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Post by tilomagnet on Feb 13, 2022 22:58:06 GMT
Las Palabras would be one of the leading candidates, they soundchecked it at Leeds and Brian played the intro before Love of my Life at Milton Keynes. It's Queen's biggest hit they never played live (#17), it's no surprise that Brian got the band to play it at the first opportunity after Freddie died (the Tribute concert). Almost all of the Hot Space tracks got an outing during the album tour but not Las Palabras, I think this was one of several sore points that made Brian consider quitting the band by late 1982. I dont know if the omission of Las Palabras really annoyed Brian that much lol, but I think the Hot Space tour setlists would definately have been much stronger with Under Pressure/Life is Real/Las Palabras/Back Chat as staples from the album instead of Staying Power, Action this day or Calling all Girls or Body Language (duh)
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 14, 2022 3:23:25 GMT
What's your source that he was thinking of quitting at all ? It seems there was a general consensus that they all just needed a break after a solid decade of work. The Guitar Player 1983 interview, perhaps 'thinking of quitting' is putting it a bit strong but he certainly had doubts about continuing to do the live show: 'I didn't feel that this (Hot Space) tour was making me very happy. I've often felt that in the studio, but that's the first time I felt it on tour. I didn't feel happy until the last concert. The last night in L.A. I felt quite cheered up. I was prepared to think, "Well, I don't really want to do this anymore".'Right, that quote. Still a bit ambiguous, but he definitely wasn't saying anything like that a few years earlier.
They've always been good at keeping their interpersonal issues out of the spotlight, but 1982 certainly wasn't one of their high points, that's for sure.
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Feb 14, 2022 13:16:51 GMT
The Guitar Player 1983 interview, perhaps 'thinking of quitting' is putting it a bit strong but he certainly had doubts about continuing to do the live show: 'I didn't feel that this (Hot Space) tour was making me very happy. I've often felt that in the studio, but that's the first time I felt it on tour. I didn't feel happy until the last concert. The last night in L.A. I felt quite cheered up. I was prepared to think, "Well, I don't really want to do this anymore".'Right, that quote. Still a bit ambiguous, but he definitely wasn't saying anything like that a few years earlier.
They've always been good at keeping their interpersonal issues out of the spotlight, but 1982 certainly wasn't one of their high points, that's for sure.
It sounds not only as thinking about quitting the band but also as quitting the music industry. Maybe it was early onset of depression ?
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Post by ActionThisDay on Feb 14, 2022 19:52:29 GMT
Right, that quote. Still a bit ambiguous, but he definitely wasn't saying anything like that a few years earlier. They've always been good at keeping their interpersonal issues out of the spotlight, but 1982 certainly wasn't one of their high points, that's for sure. It's surprising alright, Brian is the last one you would expect to want to quit live performances. I've speculated about some of the reasons Brian may not have enjoyed the HS tour: - setlist concentrating on 1977-1982, less 'heavy' material - the band played all the HS 'dance' songs live except Brian's - Brian's hit single from the album wasn't played live - Brian didn't get to do his solo spot at some gigs on the tour - tour excess (drug/alcohol use) especially by Freddie & Roger
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Post by Ryan Newton on Feb 14, 2022 21:35:57 GMT
Could there be any other tracks that were originally thought to have not been performed live but actually did get one or two outings? We knew about Sleeping on the Sidewalk years ago and The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke after the Rainbow release, Long Away potentially at this show. The Night Comes Down was apparently played once in 1974. You may be thinking of Mad the Swine, reportedly performed in Memphis on April 20th 1974. Have never heard any concrete source of The Night Comes Down being played, ever.
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Post by Mercury Roadrunner on Feb 14, 2022 21:42:27 GMT
Right, that quote. Still a bit ambiguous, but he definitely wasn't saying anything like that a few years earlier.
They've always been good at keeping their interpersonal issues out of the spotlight, but 1982 certainly wasn't one of their high points, that's for sure.
It sounds not only as thinking about quitting the band but also as quitting the music industry. Maybe it was early onset of depression ? The Real Wizard, can you, please, say in more details about this part '1982 certainly wasn't one of their high points'?
