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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 30, 2020 22:54:16 GMT
Listen, they say themselves that Queen was an amalgamation of all four of them. They may have thought they all were equally contributory but I believe Freddie certainly was more than 50% of what made Queen, Queen... and the 3 of them dividing up the other half. Of course they said that at the time - it was good PR to show band unity. But that isn't objective reality, because bands have changed members and kept their names since the 1950s. It is your opinion that Freddie was more than 50% of Queen. It is therefore your opinion that the "tribute band" label is thus to be applied to the current incarnation of Queen. It is not your opinion vs. someone else's opinion. It is your opinion vs. facts. And you seem to be unable to differentiate between the two. No matter how you personally define things, a band containing members of the original band is not a tribute band. And you aren't going to convince anyone even remotely musically literate otherwise. So knock it off - this is your last warning. Ok, I will have shut up because you are unfairly threatening to ban me because I disagree with you and apparently disagreement is ”trolling”. |
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 30, 2020 22:56:43 GMT
I disagree. You're saying that Queen isn't what they used to be and they're paying tribute. There are more people in the band now, but that doesn't change a thing. Brian and Roger are still here. They're still Queen doing concerts for their fans. If Queen wants more members, that's fine. Just because there are new songs in the setlists and more members doesn't make a band a "tribute" one. Evidently I'm not allowed to respond without being banned. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 30, 2020 23:28:18 GMT
People do not come to the show for the 2 minutes of video screen footage of Freddie. That is by far the stupidest thing written on this forum to date - congratulations. If you don't stop wasting webspace with this nonsense, you're going to get banned. This is borderline trolling now. Whoa, whoa. I’m trolling because I don't agree with you and I'm gonna get banned for it? You’re gonna use your admin power to ban people who debate and agree with you? No, they come for the screen footage AND the way Adam is reminiscent of and reminds them of Freddie Let's put it this way. Most wouldn't come just to hear Roger and Brian singing the songs, or anyone that was too unlike Freddie. Depends where you are - I suspect you're American. In the UK and Europe they could almost certainly sell out stadiums singing the songs themselves with a cardboard cutout of Freddie. Queen have been second to The Beatles there for decades.
People in North America may like Lambert, but he is very little of the draw in Europe. When they toured with Paul Rodgers, it was entirely because of Brian and Roger that they sold out stadiums in Europe because Free and Bad Company weren't overly popular there. Most of Rodgers' songs got the golf clap, whilst in North America they got equal reaction to the biggest Queen songs.
And nobody was calling it a tribute band then. They may not have liked the band's direction, but that term wasn't being thrown around. This is a recent development, probably because of the proliferation of actual tribute bands since then.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 30, 2020 23:33:40 GMT
Of course they said that at the time - it was good PR to show band unity. But that isn't objective reality, because bands have changed members and kept their names since the 1950s. It is your opinion that Freddie was more than 50% of Queen. It is therefore your opinion that the "tribute band" label is thus to be applied to the current incarnation of Queen. It is not your opinion vs. someone else's opinion. It is your opinion vs. facts. And you seem to be unable to differentiate between the two. No matter how you personally define things, a band containing members of the original band is not a tribute band. And you aren't going to convince anyone even remotely musically literate otherwise. So knock it off - this is your last warning. Ok, I will have shut up because you are unfairly threatening to ban me because I disagree with you and apparently disagreement is ”trolling”. Straw man argument. This has nothing to do with "disagreeing." Disagreeing implies an even playing field where two equally valid opinions are being posed. This is not the case here.
On this subject you've tried to impose your opinions on others for several pages despite the clearly laid out facts that nullify them, and have thus proven to be completely unteachable. Forums are a place to express ideas *and learn* - not to stubbornly insist you're right regardless of facts. This is when it becomes borderline trolling.
