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Post by leighburne on Jun 1, 2023 13:32:07 GMT
Fuck it. I'm not buying vinyl I don't want just to get a CD of 20 second clips of twiddly jams. If they'd made complete alternate versions it might have been different but I just can't justify the purchase when I'll probably only listen to them once. If I can't get the Jap import for a reasonable price I'll just download it from iTunes. Sorry, Brian, but any joyful anticipation of this release has turned to bitter disappointment at the available formats. To quote a Queen lyric: "It's a rip off..." š My thoughts exactly. If the importās too much Iāll get the one-disc release and just download the bonus stuff.
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Post by David Jones on Jun 1, 2023 13:36:50 GMT
No BM signed version this time which is a shameā¦.
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Post by dave76 on Jun 1, 2023 13:50:00 GMT
So he mentioned he "gives us all" so where's the original Star Fleet music video?
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Post by mikusguitarius on Jun 1, 2023 13:52:36 GMT
Unless I'm being really stupid.... why are we getting a live recording of WWRY?
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Post by leighburne on Jun 1, 2023 14:00:47 GMT
Unless I'm being really stupid.... why are we getting a live recording of WWRY? Blurb says āLet Me Outā segues straight into it so presumably they didnāt want to put an awkward edit in there.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jun 1, 2023 14:11:17 GMT
Unless I'm being really stupid.... why are we getting a live recording of WWRY? And why is the edited version of Starfleet track #1 and the full version the last track? I think it's fair to say that the full length Starfleet will be everyone's go-to version, followed by the other 2 original EP tracks... Doesn't even have a remastered version of the original and "Son Of" is crackly old vinyl only. Again. Frankly, since they remixed from scratch, it's a, not-unexpected, disappointment there wasn't a DVD in here with a surround sound mix and promo video. I see they decided NOT to use the "Newsbeat" Radio Interview from 9th November 1983 I sent them. They could have easily cleaned this up and speed corrected it: mega.nz/file/NdNnxSYb#F7wKV5a3ugb_tPr9F-4-S2-j0brvccQoKmn6wt5v5Js
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Post by jeroeng on Jun 1, 2023 14:12:31 GMT
So, no 2CD and disc 2 + Son Of Star Fleet only available in the boxset. I guess I will again only order the QOL-exclusive items (CDS + 7" bundle, cassette, picture disc), and get the rest from somewhere else. It will save me double VAT, which I assume QOL will still incorrectly charge. Still doubting on the boxset, but possibly when I find it somewhere a bit cheaper I might get it (It worked with the Miracle boxset, got it for half the QOL-price and even several weeks earlier)
edit: And indeed my checkout order states "VAT included (Netherlands)", so I'm curious if this time QOL have done their homework and will use IOSS to mark the package as "VAT payed", otherwise customs will probably charge double VAT again.
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Post by leighburne on Jun 1, 2023 14:17:16 GMT
Incidentally, those live tracks are from the Palace Theater in L.A. - is that not the same gig that produced the live B-side version of āToo Much Love Will Kill Youā?
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jun 1, 2023 14:24:40 GMT
That's what I thought. Literally NEW(ly) recorded guitar, not a 1983 recording.
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Post by funinspace81 on Jun 1, 2023 16:40:26 GMT
Incidentally, those live tracks are from the Palace Theater in L.A. - is that not the same gig that produced the live B-side version of āToo Much Love Will Kill Youā? Yup
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Post by inuliger on Jun 1, 2023 17:35:27 GMT
Unless I'm being really stupid.... why are we getting a live recording of WWRY? And why is the edited version of Starfleet track #1 and the full version the last track? I think it's fair to say that the full length Starfleet will be everyone's go-to version, followed by the other 2 original EP tracks... Doesn't even have a remastered version of the original and "Son Of" is crackly old vinyl only. Again. Frankly, since they remixed from scratch, it's a, not-unexpected, disappointment there wasn't a DVD in here with a surround sound mix and promo video. I see they decided NOT to use the "Newsbeat" Radio Interview from 9th November 1983 I sent them. They could have easily cleaned this up and speed corrected it: mega.nz/file/NdNnxSYb#F7wKV5a3ugb_tPr9F-4-S2-j0brvccQoKmn6wt5v5JsThat either boiled down to space considerations, or rights clearance issues. I know for a fact there was radio material they wanted to put on "On Air" but couldn't because they either couldn't get the rights cleared, or cleared in time.