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 14, 2022 22:24:00 GMT
The Night Comes Down was apparently played once in 1974. You may be thinking of Mad the Swine, reportedly performed in Memphis on April 20th 1974. Have never heard any concrete source of The Night Comes Down being played, ever. Right, of course - d'oh !
Apart from this (apparently) handwritten setlist from 1972:
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 14, 2022 22:33:52 GMT
Right, that quote. Still a bit ambiguous, but he definitely wasn't saying anything like that a few years earlier. They've always been good at keeping their interpersonal issues out of the spotlight, but 1982 certainly wasn't one of their high points, that's for sure. It's surprising alright, Brian is the last one you would expect to want to quit live performances. I've speculated about some of the reasons Brian may not have enjoyed the HS tour: - setlist concentrating on 1977-1982, less 'heavy' material - the band played all the HS 'dance' songs live except Brian's - Brian's hit single from the album wasn't played live - Brian didn't get to do his solo spot at some gigs on the tour - tour excess (drug/alcohol use) especially by Freddie & Roger They dropped the guitar solo only a small handful of times on the European leg, but it seems like it hung around from May onward. On the North American tour one of the show's highlights was the moving lights chasing him around during his solo spot.
Apart from that, that's a pretty astute analysis and you may well not be wrong. In a band that was a democracy, 1982 was definitely a year of compromise from Brian.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 14, 2022 22:46:48 GMT
It sounds not only as thinking about quitting the band but also as quitting the music industry. Maybe it was early onset of depression ? The Real Wizard, can you, please, say in more details about this part '1982 certainly wasn't one of their high points'? It's all pretty well documented. They'd been working non-stop for a decade and needed a break from each other. And compared to how unified and focused they were on their craft in the earlier years, they were starting to splinter off in different directions as people - especially Freddie in the new world of hedonism he was inhabiting, which couldn't have made things easy for the rest of them. At one point he wasn't even showing up for mixing sessions for his own songs because his interests laid elsewhere.
But of course none of us were there, so there are finer details that we'll never know.
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Post by vh on Feb 15, 2022 0:17:10 GMT
It's surprising alright, Brian is the last one you would expect to want to quit live performances. I've speculated about some of the reasons Brian may not have enjoyed the HS tour: - setlist concentrating on 1977-1982, less 'heavy' material - the band played all the HS 'dance' songs live except Brian's - Brian's hit single from the album wasn't played live - Brian didn't get to do his solo spot at some gigs on the tour - tour excess (drug/alcohol use) especially by Freddie & Roger They dropped the guitar solo only a small handful of times on the European leg, but it seems like it hung around from May onward. On the North American tour one of the show's highlights was the moving lights chasing him around during his solo spot.
Apart from that, that's a pretty astute analysis and you may well not be wrong. In a band that was a democracy, 1982 was definitely a year of compromise from Brian. Action This Day. I can't argue with any of those points as being possible reasons for Brian's disappointment with touring. I think also that his family life my have been suffering due to the amount of time from home both recording and touring was causing. Mr Wizard, good point about the lighting during Brian's solo. That was part of the 82 show from the very begining and in fact was a continuation of what was done on the 80/81 tours with the 7 blocks and six mobile spots
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Post by 85guild on Feb 15, 2022 0:22:51 GMT
At one point in time Brian told an interviewer perhaps jokingly, that there was a time it figuratively seemed like they were trying to kick him out the band. Probably a lot of truth to why he felt that way. Even on Freddie's piano based singles or even YMBF, up until Jazz, Brian's sound was everywhere. Cue 1980 and The Game, it's nowhere to be found on their biggest single ever to that date (CLTCL), to be followed up again by another song with virtually no Brian (AOBTD). Flash Gordon was keyboard heavy, and on the two North American singles for Hot Space, Brian gets a few notes on Body Language then a cursory noodling section on Calling all girls. Finally, he was invisible on Radio Ga Ga and close to it on IWTBF from the works. Add in the fact his solo disappeared and he was likely feeling totally adrift musically, and of all the Queen members, I found the new styles of music were least suited to him.
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Post by vh on Feb 15, 2022 1:18:19 GMT
85 guild, you mentioned Flash Gordon but seem to have forgotten much of that album was Brian May's input if not direct compositions and in a couple of interviews Roger praises Brian's work.
