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Post by justin07 on May 23, 2021 21:30:18 GMT
play.acast.com/s/a0f065f6-0ff3-455b-bed4-a5c3d98ec15d/4ae2dadf-8f90-4bdb-a635-619dfb53ba24A shorter version was on an earlier podcast but this is the stand-alone episode. Mentions his forthcoming memorabilia book 'I Want it All', stuff in the Queen archive, Anthology ideas, Miracle Box, Hangman acetate existing or not, etc. Interesting listen, particularly him saying they have loads of taped audio of studio arguments/discussions some of which are v.funny and some very serious/abusive ones. Unfortunately it looks as if there will be no Anthology release until Roger and Brian feel their 'Queen' career is over by which time a lot of original fans will have departed. IMO the Queen recording/live era has well and truly finished, Q+AL, PR or whoever is separate entity and should have nothing to do with the Anthology.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 23, 2021 22:12:25 GMT
re: "Hangman" - ouch! GB maintaining his previous stance on this. he's not actually saying it - but he may as well be - much as he did "back in the day" - calling John S Stuart out on this. not once does he (GB) ever accept that John could have actually had the acetate. oh no.
and, why didn't the interviewer do some actual research and ask the oh-so efficient Archivist about the priceless recordings that John S Stuart loaned him and QPL somehow conspired to "mislay/permanently lose" on GB's watch?
some f*cking archivist eh? I truly would NEVER believe a word that came from the guy's mouth - without independent verification.
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Post by n39 on May 23, 2021 22:15:44 GMT
What a knob. Way to drag the late John S Stuart's name through the mud by refuting the acetate's existence. In other news, still waiting on 'The Miracle' boxset... He's long overdue his P45 from Bri and Rog.
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Post by justin07 on May 23, 2021 22:42:29 GMT
I'm not aware of the backstory re. the Hangman acetate. What became of it?
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Post by Golden Salmon on May 23, 2021 22:50:01 GMT
Thank you for the link. However, I would have loved to listen to this a few years ago and be hyped, but today? Sorry, I do not care anymore. Whether he's right or wrong, at this point it makes little difference to know what's left of Queen's legacy that's worth our time. A decade or two from today, we'll be lucky to look back and see if we got maybe 4-5 remarkable releases, regardless of entity and size. The last couple years have been wasted in terms of archival release potential. It is good that we're getting something new from Brian and Roger separately in the next few months, but in terms of Queen material it's sadly in line with their current mindset since four years ago.
Unfortunately it looks as if there will be no Anthology release until Roger and Brian feel their 'Queen' career is over by which time a lot of original fans will have departed. ... quite literally.
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Post by Arnaldo Ogre- on May 24, 2021 2:31:47 GMT
Thanks a lot for the heads up!
It's very interesting that he mentions that one or two unheard songs from each album in different finalizing stages exist. Pitty only our grandsons will get to hear that. If they can be bothered to...
I also found it very interesting to know that they jammed to old Bowie songs during or around the Under Pressure sessions. I did not recall that. I remembered mentions to cover songs and Cream comes to mind, but not Bowie songs. It might just be my memory, though.
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Post by georg on May 24, 2021 2:37:23 GMT
I don’t have the ability to listen to it yet but what did the Gregster say about the Miracle box set?
