had a vehicle structured for success.
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Post by katydyd5 on Aug 26, 2020 16:08:30 GMT
I am so glad they didn't retire... For me it's always better to see two of my hero's than none... Aug 26, 2020 1:41:57 GMT -4 soxtalon said: I have never understood the "they should have retired after (1991, 1995, 1997 whatever). For those who believe that, this isn't for you. And to say that sounds pretty selfish and self centered. You don't like it. Fine. I get that. Absolutely your right not to. But like it or not, Brian and Roger seem to be enjoying themselves. They are touring to great numbers who also seem to be enjoying it. So who is anyone to say that someone "should have" retired. It's simple. Brian and Roger get to decide how they want to present the band in it's current formation. They have earned that right more than anyone alive outside of John Deacon who as far as we know isn't actively working against it. You have earned the right as a fan to not listen, not go to the tour, not like the decision. Fans who DO enjoy it, have far more of a right to enjoy what's happening, than your opinion of "should have retired" And this is coming from someone who would WELL prefer anything archival or solo albums or solo tours from Brian and Roger than anything QAL. I also did go to QAL and enjoyed myself fine. I will purchase the album as I have most everything Queen-related (music-wise). And while I certainly get the frustration with wanting a product that will knock our socks off from the archive, I don't subscribe to how it relates to B&R's current activities. Aug 26, 2020 2:49:14 GMT -4 вяейski said: . but i fully support their right to perform as Queen and do what they want. People forget (far too easily) Freddie and John joined Brian and Roger's band. okay, Freddie christened it Queen, but without Brian and Roger, Freddie was jumping from one ill-conceived project to another and would never had a vehicle structured for success. Clearly I don't know how to put multiple quotes in one post, but that's beside the point. All three of these people made great points. I never saw Queen when Freddie was with them, and that's not because I'm not old enough, it's because they weren't on my radar. Blasphemy, I know. I have seen Queen +AL and I'm so glad I did. I'd rather have seen two Queen members than none at all, and the concert was one of the best I've seen. I will probably purchase the DVD/CD combo because I enjoy building my collection. It seems simple enough to me, if you don't like Queen +AL, don't make the purchase. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 26, 2020 16:21:52 GMT
Clearly I don't know how to put multiple quotes in one post, but that's beside the point. All three of these people made great points. I never saw Queen when Freddie was with them, and that's not because I'm not old enough, it's because they weren't on my radar. Blasphemy, I know. I have seen Queen +AL and I'm so glad I did. I'd rather have seen two Queen members than none at all, and the concert was one of the best I've seen. I will probably purchase the DVD/CD combo because I enjoy building my collection. It seems simple enough to me, if you don't like Queen +AL, don't make the purchase. you make an excellent point. for all of those who say "they should've stopped in 1991", what would that leave? a dead band consigned to history. and - even if every single rare outtake/demo/wip had been released, and these had somehow made money for the band, the well would've run dry 20 years ago...and then where would we be? i'll tell you - there'd be those fans who begged for everything to be released - who would now be demanding: "is that it? why don't they tour anymore? they're so selfish, they never think of the fans"Brian & Roger can;t win with some folk. katydyd5 as regards the Multiquote facility - it's easy enough once you get the hang of it. so let's say you want to quote 3 posts: ♦ find the first post > click the cog (top right corner of post) > choose Select Post♦ find the next post > click the cog (top right corner of post) > choose Select Post♦ find the next post > click the cog (top right corner of post) > choose Select Post♦ when all have been selected > in the third/final post click the Quote button |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 16:33:46 GMT
I think it's great that they do something they love, do it well and make thousands of people happy. They're showing us that life doesn't end at 50, 60 or 70.
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Post by georg on Aug 26, 2020 17:39:47 GMT
Agreed with all the non-cynics. Now, I genuinely believe that Queen would be dead and buried had Cozy Powell not died. I think Cozy was the backbone of Brian's solo career, and Brian certainly believed so: it's no coincidence that after Cozy died and Brian finished the tour in support of Another World that he vowed off of further solo albums and tours. It's also no coincidence that around that same time Brian started working with Roger again, and realized that 2 out of 4 Queenies ain't bad for some folk...
My more concise point is that Brian and Roger are enjoying themselves, and they're making money while pleasing thousands of fans who never got the chance to see Queen, whether they're too young and were introduced by way of the movie (or their parents), they just weren't lucky enough to see Queen, or they're the aforementioned parents who are bonding with their child and reliving their youth, even if it's not an exact replica. For that reason, whoever Brian and Roger decide they want to perform with – so long as that confounded "+" is after Queen and before the guest artist – is fine with me.
