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Post by angusscrimm on Nov 25, 2022 2:47:20 GMT
It was a big hit, so you never know..I think they should do every album. That would be nice. BUT...is there enough material to warrant it? There's not *supposed* to be much left from the Queen sessions (same for QII), so they might find it difficult to do anything expansive with those. The 2CD sets for the 40th anniversary might be all she wrote for those. We know they can most likely do it for Hot Space and Innuendo, and possibly for AKOM. Tbh, not sure about the rest of what's available for the rest of the albums, and we already have NOTW and The Miracle. I'd love them just to put all that's available (demos and out-take wise, that is) in a single, warts and all, nothing missed out, chronological order set. With all the bootleg stuff/acquirements we've gained over the years, combined with what's officially available, I'm pretty sure we can all do our own fantasy sets now - i.e folders full of demos, folders full of alternate versions, folders full of the tracks they played live from each album. |
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Post by IanR on Nov 25, 2022 5:02:11 GMT
The 'new' guitar solo in Invisible Man is present right at the end of the old album version. Listen around the 4:04 mark, and then compare to the album tracks as it fades out. Am I wrong?
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Post by Plengel on Nov 25, 2022 6:30:06 GMT
It was a big hit, so you never know..I think they should do every album. That would be nice. BUT...is there enough material to warrant it? There's not *supposed* to be much left from the Queen sessions (same for QII), so they might find it difficult to do anything expansive with those It depends on how they would want to put it out. I kind of like the approach they seem to be doing right now. Album + Sessions + Remixes + Instrumentals. We know already that they have outtakes available of Great King Rat and The March of the Black Queen. I'm sure they have them also for the other tracks on the album. If that's enough to Frankenstein a sessions disc for the early albums, I don't know. Big benefit for any pre-Miracle is that they can include concert CD's and Blu-ray's. With that, you can easily create a 7 - 8 disc expanded set per album. I know a live registration was not included in the News of the World boxset, but I have the feeling they were just exploring back then what the possibilities were. Since Queen has such a live reputation, I think they will try to give it a more prominent place in future releases. |
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Post by Nick on Nov 25, 2022 10:51:50 GMT
Although the lack of surround mix in the new Revolver edition has annoyed Beatles fans, they’ve showed with the Sgt Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road and Let it Be sets how to properly do box sets.
You don’t need endless unreleased songs - demos and alternate/work in progress takes suffice. The added bonus is any studio chat.. While the NOTW and Miracle sets give a glimpse into what was happening in the studio during the recording of those albums, there must be so much more that we’ll never hear.
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Post by angusscrimm on Nov 25, 2022 12:41:54 GMT
That would be nice. BUT...is there enough material to warrant it? There's not *supposed* to be much left from the Queen sessions (same for QII), so they might find it difficult to do anything expansive with those It depends on how they would want to put it out. I kind of like the approach they seem to be doing right now. Album + Sessions + Remixes + Instrumentals. We know already that they have outtakes available of Great King Rat and The March of the Black Queen. I'm sure they have them also for the other tracks on the album. If that's enough to Frankenstein a sessions disc for the early albums, I don't know. Big benefit for any pre-Miracle is that they can include concert CD's and Blu-ray's. With that, you can easily create a 7 - 8 disc expanded set per album. I know a live registration was not included in the News of the World boxset, but I have the feeling they were just exploring back then what the possibilities were. Since Queen has such a live reputation, I think they will try to give it a more prominent place in future releases. We can only hope! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 15:37:29 GMT
Is it just me or are the miracle video clips on the queen the greatest vlog part 2, better quality than the hd video on youtube?
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Post by deathtoming on Nov 25, 2022 23:50:59 GMT
I'm noticing a lot of rain/water imagery with The Miracle album...
Khashoggi's Ship
The Miracle: drop of rain, Golden Gate, Captain Cook
When Love Breaks Up: waters, rain, into the sea, cross the sea
Breakthru: from the rain
Rain Must Fall: rain must fall
Scandal: open the floodgates
Was it All Worth It: Bali
You Know You Belong to Me: let the rain wash it away
Water: let the water roll, let them know the rain
Chinese Torture (as in Chinese water torture)
Too Much Love Will Kill You: raining down on me
Also, there's River of Words
Any others I missed?
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Post by manymilesaway on Nov 26, 2022 2:36:15 GMT
Honestly I Guess We're Falling Out's original ending was better. It's nice to hear this unheard ending, but the one on the leaked ending is much more tasteful. A song like IGWFO doesn't need a big rocker ending.
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Post by cmi on Nov 26, 2022 6:38:15 GMT
Does anyone can tell if DVD or Blu-Ray menus or credits have any 'Miracle'-releated unused music or something?
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Post by kentster on Nov 26, 2022 9:34:17 GMT
Does any can tell if DVD or Blu-Ray menus or credits have any 'Miracle'-releated unused music or something? Hi cmi
No, pretty sure it was just a loop of the hang on in there intro. I'll go re-check it later and report back if there's anything else.
