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Post by ThomasQuinn on Jan 17, 2021 12:10:12 GMT
You mean tracks with Freddie on vocals? As far as I'm aware, TMLWKY didn't become a Back To The Light track until after Freddie's vocals were recorded and the track was rejected for The Miracle. I can't imagine there were any tracks specifically written for Back To The Light that had any Freddie-involvement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 12:21:14 GMT
Exactly: 'Too Much Love Will Kill You' was a Miracle track until they had copyright issues and had to pull it out. Brian then rescued it as a solo piece, and then it came full circle when they put the 1988-1989 version on 'Made in Heaven' (nothing was added to it in the 1992 - 1995 period).
Two songs that Brian had penned for his solo album which he then heard Frederick singing were 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You'. Both were then put on Innuendo.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Jan 17, 2021 12:29:28 GMT
What the gentlemen just said.
Still, for some reason I can't imagine TMLWKY belonging to "The Miracle" as it sounds so off in terms of style. I find it absolutely adequate on MIH though.
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Post by emrabt on Jan 17, 2021 13:06:21 GMT
What the gentlemen just said. Still, for some reason I can't imagine TMLWKY belonging to "The Miracle" as it sounds so off in terms of style. I find it absolutely adequate on MIH though.
I know it's weird isn't it, it's also different to the demo so much so that I think I actually argued with Seb when he first said it.
I do wonder how much the sound of TMLWKY influenced the rest of Made In Heaven.
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Post by august on Jan 17, 2021 14:18:07 GMT
What the gentlemen just said. Still, for some reason I can't imagine TMLWKY belonging to "The Miracle" as it sounds so off in terms of style. I find it absolutely adequate on MIH though. I've actually had TMLWKY on my "The Miracle playlist" as penultimate track instead of MBDM for years now. I think it suits perfectly.
They made some bad decisions on The Miracle. Many B-Sides from the sessions are superior to the songs that ended up on the album, IMO.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Jan 17, 2021 14:35:29 GMT
It also makes me think that, certainly, complete songs from their 70's albums exist that never made it to any of their later efforts, for whatever reason anyway. All of the pre-90's songs in MIH come from 80's sessions, which makes sense too. When you think about it, it's pretty amazing that MIH is so good when it was built around 3 actual new songs and sewn together with reworked old material - plus the inclusion of the unaltered TMLWKY, which fits so well stylistically (IMO) that I wonder if it is more of an influence to the sound of the whole album than we think.
But I digress. This would be better discussed in another thread.
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Post by jlf on Jan 17, 2021 17:45:21 GMT
It's likely that some of Brian's tracks on Back To The Light were intended as Queen songs that otherwise would have made it on to the album which eventually became Made In Heaven had Freddie had time to start or complete them, but this is nothing more than speculation on my part. As Sebastian said, Headlong and I Can't Live With You were the opposite way around - Brian wanted them on his album and Freddie poached them for Queen or something like that!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 19:19:18 GMT
Actually, I've got a bit of time as I'm listening to Talk Heathen right now, so let's do a speculative rundown:
1. The Dark : The 1980 stuff is instrumental, and the lullaby bit is basically a traditional hymn. It's unlikely that Frederick recorded it at any point. 2. Back To The Light : Partly recorded in March 1988, while Frederick was still doing Barcelona. 3. Love Token : Despite featuring Michael Moran, it's unlikely to have been considered for Queen based on the limited evidence we've got so far. 4. Resurrection : Considering it was an instrumental first, and part of a record by Colin Powell which was released after Frederick's passing, the lyrics may have been penned after he died. 5. Too Much Love Will Kill You : We know the story. 6. Driven By You : Apparently, Frederick told him it was fine as it was or something like that. So we can rule out that one, again, based on the limited evidence we've got. 7. Nothin' But Blue : I think I read somewhere that Brian wrote the lyrics the night before Frederick died or something like that, so, no. 8. I'm Scared : It may have emerged at the same time as the title track and, as such, Frederick probably wasn't involved at all as he was doing Barcelona. 9. Last Horizon : No room for Frederick there as there are no vocals and Michael played the synthesiser. 10. Let Your Heart Rule Your Head : First thought of as a collaboration with Scottish musician Anthony Donegan, unlikely to have involvement from Frederick. 11. Just One Life: The fact it was partly recorded in Montreux could indeed suggest it may have been done during Queen sessions for either The Miracle, Innuendo or Made in Heaven, but not necessarily. Brian was, after all, wealthy enough to fly to Switzerland a random weekend and so some sessions without the rest of the band any time he felt like it. 12. Rollin' Over: Also part of the 1988 batch. Remember that, at that point, Brian may not have been clear about Frederick's illness, and he was doing a solo album with the deliberate intention of having a project away from the band.
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Post by martinpacker on Jan 17, 2021 20:13:20 GMT
To understand when "I'm Scared" was written we probably have to examine how Brian's state of mind developed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 20:20:35 GMT
According to the people involved and listed in the liner notes, it seems that there were some batches, and the spring 1988 one generated 'Back to the Light', 'I'm Scared' and 'Rollin' Over'.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Jan 17, 2021 20:32:05 GMT
4. Resurrection
: Considering it was an instrumental first, and part of a record by Colin Powell which was released after Frederick's passing, the lyrics may have been penned after he died. I'm no historian, but I'm pretty sure Harold has never recorded with an established conservative American politician. Then again that's just my word against yours, so I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 20:59:21 GMT
The world's population was already over 5 billion by then. It's understandable you'd get some names repeated. There was also an Australian film composer called Brian May who died in '97.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 22:07:51 GMT
Did that person provide any source for that titbit?