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Post by Arnaldo Ogre- on May 24, 2021 2:52:29 GMT
I don’t have the ability to listen to it yet but what did the Gregster say about the Miracle box set? He said The Miracle is the album that has more unheard stuff. I can't remember much more, but I do remember it didn’t raise any hopes of a release anytime soon. Cheers, Ogre-
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 24, 2021 6:57:38 GMT
I'm not aware of the backstory re. the Hangman acetate. What became of it? well, the Hangman acetate discussion really had it's birth some time earlier. GB/QPL had previously asked for fans to send any rarities of Freddie-related stuff for the Freddie Boxset. John S Stuart, Karaoke Queen and (probably) others loaned Queen their priceless tapes etc - in John's case it was his original Ibex recording. QPL/GB (between them) managed to lose John S Stuart's Ibex tape and some other items loaned by other fans. The Ibex tape turned up on ebay. John was never (to anyone's knowledge) compensated for this loss by QPL - surely, at the very least this should've been to the value of the ebay sale? So, on to later discussions around whether a studio recording of Hangman actually existed - where John pointed out that it definitely did - and he had an acetate of the studio recording. GB got into his usual "no it doesn't" "put up or shut up" playground stuff - as did one or two QZoners. Consequently (and quite rightly, if the previous Ibex experience is anything to go by) the Hangman acetate never left John's possession - only a bona fide fool would take another such risk. Once, bitten twice shy eh? For those who say "well there's no proof that a Hangman studio recording exists." Correct. There isn't. But sadly, with John having passed away, we're now at a point where individual considerations need to go deeper than a need for physical proof. We need to rely on what we know about the characters on either side of this argument: In my 16 years at QZone, i had many, many conversations with John S Stuart - not just through the chat boards, but via PM and email. I always found John to be good humoured, erudite and (above all) honest. We're talking about a Queen collector who had a vast and invaluable collection of Queen items - i'm sure most will remember his sharing of the remaining BBC sessions. From my own experiences with John, I have no reason to doubt his word. I'm 100% certain that almost everybody else who ever spoke/engaged with John will feel the same - the exception (naturally) being the gainsaying-reflex position of the "archivist" - who would challenge, counter and dispute John S Stuart frequently. John's "archival nemesis", on the other hand: would frequently visit QZ - whenever he needed information for his "work" - ie the fans were frequently his unpaid workers. later (on one key occasion) he denied the existence of some archive live recordings that those very fans had provided him with proof of previously. i cannot recall a single "archivist" visit to QZ, where he actually contributed anything meaningful. it's my belief that he was the master of misdirection and obfuscation, to any reasonably intelligent person - the very antithesis of archivist. i know who i choose to believe, so much so, that (should the impossible happen, and) at some later date were John somehow proven wrong (yeah right!), i'd still be happier to have believed John all along - rather than GB. others may have very different views.
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Post by justin07 on May 24, 2021 10:49:55 GMT
Thanks for the back story, that's bad form on QPL/GB's part. Not what you'd expect from a supposedly professional organization. Just admit your mistake and compensate at the least. GB came across as quite affable on the podcast, but I suppose he had to be on a public broadcast. His attitude on the forums seems strange, why be hostile to fellow fans? Seems juvenile to me. Did Mr Stuart ever make a digital copy of the Hangman acetate and share it/send to QPL/GB, surely that would be some proof of it's existence. Also is there a photo of it? I'm also surprised Brian didn't keep a copy as he seemed to hoard everything. Regards I'm not aware of the backstory re. the Hangman acetate. What became of it? well, the Hangman acetate discussion really had it's birth some time earlier. GB/QPL had previously asked for fans to send any rarities of Freddie-related stuff for the Freddie Boxset. John S Stuart, Karaoke Queen and (probably) others loaned Queen their priceless tapes etc - in John's case it was his original Ibex recording. QPL/GB (between them) managed to lose John S Stuart's Ibex tape and some other items loaned by other fans. The Ibex tape turned up on ebay. John was never (to anyone's knowledge) compensated for this loss by QPL - surely, at the very least this should've been to the value of the ebay sale? So, on to later discussions around whether a studio recording of Hangman actually existed - where John pointed out that it definitely did - and he had an acetate of the studio recording. GB got into his usual "no it doesn't" "put up or shut up" playground stuff - as did one or two QZoners. Consequently (and quite rightly, if the previous Ibex experience is anything to go by) the