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Post by DasTarD on Jun 1, 2023 17:49:35 GMT
I do not need a Vinyl etc. why isn't there a 2CD version, the original + Star Fleet The Complete Sessions ?
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Post by Chinwonder2 on Jun 1, 2023 17:54:07 GMT
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 1, 2023 18:18:48 GMT
That does look a little better than I was expecting, but I still don't need the vinyl. And how many times would one want to hear 11 versions of Star Fleet?
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 1, 2023 18:29:40 GMT
That does look a little better than I was expecting, but I still don't need the vinyl. And how many times would one want to hear 11 versions of Star Fleet? Come on LF don`t feel that way there might be a different note in each of them š
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 1, 2023 18:34:19 GMT
I do not need a Vinyl etc. why isn't there a 2CD version, the original + Star Fleet The Complete Sessions ? Famous ABBA song comes to mind.
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Post by pg on Jun 1, 2023 18:44:51 GMT
Random thoughts... <Sigh> How much? It's not just Son of Star Fleet missing, there's also at least one more 7" edit (US Promo) That first disc is a really weird sequence WWRY shouldn't be there. Drop in Let Me Out from The Astoria 90 instead. No hi res? No surround? No video? It didn't need to be on a BluRay, a USB stick would have worked. The only way to get the "new" content is to also buy 12" vinyl (I have the original) 7" vinyl (I have the original) CD1 (half of which I bought on the BTTL Cd singles in '92, and I'm not interested in the interviews) A badge (I'm not 12) A poster (ditto, I'm already using more than an appropriate amount of wall space for posters and ephemera) New overdubs? Fuck that. The best photo for the single cover would have been the inner cover of the original, with swapped instruments. Has Richard Gray suffered some sort of brain injury? I'll be taking the "environmental" approach to this release....
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Post by pg on Jun 1, 2023 18:46:59 GMT
Going by this track list and times, the majority of these takes are in full, aside from a few that are false starts or whatever. This is taken from the page on QoBuz, where it's available digitally: -Chin I'm sure you're right, but they could also be 3 minutes of studio chatter followed by a one minute false start....
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Post by pg on Jun 1, 2023 19:23:42 GMT
Unless I'm being really stupid.... why are we getting a live recording of WWRY? Blurb says āLet Me Outā segues straight into it so presumably they didnāt want to put an awkward edit in there. The tape from that night doesn't have Let Me Out at all, and yet WWRY manages to start without any awkwardness
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jun 1, 2023 20:07:41 GMT
Interesting. The site says 24:96 Hi res. I wonder if it's "real" or upscaled? You never know for sure with these sites.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 1, 2023 20:20:56 GMT
That does look a little better than I was expecting, but I still don't need the vinyl. And how many times would one want to hear 11 versions of Star Fleet? Come on LF don`t feel that way there might be a different note in each of them š Lol! I know I've been a bit negative towards it, but having spent probably Ā£1000s over the last fifty years on Queen products, many of them purchased multiple times, I do feel a little aggrieved at being taken for a mug, once again. It's not the product I'm complaining about, it's purely the way it's being sold.
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Post by Raf on Jun 1, 2023 20:22:44 GMT
And how many times would one want to hear 11 versions of Star Fleet? No offense, but how many times have we read on these boards (and even on this thread) people moaning about the Another World outtakes being too short or The Miracle ones being too polished up? Let's cut the Doc some slack, he's mostly doing what we've been asking for the past years It's an either/or situation... Either we get a bunch of repetitive outtakes or we get an incomplete, but pre-selected and/or polished up "ready to listen" CD. I can't see how he could've offered the whole deal while still making it an interesting listen for a morning jog or something. There's a reason why Queen's commercial releases are often very produced and polished. It does make things easier to listen and enjoy. Some books aren't meant to be ready linearly, but instead we skim through the pages a couple of times in our lives and then just go back to it to study few selected topics here and there. That's how I see this CD: it's not the sort of thing you put in your car to use as a fun trip playlist, but rather something for curious fans to listen a few times in their lifetime looking for some hidden gem, a different lick, a fun creative moment between Brian and EVH, and then probably pick a couple of favorite versions to always go back to.
