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Post by masterstroke on May 15, 2022 15:33:32 GMT
Does anyone have information on the design of the cover of Jazz? I've seen this in a Reddit comment. It is an image of the Japanese graphic designer, Yusaku Kamekura This poster for the 1973 ICSID conference in Kyoto. Obviously, the design is the same, except for the name in the center. Negative version in a book.
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Post by georg on May 15, 2022 15:44:35 GMT
Whoa, very interesting. I wonder if Cream (who actually designed the record) bought the rights to the design?
This might be one worth sending to Brian. He may not answer but it may prompt someone to look into it.
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Post by ted on May 15, 2022 16:12:44 GMT
According to Wikipedia, the Jazz album artwork was suggested by Roger, who previously saw a similar design painted on the Berlin Wall. Of course I don't know for certain that this is true but if it is, it might be possible that the designer of the above image saw the same design that Roger did. It seems fairly unlikely to me, but not impossible, and would be based on the assumption that the painting was made on the Berlin Wall first, and that it was a purely original design by whomever painted it.
The above image and the one on the cover of Jazz do look similar enough that it's hard for me to conclude that it's a coincidence. It would be nice if someone was willing and able to look into it.
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Post by velizar on May 15, 2022 16:47:43 GMT
I just realised I've been sent the exact same Japanese image in March, without even paying attention to its small differences to the Jazz cover
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Post by Dimitris on May 15, 2022 18:14:08 GMT
I think that is true that, Roger saw in Berlin wall a graffiti design with concentric cycles and the word jazz. Then suggested to the band - after the design cover team created the well known cover. So there is a possibility the cream team knew about the Japanese design and took license .
The concentric cycles always remind me the vinyl grooves.
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Post by dysan on May 15, 2022 18:35:02 GMT
I love the Jazz cover. Credited to Yusaku Kamekura who did some other great logo and poster designs. EDIT: sorry, I see his name is in the OP
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Post by ActionThisDay on May 15, 2022 19:01:57 GMT
I think the Jazz 'circles' looked great on Roger's kick drums. This is the smaller kit used for Dreamer's Ball/'39.
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Post by pg on May 15, 2022 20:08:37 GMT
If it wasn’t licensed, the original designer would have called it out but now, surely?
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Post by masterstroke on May 16, 2022 9:23:36 GMT
I don't know what Roger saw in Berlin. Obviously, concentric circles can be made in many different ways. But in this case, the cover of Jazz is exactly the same as the Kamekura poster from 1973. The question is whether it was used under license or was it plagiarized. To be honest, I have doubts that this original design was licensed by the author, maybe I'm wrong. For one thing, in graphic design, when you do a job, it's for a specific assignment for a client. It is not a free use image. Lastly, I haven't gotten any information about other work from the Cream studio, does anyone have any information?
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Post by georg on May 16, 2022 12:50:50 GMT
To be honest, I have doubts that this original design was licensed by the author, maybe I'm wrong. For one thing, in graphic design, when you do a job, it's for a specific assignment for a client. It is not a free use image. Not quite – if someone (Cream, presumably) saw the image in a magazine or art book, they could easily contact the designer or agency and license the art. Everyone has a price, especially designers who might get contacted by a rock band’s art agency… The only curious thing is there’s no credit to the original designer in the liners. That may have been part of the licensing agreement. Or Cream just flat-out stole it. But I’m going with the licensing option.