Hangman acetate never left John's possession - only a bona fide fool would take another such risk. Once, bitten twice shy eh? For those who say "well there's no proof that a Hangman studio recording exists." Correct. There isn't. But sadly, with John having passed away, we're now at a point where individual considerations need to go deeper than a need for physical proof. We need to rely on what we know about the characters on either side of this argument: In my 16 years at QZone, i had many, many conversations with John S Stuart - not just through the chat boards, but via PM and email. I always found John to be good humoured, erudite and (above all) honest. We're talking about a Queen collector who had a vast and invaluable collection of Queen items - i'm sure most will remember his sharing of the remaining BBC sessions. From my own experiences with John, I have no reason to doubt his word. I'm 100% certain that almost everybody else who ever spoke/engaged with John will feel the same - the exception (naturally) being the gainsaying-reflex position of the "archivist" - who would challenge, counter and dispute John S Stuart frequently. John's "archival nemesis", on the other hand: would frequently visit QZ - whenever he needed information for his "work" - ie the fans were frequently his unpaid workers. later (on one key occasion) he denied the existence of some archive live recordings that those very fans had provided him with proof of previously. i cannot recall a single "archivist" visit to QZ, where he actually contributed anything meaningful. it's my belief that he was the master of misdirection and obfuscation, to any reasonably intelligent person - the very antithesis of archivist. i know who i choose to believe, so much so, that (should the impossible happen, and) at some later date were John somehow proven wrong (yeah right!), i'd still be happier to have believed John all along - rather than GB. others may have very different views.
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Post by n39 on May 24, 2021 11:25:23 GMT
I'm not aware of the backstory re. the Hangman acetate. What became of it? well, the Hangman acetate discussion really had it's birth some time earlier. GB/QPL had previously asked for fans to send any rarities of Freddie-related stuff for the Freddie Boxset. John S Stuart, Karaoke Queen and (probably) others loaned Queen their priceless tapes etc - in John's case it was his original Ibex recording. QPL/GB (between them) managed to lose John S Stuart's Ibex tape and some other items loaned by other fans. The Ibex tape turned up on ebay. John was never (to anyone's knowledge) compensated for this loss by QPL - surely, at the very least this should've been to the value of the ebay sale? So, on to later discussions around whether a studio recording of Hangman actually existed - where John pointed out that it definitely did - and he had an acetate of the studio recording. GB got into his usual "no it doesn't" "put up or shut up" playground stuff - as did one or two QZoners. Consequently (and quite rightly, if the previous Ibex experience is anything to go by) the Hangman acetate never left John's possession - only a bona fide fool would take another such risk. Once, bitten twice shy eh? For those who say "well there's no proof that a Hangman studio recording exists." Correct. There isn't. But sadly, with John having passed away, we're now at a point where individual considerations need to go deeper than a need for physical proof. We need to rely on what we know about the characters on either side of this argument: In my 16 years at QZone, i had many, many conversations with John S Stuart - not just through the chat boards, but via PM and email. I always found John to be good humoured, erudite and (above all) honest. We're talking about a Queen collector who had a vast and invaluable collection of Queen items - i'm sure most will remember his sharing of the remaining BBC sessions. From my own experiences with John, I have no reason to doubt his word. I'm 100% certain that almost everybody else who ever spoke/engaged with John will feel the same - the exception (naturally) being the gainsaying-reflex position of the "archivist" - who would challenge, counter and dispute John S Stuart frequently. John's "archival nemesis", on the other hand: would frequently visit QZ - whenever he needed information for his "work" - ie the fans were frequently his unpaid workers. later (on one key occasion) he denied the existence of some archive live recordings that those very fans had provided him with proof of previously. i cannot recall a single "archivist" visit to QZ, where he actually contributed anything meaningful. it's my belief that he was the master of misdirection and obfuscation, to any reasonably intelligent person - the very antithesis of archivist. i know who i choose to believe, so much so, that (should the impossible happen, and) at some later date were John somehow proven wrong (yeah right!), i'd still be happier to have believed John all along - rather than GB. others may have very different views. Indeed, I was only ever a lurker on QZ but JSS's decades of contributions to the forum were invaluable and his knowledge of the band was second to none. A sad loss to the community, RIP.
