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Post by pg on Sept 8, 2022 6:24:22 GMT
Isn't "Instru-Miracles" more natural anyway?
Content-wise, instrumentals are a little disappointing, and always feel like filler to me... And a bit sacrilegious - we have little enough Freddie as it is, so a whole disc without the voice is not thrilling.
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Post by antonio on Sept 8, 2022 6:59:09 GMT
One cd with outtakes and alternate takes....LIke bonus CD of News Of The World Box.
So the most productive period of time for the band fits perfectly well in....2 cd....The regular album + some outtakes which fit another one...
I´m afraid, in QPL there is a big big problem if they release more than 1 cd of unreleased stuff at the same time...
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Post by georg on Sept 8, 2022 13:47:41 GMT
Isn't "Instru-Miracles" more natural anyway? Content-wise, instrumentals are a little disappointing, and always feel like filler to me... And a bit sacrilegious - we have little enough Freddie as it is, so a whole disc without the voice is not thrilling. While I agree that less Freddie isn’t ideal, I do like the idea of instrumentals as a bonus, but like a throwaway bonus, so on a DVD or something and not as it’s own CD. While I’m dreaming I also would like a cappella/vocals-only mixes as an additional bonus, in tandem with the instrumentals on that DVD, to hear the intricacies in both vocal and instrumental arrangements. |
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Post by donovan on Sept 8, 2022 17:21:32 GMT
I too like the instrumentals! I find I notice some nuances in playing that I wouldn't have picked out otherwise.
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 8, 2022 22:35:21 GMT
I too like the instrumentals! I find I notice some nuances in playing that I wouldn't have picked out otherwise. Absolutely!! It’s not all about the vocals!! |
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Post by inuliger on Sept 12, 2022 2:06:43 GMT
I too like the instrumentals! I find I notice some nuances in playing that I wouldn't have picked out otherwise. Absolutely. And they’re the next best thing to having a full multitrack set to pick through and discover even more. |
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Post by august on Sept 14, 2022 11:10:46 GMT
  User Hutchence posted this on the QOL forums. It's from the Record Collector magazine, out this thursday.
Do I read this correctly?
The box will include: 1) Original album cut 2) A variant outtake of the album 3) 16 track Miracle sessions (10 old tracks + 6 unissued tracks) 4) 11 track Alternative Miracle 5) 10 instrumental takes
Some questions do concider:
What is the difference between 2 and 4? my interpretation is that 4 is probably the "raw sessions" type of thing but what 2 contains? Alternative mixes of album cuts?
Also, what's the differencre between 3 and 4? Does 3 contain only songs that were not released on the album (10 songs/segments of songs that have been released in one way or another but not in The Miracle album (like the B-sides + TMLWKY, A New Life Is Born, All Gods People...) + 6 songs that have never been released (FIA, IGWFO...)? Or is my understanding of this completely wrong?
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Sept 14, 2022 12:41:37 GMT
What is the probability that TMLWKY writing rights issue - which was a problem in the 89' - has resurfaced and is the reason of delaying this release ?
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Post by NathanH on Sept 14, 2022 12:47:55 GMT
This is how I've interpreted the Record Collector magazine:
Disc 1 - Vinyl: 2011 remaster with Too Much Love Will KIll
You (track 5)
Disc 2 - CD 1: 2011 remaster (just the standard album)
Disc 3 - CD 2: "The Miracle Sessions" (tracks from the album, maybe some of the non-album tracks and unreleased stuff like Face It Alone and I Guess We're Falling Out)
Disc 4 - CD 3: "Alternative Miracle" (single and extended versions, and the non-album tracks)
Disc 5 - CD 4: "Miracl-umentals" (instrumental and backing track mixes of the standard album)
Disc 6 - CD 5: "The Miracle Radio Interviews"
Disc 7 - DVD or Blu-Ray: "The Miracle Videos"
Disc 8 - not sure??
I think by judging the wording of the article, there is one boxset which has the DVD and the other has the Blu-ray but it seems a weird thing. If this is then I'm one disc short. But if there is just the one box set with both the DVD and Blu-ray on it, then what I've listed above could be right.
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Post by NathanH on Sept 14, 2022 12:51:03 GMT
What is the probability that TMLWKY writing rights issue - which was a problem in the 89' - has resurfaced and is the reason of delaying this release ? Not a problem now. Freddie didn't want to be getting a smaller percentage of songwriting royalties. Basically, the band agreed that all the tracks on The Miracle would be an equal split of 25% each. But, as Brian wrote Too Much Love Will KIll You with two other people, the band would've been sharing Brian's 33.33%. So, instead of earning 25% each, the band would've only got 8.33% of the royalties each. So, Brian releasing TMLWKY as a solo song first solved the songwriting problems. It was just the case of the rest of the band agreeing to release the song (which didn't have their names listed for royalties) for inclusion on Made In Heaven. But it sounds like the band were thinking of releasing it in 1992 on the Live At Wembley '86 album. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 14, 2022 13:03:52 GMT
I wonder if the fact that we're heading into a severe financial crisis might be a factor? They might not think it appropriate to issue a lavish and costly box set at a time when people will be struggling to pay bills this winter.