There are examples of songs on earlier Queen albums on which Brian has little input. Some of Roger's songs have more guitar played by Roger than Brian. It would be very easy to blame the other three for the lack of Brian's sound on the 80/82 and 84 albums, and I've always said that there was a definite change in direction that suited Brian certainly less than Freddie and John Deacon. But having said that, Brian's Rock n'Roll style guitar solo sound on CLTCL was the result of Mack telling Brian to use an old Telecaster. But Brian also himself said that he was trying to emulate guitarists like Scotty Moore. Though if you listen Brian's finger vibrato is still evident.
Play The Game also has Brian's obvious playing on it and had the typical vocal sound of earlier Queen songs. There are loads of other places on The Game album where Brian's guitar work is obvious, yes the album has a drier production than what came before but it's still very much a Queen album.
Same goes for Hot Space, yes there are songs that wouldn't suite very much guitar on them, but don't forget one such song is one of Brian's own compositions!
I think something worth remembering is that Queen always seemed to have a view of what was best for any particular song and that is a strength they played too. It's something which some other bands failed to understand or be capable of. But I believe that Brian along with Roger gave way to a lot of what Freddie and John wanted the band to sound like in the early 80's.
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Post by 85guild on Feb 15, 2022 5:23:58 GMT
Hi vh, certainly understood that Brian was the driving force behind a lot of Flash Gordon, however, my point remains and your examples lead credence to what Brian likely felt. Roger played a lot of guitar on The Game and Jazz too. But since Brian was the guitarist not sure that the original point of him being happy with things is solved by a drummer playing guitar instead of him. You are correct that Mack told Brian to use an old Telecaster for CLTCL. The other part of the story is that Freddie, Roger and John did the track without Brian there and Freddie wanted to do it quickly before Brain arrived to the session. Why? No idea. But maybe they wanted to get away from the style of guitar Brain was renowned for. If you can pick up Brian's vibrato on that song and saying that is Brian May playing you're a better man than I. That could have been Scotty Moore, James Burton or the guy from the Stary Cats. There is no "this is Brian May" vibe to that at all. Again, not being a mind reader, his involvement in what was the classic Queen sound was decreasing with each album. Brian wrote Dear Friends which has no guitar, and All dead, All dead, which has a one beautiful guitar break but no guitar elsewhere. Save Me is a piano heavy song so it's not like Brian had guitar on every song. However, Great King Rat had 55! bars of solo guitar 7 years before the Game. I'd be surprised if there are 55 bars of soloing on The Game, and sure as hell there in't on Hot Space. You are 100% correct that Queen played for the song and that is what made them great. But Brian, despite being one of the apparently lovely people in the world, has an enormous ego and must have felt a little out of sorts that their biggest singles had no input form him, and most of the early 80s stuff singles wise he really didn't need to be in the band. But great post, alternate thoughts welcomed and appreciated, that's how I learn
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Post by CamAaron on Feb 15, 2022 16:48:48 GMT
The Night Comes Down was apparently played once in 1974. You may be thinking of Mad the Swine, reportedly performed in Memphis on April 20th 1974. Have never heard any concrete source of The Night Comes Down being played, ever. As for a concrete source, I remember reading somewhere that during the early days, all songs on the first album except My Fairy King were played; I think this was said by a band memeber. If anything I said here is wrong, a correction would be very much appreciated, since I can't find where I read this.