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Post by emrabt on May 24, 2021 11:47:54 GMT
His attitude on the forums seems strange, why be hostile to fellow fans? Seems juvenile to me.
Basically Greg had a big problem with being corrected, or anyone correcting him. Typically he'd start a thread asking for information or rarities and not like it when people corrected his knowledge, leading to insults and backhanded compliments. There were times when all he had to do was not reply but he'd be drawn in to drama.
As time went on he would make threads just to gloat about what he'd heard while archiving and his posts became more and more farcical. And while i can't prove it I'm 99% sure he once made a thread under a new username giving details about a Bowie / Queen demo of I Go Crazy just to laugh when people didn't believe it.
I don't know if JJS actually had a hangman acetate but just the fact he had a way of annoying Greg was brilliant, he certainly had the last laugh there.
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Post by pimderks on May 24, 2021 12:32:21 GMT
I'm still astonished every time a post by Greg pops up on Facebook. "Anyone has a picture of XXXX, we missed it", "Anyone has a scan of XXXX, we missed it." This is for a book they've been working on for almost twenty years I think.
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Post by georg on May 24, 2021 14:10:51 GMT
What I find sad is that other bands’ archivists actually engage with the fans instead of trolling them. I realize there’s only so much Greggyboy can divulge but it’s a sad reminder of how little QPL care about the archives.
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Post by akirafish on May 24, 2021 14:52:28 GMT
What an unethical villain! Brian seems have said a lot of good remarks about him. I assume the bank and the company must have a different idea towards the archives.
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 24, 2021 16:34:03 GMT
What I find sad is that other bands’ archivists actually engage with the fans instead of trolling them. I realize there’s only so much Greggyboy can divulge but it’s a sad reminder of how little QPL care about the archives. Makes me wonder what the point of having an archivist actually is. 🤔
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Post by n39 on May 24, 2021 17:24:11 GMT
Does anyone know how the archivist's hiring came about? I'm assuming the job was not externally advertised but rather given to him due to his previous connections with QPL. What did he do to earn the job? From what we've seen over the past 26(?) years, he's extremely unqualified and incompetent.
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Post by Golden Salmon on May 24, 2021 17:48:45 GMT
It's very interesting that he mentions that one or two unheard songs from each album in different finalizing stages exist. Pitty only our grandsons will get to hear that. If they can be bothered to... I also found it very interesting to know that they jammed to old Bowie songs during or around the Under Pressure sessions. I did not recall that. I remembered mentions to cover songs and Cream comes to mind, but not Bowie songs. It might just be my memory, though. Cheers, Ogre- Unsurprising, yet interesting stuff. It will only come out when interest has dwindled beyond recovery, so it's pointless to know specifics. If only we had any kind of influence over QPL. I don’t have the ability to listen to it yet but what did the Gregster say about the Miracle box set? He said The Miracle is the album that has more unheard stuff. I can't remember much more, but I do remember it didn’t raise any hopes of a release anytime soon. Cheers, Ogre- They had about 30 songs for it. Obviously, many were incomplete or were made part of another one ("A New Life Is Born", for instance). I don't think there's much left we know nothing about or that didn't make it to Innuendo or MIH, but I would love to be wrong. It's sad that I seemingly won't find out how wrong I am anytime soon though...
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Post by scandal on May 24, 2021 17:52:24 GMT
As Freddie would have said about the likes of Greg: "Fuck and forget!"