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Post by Sakura4anime25 on Aug 26, 2020 19:18:35 GMT
I think it is also worth noting that, even if Brian and Roger are going the whole Q+AL thing *just* for the money (which I personally don't think is the case), they are still putting a lot of hard work and effort into these quality (from a technical standpoint at least, even if you don't care for them) shows with high production values rather than just putting out quick, lazy, easy things (not that smaller scale necessarily = lazy though, of course). I mean they are in their 70's, it can't be easy for them to continue touring and performing these big shows like this at their ages, but they are dedicated to continuing to put in that work. As for me personally, yeah of course I would have preferred to be able to see them with Freddie Brian Roger and John, but I was not alive at that time so I didn't have that chance, so I am happy that I at least had the opportunity to see two of them live.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 20:31:16 GMT
I'll consider myself lucky if I manage to have all that energy when I'm 40, let alone 71 - 73.
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Post by katydyd5 on Aug 26, 2020 20:52:10 GMT
katydyd5 as regards the Multiquote facility - it's easy enough once you get the hang of it. so let's say you want to quote 3 posts: ♦ find the first post > click the cog (top right corner of post) > choose Select Post♦ find the next post > click the cog (top right corner of post) > choose Select Post♦ find the next post > click the cog (top right corner of post) > choose Select Post♦ when all have been selected > in the third/final post click the Quote button Thanks!! |
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Post by georg on Aug 27, 2020 12:32:55 GMT
I'll consider myself lucky if I manage to have all that energy when I'm 40, let alone 71 - 73. I'm 37 and I can barely make it through a 45-minute elliptical workout without wanting to die, so anyone their age and going at it for two-plus hours a night has my utmost respect. |
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Post by staysweet on Aug 27, 2020 19:15:33 GMT
i'll tell you - there'd be those fans who begged for everything to be released - who would now be demanding: "is that it? why don't they tour anymore? they're so selfish, they never think of the fans"Brian & Roger can;t win with some folk. YES!!! This is so true...if they didn’t tour they would get criticism, if they do tour it’s never right. You can’t please all of the people all of the time. I’m just glad they are enjoying themselves and that there are many people out there enjoying what they do too. |
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 27, 2020 20:01:41 GMT
Can I make a polite request that people consider not stating the obvious that Brian and Roger have a right to do what they’re doing?
I don’t think ONE PERSON here has ever claimed they don’t have the right.
Obviously this is about whether we believe these are genuine or respectable choices.
If some do or don’t want to judge, that is their right too.
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 27, 2020 20:04:08 GMT
i'll tell you - there'd be those fans who begged for everything to be released - who would now be demanding: "is that it? why don't they tour anymore? they're so selfish, they never think of the fans"Brian & Roger can;t win with some folk. YES!!! This is so true...if they didn’t tour they would get criticism, if they do tour it’s never right. You can’t please all of the people all of the time. I’m just glad they are enjoying themselves and that there are many people out there enjoying what they do too. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 27, 2020 21:07:44 GMT
Can I make a polite request that people consider not stating the obvious that Brian and Roger have a right to do what they’re doing?
I don’t think ONE PERSON here has ever claimed they don’t have the right.
Obviously this is about whether we believe these are genuine or respectable choices.
If some do or don’t want to judge, that is their right too. i disagree. by virtue of the fact that you've agreed that it is their right to tour, then it is (by default) a respectable choice. consequently, i doubt for one second that a decision to tour would be anything but genuine. can you elaborate upon the context/situation where you feel it may not be genuine? |
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Post by staysweet on Aug 27, 2020 21:28:16 GMT
You definitely have a right not to like AL, or not to like the fact that they call themselves Queen without all the original members, or that they are just looking for money. Those are based on your feelings about them, not on something you can back up with data. I would call those opinions, not really criticism. But I still say that you can’t give everyone positive opinions all of the time. Not saying they aren’t valid, but for some people they enjoy having a negative opinion no matter what the band does!😊
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 27, 2020 21:33:50 GMT
Can I make a polite request that people consider not stating the obvious that Brian and Roger have a right to do what they’re doing?
I don’t think ONE PERSON here has ever claimed they don’t have the right.
Obviously this is about whether we believe these are genuine or respectable choices.
If some do or don’t want to judge, that is their right too. i disagree. by virtue of the fact that you've agreed that it is their right to tour, then it is (by default) a respectable choice. consequently, i doubt for one second that a decision to tour would be anything but genuine. can you elaborate upon the context/situation where you feel it may not be genuine?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 27, 2020 21:47:51 GMT
i disagree. by virtue of the fact that you've agreed that it is their right to tour, then it is (by default) a respectable choice. consequently, i doubt for one second that a decision to tour would be anything but genuine. can you elaborate upon the context/situation where you feel it may not be genuine?
Just because one can, doesn’t mean they should.
If it’s a money grab, that’s not genuine or respectable.Unless you have a reason for using large fonts, such as a visual impairment, could I respectfully ask that you use normal sized fonts in posts? Thanks. 🙂 |
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