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Post by mikusguitarius on Jun 1, 2023 20:34:06 GMT
Unless I'm being really stupid.... why are we getting a live recording of WWRY? Blurb says āLet Me Outā segues straight into it so presumably they didnāt want to put an awkward edit in there. Aha! Thatās sounds fair enough then. Thanks.
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Post by saintjiub on Jun 1, 2023 21:10:54 GMT
The full track listing is ok UK iTunes. 23 tracks, release date July 14th. To expand on this - the sessions disc is included on the iTunes version, so itāll be available outside the box set digitally in the UK at least. I have an Android phone and live in the USA ... is there a legitimate way I can purchase the music from the 2nd CD WITHOUT buying the fluffy box set? I did not buy the new version of Mr Bad Guy (remixed?) ... and i won't buy the one CD version of Star Fleet.
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Post by leighburne on Jun 1, 2023 21:14:14 GMT
I have an Android phone and live in the USA ... is there a legitimate way I can purchase the music from the 2nd CD WITHOUT buying the fluffy box set? I couldnāt say, Iām afraid - Iām in the UK. Iāve no idea what the score is over there.
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Post by saintjiub on Jun 1, 2023 21:19:37 GMT
I have an Android phone and live in the USA ... is there a legitimate way I can purchase the music from the 2nd CD WITHOUT buying the fluffy box set? I couldnāt say, Iām afraid - Iām in the UK. Iāve no idea what the score is over there. I suppose I could buy the 2 CD Japan import which is about $26 plus shipping, but stubbornly I do not like paying over $30 for "1.5" CDs. If I buy it I will not feel too much like I am being treated as an ATM.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 1, 2023 21:26:05 GMT
And how many times would one want to hear 11 versions of Star Fleet? No offense, but how many times have we read on these boards (and even on this thread) people moaning about the Another World outtakes being too short or The Miracle ones being too polished up? Let's cut the Doc some slack, he's mostly doing what we've been asking for the past years It's an either/or situation... Either we get a bunch of repetitive outtakes or we get an incomplete, but pre-selected and/or polished up "ready to listen" CD. I can't see how he could've offered the whole deal while still making it an interesting listen for a morning jog or something. There's a reason why Queen's commercial releases are often very produced and polished. It does make things easier to listen and enjoy. Some books aren't meant to be ready linearly, but instead we skim through the pages a couple of times in our lives and then just go back to it to study few selected topics here and there. That's how I see this CD: it's not the sort of thing you put in your car to use as a fun trip playlist, but rather something for curious fans to listen a few times in their lifetime looking for some hidden gem, a different lick, a fun creative moment between Brian and EVH, and then probably pick a couple of favorite versions to always go back to. None taken, and I do get your point.Ā We're never happy, are we?Ā But, as I said in another post, it's not so much the content of the Star Fleet release I'm unhappy with, but the way it's being marketed.Ā I know no one is forcing me to buy it, but if I want a physical copy of the extra material on the second disc, I've either got to purchase a box set containing vinyl I have no use for, or seek out a Japanese import.Ā With most of the recent Queen (& related) archive releases, alongside the gems, there's been an element of frustation, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this is no different.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 1, 2023 21:27:40 GMT
I suppose I could buy the 2 CD Japan import which is about $26 plus shipping, but stubbornly I do not like paying over $30 for "1.5" CDs. Where have you seen it listed?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 1, 2023 21:37:29 GMT
One thing I am looking forward to is the live version of Let Me Out, as presumably that would have Cozy on drums?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 1, 2023 21:50:41 GMT
I have an Android phone and live in the USA ... is there a legitimate way I can purchase the music from the 2nd CD WITHOUT buying the fluffy box set? The MP3s of the second disc are listed on Amazon UK, so presumably will be on Amazon US as well. That said, I also have an Android phone, but I still use iTunes on my computer and laptop, as I believe the downloads are of better quality than Amazon's. I can then transfer those downloads from iTunes to my phone.
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