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 24, 2021 18:07:58 GMT
Does anyone know how the archivist's hiring came about? I'm assuming the job was not externally advertised but rather given to him due to his previous connections with QPL. What did he do to earn the job? From what we've seen over the past 26(?) years, he's extremely unqualified and incompetent. obviously not a verbatim account of events...and if pushed, i'll readily admit this is probably fiction. but in my mind, i can see something like this (below) - those who believe it probably also belong to the section of the adult society that still believe in Santa and fairies: LOCATION: John Menzies Bookshop Fiction Department (where else?), London W1. DATE: April 1st, 1994 TIME: Just before the pubs & bars open JB: Hi thanks for stopping by today, it's only a quickie, but we'd like to know... GB: Yes, yes, YES!!! i'll do it. JB: what? GB: whatever it is, polish your shoes, clean the toilets, troll fan sites... JB: we're not looking for any of that today...we're looking to appoint GB: i'll do it. JB: i haven't told what it is yet. GB: i know, i know, I KNOW! (excitedly wetting his pants) but it must be spiffing...everything to do with this organisation is bloomin' fantabuloso JB: will you shut the fuck up, please and let me speak. GB: oh, ok. JB: we're looking to recruit an archivist. do you know anyone outside of our current contacts/circles that would be interested in this new role? GB: i'm sorry, no. i don't. but i'd like to give it a go, if i may JB: whaaaaa? GB: yeah, it can't be that hard, surely to goodness. JB: do you have any relevant experience or qualifications? GB: (thinks)...well i once had a library card JB: is that all? GB: i know how to read and write - a little...but not joined-up...and only with crayon, mind JB: and...? GB: i once had a record player - a dansette it was, and it had two speeds. i never did work out how to play CDs on the thing. JB: look, we're not sure about this. any appointment we make has to be consistent with everything we've said and done since 1991 GB: well i'm pretty shit at everything i turn my hands to - i reckon i could lose, mislay, mislabel or generally break everything currently in the vaults within a fortnight - if i really set my mind to it. (now visibly jizzing his own pants) JB: good enough for me. when can you start? GB: tomorrow, but just one thing JB: yes? GB: can i troll fan sites and wind the living sh*t out of the f*ckers for evermore? and do i get a uniform and badge that says "Archivist"? JB: yes you can...but just don't say we approved it. okay? but we're not providing a uniform or badge GB: it's okay, i'll make my own badge and i'll get a t-shirt printed with "Property of..." printed on it
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Post by emrabt on May 24, 2021 18:36:27 GMT
Does anyone know how the archivist's hiring came about? I'm assuming the job was not externally advertised but rather given to him due to his previous connections with QPL. What did he do to earn the job? From what we've seen over the past 26(?) years, he's extremely unqualified and incompetent. If i remember correctly he wrote to Queen productions while researching a book and asked if they had anyone cataloguing and archiving material, they said no, he offered to. At least that's his story, he also said he had permission from Jim beach to talk about the archive with fans and give a limited overview of what was there outtakes and such but he never actually did this.
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Post by pg on May 24, 2021 19:44:53 GMT
My understanding was that he contacted qpl to ask what they doing to protect the master tapes, at which point they realised they needed to do something, so he started cataloguing.
He started as a fan, wrote a book, and managed to leverage it into a dream job - fair enough.
Since then I believe he snared a similar gig for Jeff Lynne, only to then fall out with him and leave that.