So if you're going to coexist with people on a forum (or in pretty well any avenue in life), I highly suggest you take the time to truly understand the difference between opinions and facts, because you are currently conflating the two. Start with the provided definition of "cover song," and swim upstream from there.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 30, 2020 23:33:46 GMT
I disagree. You're saying that Queen isn't what they used to be and they're paying tribute. There are more people in the band now, but that doesn't change a thing. Brian and Roger are still here. They're still Queen doing concerts for their fans. If Queen wants more members, that's fine. Just because there are new songs in the setlists and more members doesn't make a band a "tribute" one. Evidently I'm not allowed to respond without being banned. The thing is that your argument is clearly, factually, and by definition, incorrect. It has been clarified what a "tribute band" is defined as, and quite emphatically, Q+AL do not fall into that category. Your opinion has absolutely no bearing on that fact. From your posts, I am guessing that you are a massive Freddie fan, and no-one else will do. That's fine, and you are more than entitled to that opinion. I would venture that the tragic irony is, if Freddie was still around, Queen the band would have been long gone, and the various members would have gone their separate ways, possibly pursuing their solo careers. At least with Adam, the band are keeping the music, and Freddie's memory, alive. Of course you may respond, but my advice would be to change the bloody record and stop winding people up with ridiculous statements that you surely cannot even believe yourself. Continuing to deliberately aggravate other members is what will get you banned. Polite and reasonable debate will not. |
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 31, 2020 0:00:34 GMT
Queen's just a shadow of the band they used to be.
So many bitter tears are coming out from me
I really want "the box",
This annoying Adam pox
has gone on for much too long.
I feel Jim Beach has never told the truth to me
About recycled crap and how boring it would be
The market it would flood
So I'm left to wack my pud
to "Forever" songs.
A delayed "Box" will kill you
Just as sure as none at all
It'll drain the power that's in you
Make you plead and scream and crawl
And the pain will make you crazy
You're the victim of Jim's crime
A delayed box will kill you every time
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2020 0:53:18 GMT
Queen's just a shadow of the band they used to be. So many bitter tears are coming out from me I really want "the box", This annoying Adam pox has gone on for much too long. I feel Jim Beach has never told the truth to me About recycled crap and how boring it would be The market it would flood So I'm left to wack my pud to "Forever" songs. A delayed "Box" will kill you Just as sure as none at all It'll drain the power that's in you Make you plead and scream and crawl And the pain will make you crazy You're the victim of Jim's crime A delayed box will kill you every time How can you blame Adam for for the delay of the box set? How do you even know it's been delayed? We never had a release date in the first place! I fail to see how anyone can be quite so upset about having to wait a bit longer for a bunch of half-baked demos and a few b-sides that most of us have probably already got. And, it will probably be well overpriced. |
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 31, 2020 1:08:23 GMT
Evidently I'm not allowed to respond without being banned. The thing is that your argument is clearly, factually, and by definition, incorrect. It has been clarified what a "tribute band" is defined as, and quite emphatically, Q+AL do not fall into that category. Your opinion has absolutely no bearing on that fact. From your posts, I am guessing that you are a massive Freddie fan, and no-one else will do. That's fine, and you are more than entitled to that opinion. I would venture that the tragic irony is, if Freddie was still around, Queen the band would have been long gone, and the various members would have gone their separate ways, possibly pursuing their solo careers. At least with Adam, the band are keeping the music, and Freddie's memory, alive. Of course you may respond, but my advice would be to change the bloody record and stop winding people up with ridiculous statements that you surely cannot even believe yourself. Continuing to deliberately aggravate other members is what will get you banned. Polite and reasonable debate will not. I have been nothing other than polite and well reasoned, I understand you don't want this board to become the shitstorm that Queenzone is, but is it possible you’re over compensating and trying to control people? My statements are not ridiculous, they’re common sense. Like it or not, I DO believe the label ”tribute band” aptly applies and I have seen no convincing argument otherwise. What seems unreasonable and impolite to me, is telling me to ”change the record” (aka STFU) and STILL threatening to ban me for ”aggravating” an admin by merely having different perspective. To accuse me of ”deliverately” aggrivating is unfair and untrue. I'm merely RESPONDING to comments and defending my POV. |