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Post by littlequeenie97 on Jan 17, 2021 22:54:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 1:32:53 GMT
They're so lame, but I love them. I used to have one concerning the same era: Brian played the main solo on 'Innuendo', but at the end of it there was a fast chromatic run and he wanted someone who really knew howe to do it properly!
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Post by jeroeng on Jan 18, 2021 8:51:25 GMT
The world's population was already over 5 billion by then. It's understandable you'd get some names repeated. There was also an Australian film composer called Brian May who died in '97. Except that his name was Cozy Powell, not Colin Powell 😁
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 18, 2021 9:40:33 GMT
The world's population was already over 5 billion by then. It's understandable you'd get some names repeated. There was also an Australian film composer called Brian May who died in '97. Except that his name was Cozy Powell, not Colin Powell 😁 Cozy Powell (born Colin Trevor Flooks; 29 December 1947 – 5 April 1998)
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Post by emrabt on Jan 18, 2021 11:30:19 GMT
On the same subject I wonder if any from Shove it have some more Freddie Vocals, there's a sample of him in Shove It (the song) that doesn't seem to be from anything released.
I guess The Cross song we have the most evidence of a possible Queen recording is "In Charge Of My Heart" as it came from the Stealin' jam.
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Post by georg on Jan 18, 2021 14:41:28 GMT
Who knows these days. I mean, it took 40 years to realise freddie sang all dead all dead. If they won't give us an anthology then why cant they just give us a comprehensive list of what exactly they have. Like some sort of "this is what you could have won" list. I'd rather not know and be surprised when/if the rarities do come out instead of knowing what exists and then never getting them.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jan 18, 2021 21:59:27 GMT
On the same subject I wonder if any from Shove it have some more Freddie Vocals, there's a sample of him in Shove It (the song) that doesn't seem to be from anything released. which sample in particular?
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Post by emrabt on Jan 18, 2021 22:08:54 GMT
3:18 "We love.... yeah"
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Post by georg on Jan 19, 2021 14:12:01 GMT
Probably recorded at the same time he recorded Heaven For Everyone.
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Post by jimmydean on Jan 20, 2021 20:17:56 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the title track was attempted by Freddie or at least submitted to him to attempt. The melody sounds like it was written for him to sing. Just my thoughts when I listened to it again just the other day. I'd suspect he would have changed the arrangement a little.
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Post by mkstewartesq on Jan 21, 2021 2:09:48 GMT
I read on a youtube comment that fredrick sang just one life. Not sure if he did or not, but surely we would know by now if so? I seriously doubt that Freddie ever sang Just One Life. The timing makes it seem very unlikely to me. Brian has stated that he wrote it after attending a memorial with Anita for Philip Sayer. Philip Sayer died in September 1989, so the memorial obviously happened sometime after that - meaning this song wasn’t written until late 1989 at the earliest. If Queen worked on at all, it would have to have been during the Innuendo sessions or the random sessions up to May 1991 where comparatively little was actually completed and Freddie”s energy for vocal tracks was waning. Given that the Innuendo material and even the few bits completed after were of higher quality than Just One Life, I don’t see Freddie wasting precious time on this - especially with the lyrics being a bit too on the nose to his own personal situation. (I will forgo my cynical speculation that, had a workable recording of a song written by Brian been available for use on MIH, he would have pushed for its inclusion (for, among other reasons, the royalties) rather than scraping together old Freddie solo tracks to make them “Queen”. If a Freddie version existed, the fact that it had already appeared on Brian’s solo album wouldn’t alone be a reason to not include it, as multiple other MIH tracks had already been released thorough various members’ solo/side projects.) M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 13:08:25 GMT
I'm more than willing to entertain the possibility of Frederick singing 'Just One Life' (or any other track, for that matter) if there's evidence. An unsourced random YT comment doesn't count, neither does Wikipedia.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Jan 21, 2021 21:38:46 GMT
All these possible freddie vocals have got me wondering why on earth havent they released who wants to live forever with freddie on the first verse. They could have put it as an extra on one of the many kind of magic re releases. If they wont give us something like that, then they arent going to release any sort of freddie scraps of other songs anytime soon. Just saying: you are aware that it's on Highlander's background music and that there's at least one good, convincing fan remaster of it, aren't you? Not quite a proper studio version but it's the next best thing.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Jan 21, 2021 22:41:37 GMT
Heard the fan versions. They are rubbish. Why wont they release the proper studio version??? Have you checked this one by cmatt ? Link
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Post by user1 on Jan 22, 2021 8:13:28 GMT
Two songs that Brian had penned for his solo album which he then heard Frederick singing were 'Headlong' and 'I Can't Live with You'. Both were then put on Innuendo. Who's Frederick?
I'm more than willing to entertain the possibility of Frederick singing 'Just One Life' (or any other track, for that matter) if there's evidence. An unsourced random YT comment doesn't count, neither does Wikipedia. Again, who's this person?
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Post by martinpacker on Jan 22, 2021 10:23:56 GMT
On WWTLF with Freddie singing the first verse, I'd say the contrast between Brian and Freddie is one of the things that makes this track for me. So I wouldn't even value "all Freddie" very much.
On Brian hearing Freddie singing Headlong & I Can't Live With You there has to be more to this story: Brian might've asked Freddie to try it. So it's not an accidental discovery on Brian's part. Maybe there was a shortage of songs written in 1989/1990 that led to them looking in the solo writings (and that might corroborate the story about Freddie potentially singing New Dark Ages).
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Post by Mr Mercury on Jan 22, 2021 13:04:15 GMT
4. Resurrection
: Considering it was an instrumental first, and part of a record by Colin Powell which was released after Frederick's passing, the lyrics may have been penned after he died. Are you referring to that genius of the drumming world called Colin Flooks?
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