Cynically, one might also consider that they may think sales could be affected by the same issues, and that could be another reason for holding it back.
With Roger just having announced his live album, I'd be very surprised if another major Queen product was released this side of Christmas.
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Post by Egietje on Sept 14, 2022 14:29:51 GMT
Another thing that might be considered, at least for the next couple of days, is that it would be in bad taste to announce a new Queen product during the UK's mourning period after the Queen's death
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Post by NathanH on Sept 14, 2022 14:32:50 GMT
I wonder if the fact that we're heading into a severe financial crisis might be a factor? They might not think it appropriate to issue a lavish and costly box set at a time when people will be struggling to pay bills this winter. Cynically, one might also consider that they may think sales could be affected by the same issues, and that could be another reason for holding it back. With Roger just having announced his live album, I'd be very surprised if another major Queen product was released this side of Christmas. I personally wouldn't call Roger's live album a major Queen product because it's only available on one online shop. Anyway, Queen have released two new products within three months before in 2014. If anything, the thing which will delay the release is how expensive it might be. I completely agree with your financial points. They need to realise that if they sold cheaper or did a more condensed version, they would sell more copies and probably make more money. Financially at the moment, there is no way I will buy it if it's more than a £100. |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 14, 2022 14:43:14 GMT
What is the probability that TMLWKY writing rights issue - which was a problem in the 89' - has resurfaced and is the reason of delaying this release ? Not a problem now. Freddie didn't want to be getting a smaller percentage of songwriting royalties. Basically, the band agreed that all the tracks on The Miracle would be an equal split of 25% each. But, as Brian wrote Too Much Love Will KIll You with two other people, the band would've been sharing Brian's 33.33%. So, instead of earning 25% each, the band would've only got 8.33% of the royalties each. So, Brian releasing TMLWKY as a solo song first solved the songwriting problems. It was just the case of the rest of the band agreeing to release the song (which didn't have their names listed for royalties) for inclusion on Made In Heaven. But it sounds like the band were thinking of releasing it in 1992 on the Live At Wembley '86 album. Is this your own conjecture about Freddie, or have you read that previously as fact? |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 14, 2022 14:43:55 GMT
Another thing that might be considered, at least for the next couple of days, is that it would be in bad taste to announce a new Queen product during the UK's mourning period after the Queen's death Bad taste? An odd thought…? |
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Post by hstwakom on Sept 14, 2022 15:23:32 GMT
This is how I've interpreted the Record Collector magazine: Disc 1 - Vinyl: 2011 remaster with Too Much Love Will KIll You (track 5) Disc 2 - CD 1: 2011 remaster (just the standard album) Disc 3 - CD 2: "The Miracle Sessions" (tracks from the album, maybe some of the non-album tracks and unreleased stuff like Face It Alone and I Guess We're Falling Out) Disc 4 - CD 3: "Alternative Miracle" (single and extended versions, and the non-album tracks) Disc 5 - CD 4: "Miracl-umentals" (instrumental and backing track mixes of the standard album) Disc 6 - CD 5: "The Miracle Radio Interviews" Disc 7 - DVD or Blu-Ray: "The Miracle Videos" Disc 8 - not sure?? I think by judging the wording of the article, there is one boxset which has the DVD and the other has the Blu-ray but it seems a weird thing. If this is then I'm one disc short. But if there is just the one box set with both the DVD and Blu-ray on it, then what I've listed above could be right. Pretty sure that by "Alternative Miracle" they mean the CD with alternative mixes (different solos, vocal tracks etc) like in NOTW box. |
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Post by Golden Salmon on Sept 14, 2022 16:39:05 GMT
Another thing that might be considered, at least for the next couple of days, is that it would be in bad taste to announce a new Queen product during the UK's mourning period after the Queen's death Yup, they're just waiting these days. Here's hoping they don't push it much further than November. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 14, 2022 17:26:33 GMT
I wonder if the fact that we're heading into a severe financial crisis might be a factor? They might not think it appropriate to issue a lavish and costly box set at a time when people will be struggling to pay bills this winter. Cynically, one might also consider that they may think sales could be affected by the same issues, and that could be another reason for holding it back. With Roger just having announced his live album, I'd be very surprised if another major Queen product was released this side of Christmas. I personally wouldn't call Roger's live album a major Queen product because it's only available on one online shop. Anyway, Queen have released two new products within three months before in 2014. If anything, the thing which will delay the release is how expensive it might be. I completely agree with your financial points. They need to realise that if they sold cheaper or did a more condensed version, they would sell more copies and probably make more money. Financially at the moment, there is no way I will buy it if it's more than a £100. I didn't mean to call Roger's live album a major Queen product - I just meant... oh, never mind. Given it's available in MP3 pre-orders on Amazon, how certain are we that it won't appear on CD in the major retailers? |