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 31, 2020 1:09:51 GMT
Queen's just a shadow of the band they used to be. So many bitter tears are coming out from me I really want "the box", This annoying Adam pox has gone on for much too long. I feel Jim Beach has never told the truth to me About recycled crap and how boring it would be The market it would flood So I'm left to wack my pud to "Forever" songs. A delayed "Box" will kill you Just as sure as none at all It'll drain the power that's in you Make you plead and scream and crawl And the pain will make you crazy You're the victim of Jim's crime A delayed box will kill you every time 🤣🤣 Clever. |
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Post by Mustapha Ibrahim on Aug 31, 2020 1:39:27 GMT
Here's the definition of "tribute band", since you are asking for a "convincing argument": a group that plays the songs of a band they admire, often dressing in the style of the original band members (www.thefreedictionary.com, www.collinsdictionary.com, http://www.dictionary.com) and "A tribute act, tribute band, or tribute group is a music group, singer, or musician who specifically plays the music of a well-known music act... Many tribute bands, in addition to playing the music of an artist or group, also try to emulate the vocal styles and overall appearance of that group, to make as close an approximation as possible." (Wikipedia) Queen + Adam Lambert doesn't match the definition of "tribute band". |
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 31, 2020 1:43:17 GMT
Queen's just a shadow of the band they used to be. So many bitter tears are coming out from me I really want "the box", This annoying Adam pox has gone on for much too long. I feel Jim Beach has never told the truth to me About recycled crap and how boring it would be The market it would flood So I'm left to wack my pud to "Forever" songs. A delayed "Box" will kill you Just as sure as none at all It'll drain the power that's in you Make you plead and scream and crawl And the pain will make you crazy You're the victim of Jim's crime A delayed box will kill you every time How can you blame Adam for for the delay of the box set? How do you even know it's been delayed? We never had a release date in the first place! I fail to see how anyone can be quite so upset about having to wait a bit longer for a bunch of half-baked demos and a few b-sides that most of us have probably already got. And, it will probably be well overpriced. I don't blame Adam. It is not Adam's fault that archive releases get pushed to the back burner. Unfortunately Jim Beach and QPL are too concerned with flooding the market with more than one release a year. Is a $20 QAL live album gonna prevent someone from buying a box set? Despite these products being for different "audiences", QPL tends to stick with one release per year.
As for the Miracle Box being overpriced? I did not buy the the "News" box set (as over half was duplication of previously released material) and separate items were not available a la carte.
I was looking forward to the Miracle box set as The Miracle is my favorite album since 1976 (aDatR) and now it might never be released. Other than the Rainbox box set, QPL seems to have a tendency to overpromise and underdeliver when it comes to archive releases.
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 31, 2020 1:57:38 GMT
Like it or not, I DO believe the label ”tribute band” aptly applies and I have seen no convincing argument otherwise. It seems kimmlogan is loosely using "tribute band" as a label rather that the strict definition of "tribute band". When listening to ce nturies old old music, most diehards would probably rather hear a nuanced version of the full NutCracker (deep cuts) than the Nutcracker Suite (greatest hits nostalgia). |
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Post by kimmlogan on Aug 31, 2020 3:47:51 GMT
It seems kimmlogan is loosely using "tribute band" as a label rather that the strict definition of "tribute band". When listening to ceturies old old music, most diehards would probably rather hear a nuanced version of the full NutCracker (deep cuts) than the Nutcracker Suite (greatest hits nostalgia). I agree that we seem to have different understandings. I know, of no definition that insists that tribute bands include or not include any of the original artists. My understanding is that IN EFFECT, a band that does covers, trying to sound reminiscent of the original band and who does not or rarely creates new music is, IN PRACTICE, a tribute band. Regardless of what they may call themselves they FUNCTION virtually as a tribute band. I believe when the band stops creating new music and only sings it's songs from the past, the band is no longer active. |
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 31, 2020 4:42:30 GMT
I believe that QAL is a "pale imitation" of Queen, but that in no way makes QAL a tribute band.
I mostly agree with you, BUT ... by definition ... a tribute band does not contain any member of the band they are paying tribute to ...