I'm curious about the DTS surround audio on the video clips. I'd like to see an A:B comparison with the previous Flix audio. I wondered if these new clips had more discrete channel separation. Wishful thinking perhaps, but I heard a few sounds in the rears on Breakthru I didn't recognize. It got me thinking, if they WERE pulling apart the audio for this boxset, it's the perfect time to test out surround sound remixes ahead of a potential 5.1 / 7.1 Miracle album (in a few years time).
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Post by baronlutenvank on Nov 26, 2022 15:58:53 GMT
Although the lack of surround mix in the new Revolver edition has annoyed Beatles fans, they’ve showed with the Sgt Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road and Let it Be sets how to properly do box sets. You don’t need endless unreleased songs - demos and alternate/work in progress takes suffice. The added bonus is any studio chat.. While the NOTW and Miracle sets give a glimpse into what was happening in the studio during the recording of those albums, there must be so much more that we’ll never hear. I did observe that The Beatles output had an influence on Queen in a way. When the Sgt. Pepper's box set came out, Queen later announced a NOTW box set. For The Miracle, I read in a Guitar World interview that Brian said they were inspired by Get Back. I'll give Queen credit, The Miracle session is short and sweet. For The Beatles, I had to make a playlist of what I think are the highlights of the Revolver sessions. |
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Post by rad on Nov 26, 2022 17:03:06 GMT
IWIA video on dvd disc has an audio/video desync (DTS surround mix). How about BD version?
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Post by badboybez on Nov 26, 2022 20:44:49 GMT
So had a response for the missing ‘teaser press pack’
Complete fabrication as I know it is posted in the same bag as the boxset.
Utter idiots and NOT happy.
Their reply….
I have looked into this, it appears the order is now lost in transit to you or has been held up in the postal service
Unfortunately the item is out of stock so I'm unable to issue a replacement, therefore I have issued you with a full refund. If you could please allow 3-5 working days for the transaction to appear in your account.
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Post by angusscrimm on Nov 27, 2022 0:46:42 GMT
^ So basically whilst you didn't get your press kit, you did get a Miracle Box set for nothing? That's not too shabby a result!
I got a replacement for my damaged box today, and they didn't ask for the other one back (well, yet anyway!).
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Post by badboybez on Nov 27, 2022 7:49:58 GMT
^ So basically whilst you didn't get your press kit, you did get a Miracle Box set for nothing? That's not too shabby a result! I got a replacement for my damaged box today, and they didn't ask for the other one back (well, yet anyway!). No just the refund for the press kit. |
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Post by Rick on Nov 27, 2022 10:09:50 GMT
Does John's ending (The Miracle) feature slap bass or is it some sort of rhythm guitar? I think it's the latter myself, but I'm not sure. Starts around 4:10. I bet John played that part.
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Post by chowder on Nov 27, 2022 11:57:33 GMT
Lovely set!
Liked the liner notes, especially the revelation about Feel The Force and Why Don't We Try Again.
If only they included rough versions of those in the set!
The best moment on the session disc is probably Freddie's false start in Rain Must Fall. Gotta love that innocent "who!"
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Post by angusscrimm on Nov 27, 2022 12:11:11 GMT
^ So basically whilst you didn't get your press kit, you did get a Miracle Box set for nothing? That's not too shabby a result! I got a replacement for my damaged box today, and they didn't ask for the other one back (well, yet anyway!). No just the refund for the press kit. Ah, bummer. Doesn't really encourage to use them again. I know I might have lucked out this time, but their shenanigans of late is concerning. |
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Post by NathanH on Nov 27, 2022 12:51:48 GMT
I think Queen Productions are probably regretting how they sold and marketed the News Of The World box set. Why? Are there two bigger Queen songs on one of their albums? Jazz, The Game and The Works come close but pretty much any human being in the civilised world we'll have heard WWRY and WATC.
News Of The World pretty much only came with two formats, the expensive box set or the new vinyl reissue. This The Miracle reissue had so many different formats, including the budget but clever two disc deluxe edition. This should've been done with News Of The World reissue.
The fact NOTW, which could be seen as the easiest Queen album to market (big songs, huge tour with filmed concert, iconic album cover, behind the scenes footage of recording the album, etc.), didn't do a budget two disc edition is why it only peaked at #58 compared to The Miracle's #6.
Personally they should do the News Of The World box set again do they can do a two disc edition. Perhaps it's too late now, the fans may have already got the "new" tracks. I was hoping with The Miracle box set going on streaming services, they would put the NOTW on.
Seriously though, all the Beatles reissues have either gone to #1 and #2 because they do lots of different formats. If Queen did this in the first place, NOTW would've probably beaten it's #4 in the UK and quite possibly go to #1.
