Sammy B. Willickers
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jul 27, 2021 2:12:34 GMT
Hey guys, before I explain my reasoning, this is just speculation. So by now, I'm sure everyone is aware of this video: For years, it's been attributed to one of the German gigs. However, I think it could be from the Brussels gig near the end of the tour  As you can see by the video and the image, It's very similar, it's about the same size and the same positions and everything. The only thing that would prove this to be wrong is that the amplifiers are in different areas, although they could've been moved around the stage? I have no idea, but what do you guys think? |
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Post by Bul on Jul 27, 2021 4:07:57 GMT
No, man, it doesn't work that way, because they repeated their poses from show to show. And here Freddie has a different belt buckle
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Post by Bul on Jul 27, 2021 4:09:46 GMT
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jul 27, 2021 4:33:58 GMT
No, man, it doesn't work that way, because they repeated their poses from show to show. And here Freddie has a different belt buckle Yeah, but then again, they never really did any proper choreography (the Rock Montreal shows for example). We'll probably never know, but while there's a very small chance it could be from this show, it's probably not. |
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Post by Bul on Jul 27, 2021 5:11:59 GMT
I'm inclined that this is Munich, the first concert of the band in Germany
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 27, 2021 5:52:25 GMT
No, man, it doesn't work that way, because they repeated their poses from show to show. And here Freddie has a different belt buckle Yeah, but then again, they never really did any proper choreography (the Rock Montreal shows for example). We'll probably never know, but while there's a very small chance it could be from this show, it's probably not. they're not the same gig. look at the lowest bank of rear-of-stage lighting (around 00:12 - as freddie steps out left of shot). there are seven lights in both shots, but the height of each individual light in the lowest bank (not illuminated) is completely different to those of the still image. |
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Post by pg on Jul 27, 2021 6:05:30 GMT
Moving amps around mid gig is very unlikely. They are carefully miked and Brian will have spent some of the soundcheck finding various spots where feedback can occur.
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jul 27, 2021 17:40:38 GMT
Thanks very much for the info guys! I now know that the video is NOT from the Brussels gig
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Post by vh on Jul 27, 2021 18:24:35 GMT
Moving amps around mid gig is very unlikely. They are carefully miked and Brian will have spent some of the soundcheck finding various spots where feedback can occur. Yeah absolutely. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 27, 2021 18:27:42 GMT
Moving amps around mid gig is very unlikely. ...unless your roadies happen to be The Chuckle Brothers "amp to me, amp to you"  |
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Post by nate on Mar 16, 2022 10:46:38 GMT
I was thinking it was from like Frankfurt or something because Freddie has the same belt and I think Roger is wearing the same shirt, according to the pictures on queenlive.ca  |
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Post by Bul on Mar 16, 2022 21:20:51 GMT
I was thinking it was from like Frankfurt or something because Freddie has the same belt and I think Roger is wearing the same shirt, according to the pictures on queenlive.ca This is not Frankfurt, as in the second photo from the same site queenlive.ca you can see the absence of a second microphone near the bass drum. |
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Post by Bul on Mar 16, 2022 21:55:06 GMT
This is my list of candidates who could serve as the source of this video:
31.10.1974 Hanley, UK [No audio and no photos]
02.11.1974 Leeds, UK [No audio and no photos]
03.11.1974 Coventry, UK [No audio and no photos]
07.11.1974 Newcastle, UK [No audio and no photos]
09.11.1974 Lancaster, UK [No audio and no photos]
10.11.1974 Preston, UK [No audio and no photos]
12.11.1974 Bristol, UK [No audio and no photos]