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Post by vh on Feb 15, 2022 20:45:28 GMT
Hi vh, certainly understood that Brian was the driving force behind a lot of Flash Gordon, however, my point remains and your examples lead credence to what Brian likely felt. Roger played a lot of guitar on The Game and Jazz too. But since Brian was the guitarist not sure that the original point of him being happy with things is solved by a drummer playing guitar instead of him. You are correct that Mack told Brian to use an old Telecaster for CLTCL. The other part of the story is that Freddie, Roger and John did the track without Brian there and Freddie wanted to do it quickly before Brain arrived to the session. Why? No idea. But maybe they wanted to get away from the style of guitar Brain was renowned for. If you can pick up Brian's vibrato on that song and saying that is Brian May playing you're a better man than I. That could have been Scotty Moore, James Burton or the guy from the Stary Cats. There is no "this is Brian May" vibe to that at all. Again, not being a mind reader, his involvement in what was the classic Queen sound was decreasing with each album. Brian wrote Dear Friends which has no guitar, and All dead, All dead, which has a one beautiful guitar break but no guitar elsewhere. Save Me is a piano heavy song so it's not like Brian had guitar on every song. However, Great King Rat had 55! bars of solo guitar 7 years before the Game. I'd be surprised if there are 55 bars of soloing on The Game, and sure as hell there in't on Hot Space. You are 100% correct that Queen played for the song and that is what made them great. But Brian, despite being one of the apparently lovely people in the world, has an enormous ego and must have felt a little out of sorts that their biggest singles had no input form him, and most of the early 80s stuff singles wise he really didn't need to be in the band. But great post, alternate thoughts welcomed and appreciated, that's how I learn I think CLTCL would sound awful with a typical BM solo. The given story is that Freddie wrote the track quickly, went to the studio to record the song the next day, Freddie, Roger and John recorded the backing track before BM arrived, the consensus seemed to be that they wanted to get to sound as close to Freddie's vision as possible. Had Brian been there it would have taken a lot longer because Brian would have taken his time learning the song and then coming up with alternatives to Freddie's idea, causing arguments? Maybe! You mentioned the guitar solo again, I take your point, but that was the style he was looking for, however within that style BM plays a melodic solo that is close too although different to the song melody, something he very often does in a lot of his solos. You've said it could be anyone, I still don't see that. It seems that on The Game both ABTD and Crazy were recorded to sound like genuine versions of the song style rather than Queen versions of those styles. Remember Roger had already introduced funk to the Queen sound on the previous album, but it retained everything you'd want to here in the Queen sound. Something else worth remembering is that it wasn't in the late 70's early 80's that other band members played guitar on albums. As far back as the third album Brian wasn't playing all the guitars. Yes their song writing and arranging became less guitar based in the early 80's. But with the introduction of keyboards the music had to have space for that instrument, at the point of The Works they were so far into all things 80's that even some of Rogers drum parts were no longer live drums. in some ways BM was in a similar situation to Alex Lifeson in as much as the guitar wasn't a majorly featured instrument on a lot of the early to mid 80's material. Both Rush and Queen kind of returned to there "heavier" guitar led sound later in their careers, but both lost some and gained some other fans through that 80's period. Like BM Lifeson was very disgruntled with the way keys and some of the song writing was heading but both rode out the storm for there bands success.
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Post by ted on Feb 15, 2022 21:54:07 GMT
^^ I like your comparison between Brian and Alex in your last paragraph; I agree that the situations with the 2 of them and their respective groups was quite similar.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 16, 2022 21:55:31 GMT
You may be thinking of Mad the Swine, reportedly performed in Memphis on April 20th 1974. Have never heard any concrete source of The Night Comes Down being played, ever. As for a concrete source, I remember reading somewhere that during the early days, all songs on the first album except My Fairy King were played; I think this was said by a band memeber. If anything I said here is wrong, a correction would be very much appreciated, since I can't find where I read this. If that hand-written setlist from 1972 is genuine, then that claim would indeed be correct.
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Post by akirafish on Feb 17, 2022 5:56:16 GMT
As someone who has learnt a little bit about Mercury's handwriting, I think the setlist is indeed written by Freddie's hand.
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Post by sejbin on Mar 1, 2022 9:10:24 GMT
@the Real Wizard - is Saginaw missing from your site?
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Post by Billblackman on Mar 1, 2022 11:59:34 GMT
I know this is about the possibility of Long Away having been performed, but what the hell is a "Heavy Metal Cum Pop Tune"? In latin "cum" means "with" so there's no salacious sexual double meaning...
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Post by NathanH on Apr 14, 2022 12:08:49 GMT
I'm very late to this but I'm guessing that this is probably true. Long Away might've only been played once but it does seem likely when songs like The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke and Sleeping On The Sidewalk weren't confirmed either until the last few years with official recordings.
But something which I don't think was mentioned in this thread, Freddie did an interview in Detroit just a day or two prior to the gig in Saginaw (basically the aftermath of the previous gig to the specific concert review shared where Long Away is mentioned) where he talks about Long Away being heavily rehearsed:
It sounds like the group needed to rehearse Long Away a bit more but they had found a point to insert it in the show. So if they had a day between this interview and the next gig maybe rehearsing the song is what they did...