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 27, 2022 15:48:10 GMT
I think Queen Productions are probably regretting how they sold and marketed the News Of The World box set. Why? Are there two bigger Queen songs on one of their albums? Jazz, The Game and The Works come close but pretty much any human being in the civilised world we'll have heard WWRY and WATC. News Of The World pretty much only came with two formats, the expensive box set or the new vinyl reissue. This The Miracle reissue had so many different formats, including the budget but clever two disc deluxe edition. This should've been done with News Of The World reissue. The fact NOTW, which could be seen as the easiest Queen album to market (big songs, huge tour with filmed concert, iconic album cover, behind the scenes footage of recording the album, etc.), didn't do a budget two disc edition is why it only peaked at #58 compared to The Miracle's #6. Personally they should do the News Of The World box set again do they can do a two disc edition. Perhaps it's too late now, the fans may have already got the "new" tracks. I was hoping with The Miracle box set going on streaming services, they would put the NOTW on. Seriously though, all the Beatles reissues have either gone to #1 and #2 because they do lots of different formats. If Queen did this in the first place, NOTW would've probably beaten it's #4 in the UK and quite possibly go to #1. Notw sold much more in first week, same Rainbow boxset compare The Miracle with its all formats, boxset , 2cds, picture disc, digital and stream. Only 7,834 sales in UK , many sales come from buyers outside UK. During NOTW 2017 Queen were announcing US , European , Casino concerts. It was more an excuse for big tour rather a reissue. However it had bigger sales. |
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Post by florians on Nov 28, 2022 7:15:27 GMT
The Miracle is #2 in the German Charts. No idea about sales.
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Post by khizzy on Nov 28, 2022 10:50:46 GMT
Number 4 in the UK album charts which is a very strong showing for a box set of a lesser known album.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 28, 2022 10:53:52 GMT
Number 4 in the UK album charts which is a very strong showing for a box set of a lesser known album. But that could just be the 2CD, yes? |
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Post by khizzy on Nov 28, 2022 10:55:44 GMT
Number 4 in the UK album charts which is a very strong showing for a box set of a lesser known album. But that could just be the 2CD, yes? That's a good point - and you might well be correct, but 2CD or box set, either way it's still a good indicator to the band that this stuff can sell. |
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 28, 2022 11:10:43 GMT
But that could just be the 2CD, yes? That's a good point - and you might well be correct, but 2CD or box set, either way it's still a good indicator to the band that this stuff can sell. It isn't 4 , it went 6 with low sales counting digital, stream, 2cds etc. Some sales are from outside UK buyers. I wonder are any hardcore fans left in UK? I don't know what was the production and promotion cost to compare it with the avenue. Maybe Queen and record company have profits. The only indicator for future releases. |
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Post by khizzy on Nov 28, 2022 11:55:02 GMT
That's a good point - and you might well be correct, but 2CD or box set, either way it's still a good indicator to the band that this stuff can sell. It isn't 4 , it went 6 with low sales counting digital, stream, 2cds etc. Some sales are from outside UK buyers. I wonder are any hardcore fans left in UK? I don't know what was the production and promotion cost to compare it with the avenue. Maybe Queen and record company have profits. The only indicator for future releases. Really? I had a look at the official chart page and it said #4. www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/ |
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Post by Dimitris on Nov 28, 2022 12:04:50 GMT
It isn't 4 , it went 6 with low sales counting digital, stream, 2cds etc. Some sales are from outside UK buyers. I wonder are any hardcore fans left in UK? I don't know what was the production and promotion cost to compare it with the avenue. Maybe Queen and record company have profits. The only indicator for future releases. Really? I had a look at the official chart page and it said #4. www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/ Maybe you watched midweek charts, it was 3 then 4, in the end went #6 with 7,834 sales. www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/In Germany is number #2 ,however the German charts are compiled by revenue. I think despite the low sales if the profit is good, then we will see more releases like the miracle |
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Post by mike71 on Nov 28, 2022 13:54:48 GMT
Charting at 6 is pretty good for an album that's 33 years old. TM isn't exactly a landmark album.
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Post by angusscrimm on Nov 28, 2022 18:24:48 GMT
For it to have been in the top 3 or 4 initially is good stuff, considering it's not even a favourite of the diehard fans. "Tailing off" to 6 isn't all that shabby either. I think the signs could be there for more stuff.
I haven't listened to all of the Greg Brooks interview either and I know we can usually take what he says with a pinch of salt, but the idea of the Queen/Queen II combined set is interesting. Maybe, just maybe!
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Post by Lord Fickle on Nov 28, 2022 18:37:18 GMT
So, how does this chart stuff work? Is this sales of the box, the 2CD set, or a combination of both? To take it to extremes, if they sold 100,000 2CD sets, and half a dozen boxes that could well pave the way for future releases.
Personally I'd rather just have a standard CD of the interesting stuff, and not have great big boxes cluttering up my lounge!
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