13.11.1974 Bournemouth, UK [No audio and no photos]
14.11.1974 Southampton, UK [No audio and no photos]
15.11.1974 Swansea, UK [No audio and no photos]
16.11.1974 Birmingham, UK [No audio]
23.11.1974 Gothenburg, Sweden [No audio and no photos]
02.12.1974 Munich, Germany [No audio and no photos]
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Post by littlequeenie97 on Mar 17, 2022 2:44:21 GMT
This is my list of candidates who could serve as the source of this video: 31.10.1974 Hanley, UK [No audio and no photos] 02.11.1974 Leeds, UK [No audio and no photos] 03.11.1974 Coventry, UK [No audio and no photos] 07.11.1974 Newcastle, UK [No audio and no photos] 09.11.1974 Lancaster, UK [No audio and no photos] 10.11.1974 Preston, UK [No audio and no photos] 12.11.1974 Bristol, UK [No audio and no photos] 13.11.1974 Bournemouth, UK [No audio and no photos] 14.11.1974 Southampton, UK [No audio and no photos] 15.11.1974 Swansea, UK [No audio and no photos] 16.11.1974 Birmingham, UK [No audio] 23.11.1974 Gothenburg, Sweden [No audio and no photos] 02.12.1974 Munich, Germany [No audio and no photos] These pics are from Munich:   |
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Post by Bul on Mar 17, 2022 8:29:47 GMT
Thank you, littlequeenie97
Now it remains Sweden vs UK dates)
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Post by Mustapha Ibrahim on Mar 17, 2022 14:06:35 GMT
Frankfurt may still be an option as the Frankfurt pics on queenlive.ca seem to just be Andre Csillag's Oxford pictures.  |
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Post by Bul on Mar 17, 2022 18:33:30 GMT
I would like Liar to be taken from one of the German concerts, otherwise there is nothing left of the visual materials of the European tour
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Post by Emmanuel on Mar 18, 2022 1:16:02 GMT
This is my list of candidates who could serve as the source of this video: 13.11.1974 Bournemouth, UK [No audio and no photos] In Queen Photos part i shared two shots of Bournemouth queenchat.boards.net/post/33951 |
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Post by Bul on Mar 22, 2022 19:05:14 GMT
Now it looks like this:
31.10.1974 Hanley, UK [No audio and no photos]
02.11.1974 Leeds, UK [No audio and no photos]
03.11.1974 Coventry, UK [No audio and no photos]
07.11.1974 Newcastle, UK [No audio and no photos]
09.11.1974 Lancaster, UK [No audio and no photos]
10.11.1974 Preston, UK [No audio and no photos]
12.11.1974 Bristol, UK [No audio and no photos]
14.11.1974 Southampton, UK [No audio and no photos]
15.11.1974 Swansea, UK [No audio and no photos]
16.11.1974 Birmingham, UK [No audio]
23.11.1974 Gothenburg, Sweden [No audio and no photos]
04.12.1974 Frankfurt, Germany [No audio and no photos]
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 1, 2022 17:33:05 GMT
Frankfurt may still be an option as the Frankfurt pics on queenlive.ca seem to just be Andre Csillag's Oxford pictures. Great observation - thanks. I've removed them from that page now. |
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jun 24, 2022 23:47:32 GMT
Alright, I'm gonna reignite this thread. I'm thinking the video may be from Helsinki 1974.  As you can see, the little stage that's holding the drum-set up has two levels. The bottom is short and skinny, with it being more like stair-steps. This is EXACTLY how it is on the video, as seen in the video:  and there are TWO sets of lights over the drum set as seen here:  which is EXACTLY how it is on the video:  So, I'm 99% sure that this video comes from this show. I've also checked all of the lights from both of these, and they seem to line up pretty well, and so do the amps. Any thoughts? |
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Post by pittrek on Jun 25, 2022 7:48:12 GMT
Yep, I think you solved it. Unless somebody else comes up with evidence that the same lights and same steps were used on other 74 shows |
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Post by bootLuca on Jun 25, 2022 22:07:44 GMT
I disagree, in the video the bass drum seems to have 2 microphones, in none of these photos you can clearly see 2 microphones in front of the bass drum.
Indeed in the 1st photo it's clearly seen that there's only one microphone, even if it's possible that a 2nd mic may have been added later in the show.. However these photos don't seem to me to be a sure proof.