"TOP TEN" definitions of "tribute band":
a group of musicians who play the music of a famous pop group and pretend to be that group: a Beatles tribute band # 9 www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/tribute-bandA tribute band is a pop group that plays the music and copies the style of another, much more famous, pop group. We booked a Beatles tribute band for the wedding. # 8 www.thefreedictionary.com/tribute+banda group that plays the songs of a band they admire, often dressing in the style of the original band members # 7 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tribute%20bandA couple of musicians looking to make some extra money by taking songs from an already famous band. Usually the fore-mentioned band no longer performs and therefore it is a tribute. Although some of the most well liked tribute bands, do in fact do tribute to a band that is still in existence and performing. #6 www.wordreference.com/definition/tribute%20banda group that plays the songs of a band they admire, often dressing in the style of the original band members #5 www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/tribute-banda group of musicians who play the music of a famous band and copy the way they look and sound #4 www.dictionary.com/browse/tribute-banda group that plays the songs of a band they admire, often dressing in the style of the original band members #3 www.lexico.com/definition/tribute_bandA band which plays the music of another more famous group (or performer), often imitating them in appearance and performance style. Origin 1970s; earliest use found in The Washington Post.
a group of musicians who play the music of a very famous band and try to look and sound like them
... and THE MOST DEFINATIVE DEFINITION from the hands down, be-all, and end-all authority of facts: #1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribute_actA tribute act, tribute band or tribute group is a music group, singer, or musician who specifically plays the music of a well-known music act. |
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 31, 2020 5:17:01 GMT
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Post by nickip on Aug 31, 2020 6:32:54 GMT
No, they come for the screen footage AND the way Adam is reminiscent of and reminds them of Freddie Let's put it this way. Most wouldn't come just to hear Roger and Brian singing the songs, or anyone that was too unlike Freddie. Actually that is exactly why I go. To see Roger and Brian. Adam’s ok and the show is great. But I go to see Roger and Brian. I wish they would sing a bit more but whatever. Also I went to see Q+PR. Another great show. And in that case a great singer. I am probably one of the few who enjoyed that combo. But I went in the first place to see Roger and Brian. Btw. I saw Queen with Freddie and was at the fan club party where the Cross were joined by Brian and John so I think it’s fair to say I’ve seen all of the major Queen incarnations With and without Freddie. The bottom line is that they were and are a great professional band who work hard on stage to put on a good show. They play music I like and I have a good time. I don’t expect to go and see some weird reincarnation of Freddie and nor would I want to. My musical heroes have found a singer that suits their delivery - not entirely my taste - and if that means I get to see them I will accept that the world is imperfect and be grateful that these OAPs can still get out there. And if you, or anyone else, don’t like it my advice is don’t go... |
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Post by pg on Aug 31, 2020 8:58:57 GMT
If you don't stop wasting webspace with this nonsense, you're going to get banned. This is borderline trolling now. Ah, we're nearly there. Good news. |
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Post by pg on Aug 31, 2020 9:04:58 GMT
at the risk of triggering a further essay LITTERED with EMPHASIS to make it seem like an explanation is being PATIENTLY given to a small CHILD, AL is "reminiscent " of FM in the same way that Donald Trump is reminiscent of Janis Joplin....