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Post by georg on May 24, 2021 20:24:52 GMT
He started as a fan, wrote a book, and managed to leverage it into a dream job - fair enough. Not gonna lie, I was hoping something similar would have come out of the first printing of my book, but that wasn’t my goal (not saying that was Brooksy’s goal either of course!). I’m just glad it didn’t happen – Greg is a twit and I like to think I’m not, so who knows what kind of twittage I might have gotten into…
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Post by n39 on May 24, 2021 22:09:45 GMT
Does anyone know how the archivist's hiring came about? I'm assuming the job was not externally advertised but rather given to him due to his previous connections with QPL. What did he do to earn the job? From what we've seen over the past 26(?) years, he's extremely unqualified and incompetent. obviously not a verbatim account of events...and if pushed, i'll readily admit this is probably fiction. but in my mind, i can see something like this (below) - those who believe it probably also belong to the section of the adult society that still believe in Santa and fairies: LOCATION: John Menzies Bookshop Fiction Department (where else?), London W1. DATE: April 1st, 1994 TIME: Just before the pubs & bars open JB: Hi thanks for stopping by today, it's only a quickie, but we'd like to know... GB: Yes, yes, YES!!! i'll do it. JB: what? GB: whatever it is, polish your shoes, clean the toilets, troll fan sites... JB: we're not looking for any of that today...we're looking to appoint GB: i'll do it. JB: i haven't told what it is yet. GB: i know, i know, I KNOW! (excitedly wetting his pants) but it must be spiffing...everything to do with this organisation is bloomin' fantabuloso JB: will you shut the fuck up, please and let me speak. GB: oh, ok. JB: we're looking to recruit an archivist. do you know anyone outside of our current contacts/circles that would be interested in this new role? GB: i'm sorry, no. i don't. but i'd like to give it a go, if i may JB: whaaaaa? GB: yeah, it can't be that hard, surely to goodness. JB: do you have any relevant experience or qualifications? GB: (thinks)...well i once had a library card JB: is that all? GB: i know how to read and write - a little...but not joined-up...and only with crayon, mind JB: and...? GB: i once had a record player - a dansette it was, and it had two speeds. i never did work out how to play CDs on the thing. JB: look, we're not sure about this. any appointment we make has to be consistent with everything we've said and done since 1991 GB: well i'm pretty shit at everything i turn my hands to - i reckon i could lose, mislay, mislabel or generally break everything currently in the vaults within a fortnight - if i really set my mind to it. (now visibly jizzing his own pants) JB: good enough for me. when can you start? GB: tomorrow, but just one thing JB: yes? GB: can i troll fan sites and wind the living sh*t out of the f*ckers for evermore? and do i get a uniform and badge that says "Archivist"? JB: yes you can...but just don't say we approved it. okay? but we're not providing a uniform or badge GB: it's okay, i'll make my own badge and i'll get a t-shirt printed with "Property of..." printed on itThat is just about the best thing I've read on this site. Bravo sir
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Post by deathtoming on May 24, 2021 22:27:47 GMT
Does anyone know how the archivist's hiring came about? I'm assuming the job was not externally advertised but rather given to him due to his previous connections with QPL. What did he do to earn the job? From what we've seen over the past 26(?) years, he's extremely unqualified and incompetent. A couple of people have answered already, but I'll add just a couple more details as Greg Brooks wrote about this in an article for the special Queen edition of Record Collector magazine earlier this year. Greg writes that in 1997, he wrote a letter to Jim Beach after The Beatles released their Anthology series, offering to take on the task should Queen ever do something similar. That led to an interview and a job offer, but the actual call to start the job didn't come for a year and a half. It was initially a six-month contract to help move tapes from "their secret subterranean location to a new and even more secure base."
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Post by n39 on May 24, 2021 22:30:37 GMT
Does anyone know how the archivist's hiring came about? I'm assuming the job was not externally advertised but rather given to him due to his previous connections with QPL. What did he do to earn the job? From what we've seen over the past 26(?) years, he's extremely unqualified and incompetent. A couple of people have answered already, but I'll add just a couple more details as Greg Brooks wrote about this in an article for the special Queen edition of Record Collector magazine earlier this year. Greg writes that in 1997, he wrote a letter to Jim Beach after The Beatles released their Anthology series, offering to take on the task should Queen ever do something similar. That led to an interview and a job offer, but the actual call to start the job didn't come for a year and a half. It was initially a six-month contract to help move tapes from "their secret subterranean location to a new and even more secure base." No wonder he acts like he's guarding Area 51
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Post by badboybez on May 24, 2021 22:39:28 GMT
The blokes an arse.
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Post by theblueroom on May 25, 2021 1:58:27 GMT
All I'll say is that if I acted at my job the way he acts at his, I'd be fired.....
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Post by Makka on May 25, 2021 2:00:20 GMT
Unfortunately it looks as if there will be no Anthology release until Roger and Brian feel their 'Queen' career is over by which time a lot of original fans will have departed. This is what gets me. None of us are getting any younger and, with my own health problems, i'm sad to think there could be some great stuff I'll never get to hear.
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