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jun 25, 2022 22:48:19 GMT
I disagree, in the video the bass drum seems to have 2 microphones, in none of these photos you can clearly see 2 microphones in front of the bass drum. Indeed in the 1st photo it's clearly seen that there's only one microphone, even if it's possible that a 2nd mic may have been added later in the show.. However these photos don't seem to me to be a sure proof. Here's another image from the show, with the two mics being clearly shown. Credits to Queenlive.ca for the image (and all of the others in my posts in this thread!)  |
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Post by bootLuca on Jun 26, 2022 1:52:55 GMT
that picture is so grainy that it's hard to see what's really there
boh, I only see one, and in a different position from that of the video, where one was central and the other on the right, but in this photo there is Brian in front covering that part
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Post by Sammy B. Willickers on Jun 26, 2022 2:08:26 GMT
Fair enough. So, do you have another idea as to where the footage could be from?
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Post by beyondthemoon on Jun 26, 2022 2:43:04 GMT
that picture is so grainy that it's hard to see what's really there boh, I only see one, and in a different position from that of the video, where one was central and the other on the right, but in this photo there is Brian in front covering that part Here's a shot that clearly shows no second bass drum mic at Helsinki:
I suspect the TV show Liar might be from Munich, since one can just barely see what looks like a second bass drum mic (which wasn't at all standard on this tour, not even the Rainbow shows have it) in one of Didi Zill's shots:
It's just barely visible at the left here, at about the area of the bass drum where it can be seen in the footage:
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Post by beyondthemoon on Jun 26, 2022 19:14:52 GMT
Interestingly, Munich, despite only having one bass drum mic and not matching the footage, has the same extra mic seen in the footage, and the usual one (as seen below in Helsinki) is missing entirely, unlike the TV footage: 
No EU SHA shows apart from Munich and the TV show Liar have any variation on this bass drum micing setup, and the setup was back to normal by Hamburg on the 5th: 
Freddie also started wearing a different belt later in the leg (its earliest photographed appearance is The Hague), so it's certainly no later than those Germany dates: 
Between all of these factors (and in case of Cologne, circulating audio), we can discount the possibility of this footage coming from (in terms of Mainland Europe dates): Helsinki, Lund, Munich, Hamburg, Cologne, The Hague, Brussels, and Barcelona.
The only mainland Europe shows unaccounted for at this point are Gothenburg and Frankfurt.
Both of these dates have no photos, but we can of course compare using photos of the venue.
From what little one can see of the venue from the footage, there is a balcony directly above the band, as seen here in the upper right: 
This would be highly unusual for a place like the Konserthuset in Gothenburg, so we can rule that out: 
This brings our attention to Frankfurt, which took place in a peculiar venue. As clarified by advertising, ticket stubs and digging through the Internet, the concert took place in the Gesellschaftshaus of the Palmengarten in Frankfurt, as seen here:
The venue is very distinct in that there's a balcony directly above where the stage would be, similar to what's seen in the footage.
Especially considering the one-off micing setup, as seen here:
The mic on the left is seemingly the same one seen at Munich (which is otherwise nowhere to be seen on this tour), and the one on the right is the usual drum mic, in addition to the venue seemingly matching, it seems probable that this footage is Frankfurt.
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Post by Bul on Jun 26, 2022 22:14:05 GMT
Ok. How did you exclude UK dates?
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Post by beyondthemoon on Jun 26, 2022 22:46:29 GMT
Ok. How did you exclude UK dates? Much of the UK leg can be completely excluded due to John’s outfit and no photographed night has the extra bass drum mic. The unique venue of the TV show Liar (I don’t believe there are any UK SHA venues with a balcony like the one seen in the footage) and the mic setup seemingly only present at the beginning of December 1974 both point to Frankfurt as being the most likely source. This quote from the Record Mirror also describes the Frankfurt venue very well and serves as further corroboration: “As you enter the 1100 capacity hall, the air is stuffed with the stench of dope — an intermingling of hash and grass and the sweat of a crowd at least 300 over the top. It’s a strange place, a former stock exchange for farmers, complete with balcony, and surrounded by tropical plants.” |
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