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 15, 2022 4:55:32 GMT
I'm very late to this but I'm guessing that this is probably true. Long Away might've only been played once but it does seem likely when songs like The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke and Sleeping On The Sidewalk weren't confirmed either until the last few years with official recordings. But something which I don't think was mentioned in this thread, Freddie did an interview in Detroit just a day or two prior to the gig in Saginaw (basically the aftermath of the previous gig to the specific concert review shared where Long Away is mentioned) where he talks about Long Away being heavily rehearsed: It sounds like the group needed to rehearse Long Away a bit more but they had found a point to insert it in the show. So if they had a day between this interview and the next gig maybe rehearsing the song is what they did... Well spotted.
Also interesting is him describing the first performance of Somebody to Love. I wonder how its tempo compared to the 1982 versions when it was a solid 10-15 bpm faster.
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Post by NathanH on Apr 15, 2022 8:45:52 GMT
Also interesting is him describing the first performance of Somebody to Love. I wonder how its tempo compared to the 1982 versions when it was a solid 10-15 bpm faster. I honestly think Somebody To Love live was the changing point for Queen. 1977 is the year the band became a tour de force and I'm not saying Queen weren't amazing before (because they were still great) but they lacked faith and belief that they couldn't play the complicated stuff. But in my mind if they could play Somebody To Love, they could play anything! Obviously this was the year they played at the Madison Square Garden for the first time but maybe the absolute moment was when WWRY & WATC appeared. I honestly don't think you would hear any of the group talk about the live set like Freddie did here in a few months time....
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 15, 2022 18:44:39 GMT
Also interesting is him describing the first performance of Somebody to Love. I wonder how its tempo compared to the 1982 versions when it was a solid 10-15 bpm faster. I honestly think Somebody To Love live was the changing point for Queen. 1977 is the year the band became a tour de force and I'm not saying Queen weren't amazing before (because they were still great) but they lacked faith and belief that they couldn't play the complicated stuff. But in my mind if they could play Somebody To Love, they could play anything! Obviously this was the year they played at the Madison Square Garden for the first time but maybe the absolute moment was when WWRY & WATC appeared. I honestly don't think you would hear any of the group talk about the live set like Freddie did here in a few months time.... Indeed. They usually kept their cards close to their chest, but after the "is this man a prat" interview, even more so.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 8, 2022 13:47:51 GMT
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Post by djgreg on Jun 8, 2022 13:50:41 GMT
I hope that not only is it proven that Long Away was performed at that show but a decent recording of the song somehow is found. To me that would match the importance of existing live recordings of songs such as Great King Rat, The Fairy Fellers Master-Stroke, See What a Fool I've Been and Sleeping on the Sidewalk. Ted Dont forget the holy grail of Hangman. But agreed, Long Away has long been a favorite of mine, and I was excited when Brian pulled it out of mothballs for a few brief half-performances on the 2005 QPR tour, but then he gave preference to ‘39 so that was that. Then I think Brian played it with Taylor Hawkins’ band sometime in 2010? As far as I know, that’s the only full live performance of the song with Brian out there. Yeah.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 8, 2022 13:58:20 GMT
The article states "Queen never performed the song live", so I guess they're not counting any performances outside of the original band.
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Post by georg on Jun 8, 2022 14:55:38 GMT
I wouldn’t put too much weight behind what Ultimate Classic Rock says… they’re obviously music fans who write about music they love, so I do appreciate what they do, but some of their research is relegated to the usual sources and doesn’t dig too deep. That’s not a knock against them – they write a huge amount of articles, so there’s obviously time constraints, but they’re not too definitive when it comes to the more minute details. At least, that’s been in my experience.
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Post by 2sharppencils on Jun 8, 2022 16:00:34 GMT
My rather poor footage from 2010 shows RT too....
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Post by pimderks on Jun 8, 2022 17:29:43 GMT
I'm sure they'll play it again at the Taylor Hawkins tribute concert. Along with Tenement Funster, Coming Soon and Sail Away Sweet Sister.
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