You have to stand a really long way away, and cover your ears.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2020 10:15:07 GMT
The thing is that your argument is clearly, factually, and by definition, incorrect. It has been clarified what a "tribute band" is defined as, and quite emphatically, Q+AL do not fall into that category. Your opinion has absolutely no bearing on that fact. From your posts, I am guessing that you are a massive Freddie fan, and no-one else will do. That's fine, and you are more than entitled to that opinion. I would venture that the tragic irony is, if Freddie was still around, Queen the band would have been long gone, and the various members would have gone their separate ways, possibly pursuing their solo careers. At least with Adam, the band are keeping the music, and Freddie's memory, alive. Of course you may respond, but my advice would be to change the bloody record and stop winding people up with ridiculous statements that you surely cannot even believe yourself. Continuing to deliberately aggravate other members is what will get you banned. Polite and reasonable debate will not. I have been nothing other than polite and well reasoned, I understand you don't want this board to become the shitstorm that Queenzone is, but is it possible you’re over compensating and trying to control people? Your argument is not "well reasoned" as it is incorrect by definition. I could offer a "well reasoned" opinion that the sky is green with purple clouds, but it would still be wrong. We are not trying to "control people" but we are determined to stop the ridiculous types of arguing that occurs on Queenzone. If you don't like what we do here, I'm sure you would be welcome there. My statements are not ridiculous, they’re common sense. Like it or not, I DO believe the label ”tribute band” aptly applies and I have seen no convincing argument otherwise. Then you obviously haven't read the thread, or are choosing to ignore what doesn't fit your own opinion. What seems unreasonable and impolite to me, is telling me to ”change the record” (aka STFU) and STILL threatening to ban me for ”aggravating” an admin by merely having different perspective. Doesn't matter if it's an admin or not. You're causing aggravation by continuing to labour a point that others disagree with, without progressing the discussion. To accuse me of ”deliverately” aggrivating is unfair and untrue. I'm merely RESPONDING to comments and defending my POV. Which clearly isn't going to change, so I see no point continuing this point of discussion. In fact, I think this thread has reached the end of it's road, so it is now closed. Please do not start another thread in order to circumvent this closure. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2020 13:37:28 GMT
The thing is that your argument is clearly, factually, and by definition, incorrect. It has been clarified what a "tribute band" is defined as, and quite emphatically, Q+AL do not fall into that category. Your opinion has absolutely no bearing on that fact. From your posts, I am guessing that you are a massive Freddie fan, and no-one else will do. That's fine, and you are more than entitled to that opinion. I would venture that the tragic irony is, if Freddie was still around, Queen the band would have been long gone, and the various members would have gone their separate ways, possibly pursuing their solo careers. At least with Adam, the band are keeping the music, and Freddie's memory, alive. Of course you may respond, but my advice would be to change the bloody record and stop winding people up with ridiculous statements that you surely cannot even believe yourself. Continuing to deliberately aggravate other members is what will get you banned. Polite and reasonable debate will not. I have been nothing other than polite and well reasoned, I understand you don't want this board to become the shitstorm that Queenzone is, but is it possible you’re over compensating and trying to control people? My statements are not ridiculous, they’re common sense. Like it or not, I DO believe the label ”tribute band” aptly applies and I have seen no convincing argument otherwise. What seems unreasonable and impolite to me, is telling me to ”change the record” (aka STFU) and STILL threatening to ban me for ”aggravating” an admin by merely having different perspective. To accuse me of ”deliverately” aggrivating is unfair and untrue. I'm merely RESPONDING to comments and defending my POV. Polite, yes. Well reasoned, no.
And until you understand the latter, you'll be playing the victim card.
You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. You have invented a definition of the term "tribute band" to suit your views as a fan of Freddie Mercury, and we are now at page 5 of a thread because of your inability to objectively understand this.
But at least you've been polite. Thank god for that.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2020 13:46:10 GMT
I agree that we seem to have different understandings. I know, of no definition that insists that tribute bands include or not include any of the original artists. My understanding is that IN EFFECT, a band that does covers, trying to sound reminiscent of the original band and who does not or rarely creates new music is, IN PRACTICE, a tribute band. Regardless of what they may call themselves they FUNCTION virtually as a tribute band. I believe when the band stops creating new music and only sings it's songs from the past, the band is no longer active. And there we have it - you have admitted that you just invented your own interpretation of a static definition to suit your own needs. You are cherry-picking certain aspects of tribute bands, and although not all of the boxes tick, you are still stubbornly insisting on using the label.
That would be like calling potatoes a fruit. An apple is a fruit because it's edible, delicious, and comes from the flower of a plant. Potatoes are edible, delicious, but come from a different part of the plant - therefore they're also a fruit. This literally is the logic you've just demonstrated.
"Functioning" as a tribute band still involves playing songs THEY DID NOT WRITE. You cannot remove that condition and still use the same definition.
"No longer active" does not mean "tribute band." It means "no longer active." You are conflating the two.
You are wrong. Full stop. Let it go.
Agreed with locking this thread.
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