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Post by deathtoming on May 17, 2022 1:32:49 GMT
To be honest, I have doubts that this original design was licensed by the author, maybe I'm wrong. For one thing, in graphic design, when you do a job, it's for a specific assignment for a client. It is not a free use image. Not quite – if someone (Cream, presumably) saw the image in a magazine or art book, they could easily contact the designer or agency and license the art. Everyone has a price, especially designers who might get contacted by a rock band’s art agency… The only curious thing is there’s no credit to the original designer in the liners. That may have been part of the licensing agreement. Or Cream just flat-out stole it. But I’m going with the licensing option. Yeah, I feel like this kind of design work is more likely than other types to be voluntarily repurposed by the artist, since it was for an industry event that ran for a few days 6 years prior, and is not tied to long-term use or brand identity. Kamekura was a prominent designer that had designed the Tokyo Olympics '64 logo among other things, so I doubt Cream would try to pull a fast one. He also designed the logo for Nikon, and did other work, including helping with the design of the Nikon F camera itself. Here's an ad he did for Nikon in 1971, perhaps showing the origin of the concentric ring design that he used later in 1973 for the poster we've been discussing: I think the concentric squares represent the iconic pyramid-shaped viewfinder, which Kamekura himself helped to design in 1959 for a different Nikon camera. The concentric circles look like they represent the lens. You can maybe see what I mean here with the viewfinder and lens: So, when we look at the Jazz album cover, are we looking at a design originally inspired by a Nikon camera lens?
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Post by ActionThisDay on May 17, 2022 14:48:39 GMT
Was it not just the word 'Jazz' that Roger saw painted on the Berlin wall? And he thought it was amazing someone would risk their life to write something apparently meaningless. I don't think anyone would've been able to paint the circle design on the wall.
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Post by inuliger on May 24, 2022 3:34:38 GMT
While we’re on this topic, I’d also like to point this cover out, which will take no stretch of the imagination what album cover this will make spring to kind. This is a Yellow Magic Orchestra single from 1981: www.discogs.com/release/410264-Yellow-Magic-Orchestra-Tighten-UpAlso, wasn’t “Hot Space” also accused of lifting from a Procol Harum album cover too?
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Post by Dimitris on May 24, 2022 4:58:49 GMT
While we’re on this topic, I’d also like to point this cover out, which will take no stretch of the imagination what album cover this will make spring to kind. This is a Yellow Magic Orchestra single from 1981: www.discogs.com/release/410264-Yellow-Magic-Orchestra-Tighten-UpAlso, wasn’t “Hot Space” also accused of lifting from a Procol Harum album cover too? Good spot! I always thought that The Miracle was inspired by the single cover of Iron Maiden's Can I play with madness. Hot space is very inspired by Andy Warhol, there are some photos, while he was photoshooting Freddie. I think the four colors are very similar with the disco dance floor.
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Post by inuliger on May 24, 2022 7:47:53 GMT
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Post by pg on May 24, 2022 7:51:13 GMT
Try "Flyback 2" by T Rex.
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Post by Dimitris on May 24, 2022 11:38:07 GMT
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Post by masterstroke on May 24, 2022 13:41:26 GMT
Well, I think things need to be clarified. It is one thing to take an idea, to reinterpret it. It may be the case of overlapping faces as they have done in the Yellow Magic Orchestra single. Or Andy Warhol's style for the cover of Hot Space. In the case of TRex's Flyback 2 cover, the almost exact coincidence of colors is curious. One can suspect that it was a reference to the design of Hot Space, but not sure. Everyone can subjectively think so.
Finally, the case of Jazz is different, it is an image that has been used exactly the same. The inclusion of the name "Jazz" does not imply a new design. What we do know is that Yusaku Kamekura is one of the best graphic designers in history, but we don't know if there was an agreement with him to use his creation. That is my great doubt. And I think badly, and I think it was not like that, but I would like to be wrong. Sorry for Google English.
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Post by ActionThisDay on May 26, 2022 12:19:39 GMT
Did we not establish that the Miracle cover was based on this Japanese design?
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Post by inuliger on May 26, 2022 17:35:16 GMT
Did we not establish that the Miracle cover was based on this Japanese design? That’s the first I’ve seen that! Where is this from?
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Post by ActionThisDay on May 27, 2022 18:52:13 GMT
Unsure where it came from. It was deathtoming who posted it in this thread: link
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Post by dysan on Oct 5, 2022 13:22:21 GMT
I saw this during the intro titles of the original Twilight Zone TV series and thought of this thread
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