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Post by NathanH on Sept 14, 2022 19:05:01 GMT
Not a problem now. Freddie didn't want to be getting a smaller percentage of songwriting royalties. Basically, the band agreed that all the tracks on The Miracle would be an equal split of 25% each. But, as Brian wrote Too Much Love Will KIll You with two other people, the band would've been sharing Brian's 33.33%. So, instead of earning 25% each, the band would've only got 8.33% of the royalties each. So, Brian releasing TMLWKY as a solo song first solved the songwriting problems. It was just the case of the rest of the band agreeing to release the song (which didn't have their names listed for royalties) for inclusion on Made In Heaven. But it sounds like the band were thinking of releasing it in 1992 on the Live At Wembley '86 album. Is this your own conjecture about Freddie, or have you read that previously as fact? I haven't read this, I heard it directly from Brian! He said it in one his interviews he did for the reissue of Back To The Light: So, no I'm not a misanthropist in this case. 😁 |
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Post by NathanH on Sept 14, 2022 19:09:02 GMT
I personally wouldn't call Roger's live album a major Queen product because it's only available on one online shop. Anyway, Queen have released two new products within three months before in 2014. If anything, the thing which will delay the release is how expensive it might be. I completely agree with your financial points. They need to realise that if they sold cheaper or did a more condensed version, they would sell more copies and probably make more money. Financially at the moment, there is no way I will buy it if it's more than a £100. I didn't mean to call Roger's live album a major Queen product - I just meant... oh, never mind. Given it's available in MP3 pre-orders on Amazon, how certain are we that it won't appear on CD in the major retailers? It depends, I generally can't see it affecting sales too much if you could buy it in a shop or in other places. This album is so niche and that it'll only appeal to Queen fans or even dare I say a select few Queen fans. |
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Post by NathanH on Sept 14, 2022 19:20:13 GMT
This is how I've interpreted the Record Collector magazine: Disc 1 - Vinyl: 2011 remaster with Too Much Love Will KIll You (track 5) Disc 2 - CD 1: 2011 remaster (just the standard album) Disc 3 - CD 2: "The Miracle Sessions" (tracks from the album, maybe some of the non-album tracks and unreleased stuff like Face It Alone and I Guess We're Falling Out) Disc 4 - CD 3: "Alternative Miracle" (single and extended versions, and the non-album tracks) Disc 5 - CD 4: "Miracl-umentals" (instrumental and backing track mixes of the standard album) Disc 6 - CD 5: "The Miracle Radio Interviews" Disc 7 - DVD or Blu-Ray: "The Miracle Videos" Disc 8 - not sure?? I think by judging the wording of the article, there is one boxset which has the DVD and the other has the Blu-ray but it seems a weird thing. If this is then I'm one disc short. But if there is just the one box set with both the DVD and Blu-ray on it, then what I've listed above could be right. Pretty sure that by "Alternative Miracle" they mean the CD with alternative mixes (different solos, vocal tracks etc) like in NOTW box. I reckon this will be The Miracle Sessions disc because there is no other obvious in the wording where the stuff I've listed for Alternative Miracle will fit anywhere else. I doubt there would include songs like Hang On In There on CD 1, plus The Miracle Sessions sounds too raw and sounds like where the stuff you mentioned will be included. There's too many alternative mixes (extended and single versions) to just add as extra tracks on a disc, I can see these being a disc in itself. |
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Post by antonio on Sept 14, 2022 19:20:48 GMT
If Roger´s live album "affects" to a hypothetical delay of The Miracle Box Set is because they DO want it affects...
It´s a very small release in Queen terms...
Let´s be serious, ALL Queen solo stuff is for minorities...How many Brian May or Roger Taylor solo career fans are there which aren´t Queen fans? One? Two worldwide??
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 14, 2022 19:41:57 GMT
Is this your own conjecture about Freddie, or have you read that previously as fact? I haven't read this, I heard it directly from Brian! He said it in one his interviews he did for the reissue of Back To The Light: So, no I'm not a misanthropist in this case. 😁 Amazing!! Thanks for this..... the level of conjecture masquerading as FACT on t'web is so depressing haha!!! |
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Post by Brian's Wig on Sept 14, 2022 20:54:15 GMT
What is the probability that TMLWKY writing rights issue - which was a problem in the 89' - has resurfaced and is the reason of delaying this release ? It's the same mix that appeared on MIH. So why would there be any rights issues? If anything, MUskers and Lamars should be welcoming more royalties! |
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Post by antonio on Sept 15, 2022 6:09:37 GMT
The royalties in 2022 will be less than in 1995 for sure...Made In Heaven was one of the biggest selling albums of 1995...This box will sell a few copies only.
And was also released on GH3 so this song won´t be the reason of delaying I think...Just QPL don´t want to do it...Yet...
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 15, 2022 8:27:20 GMT
It is on the record company when, how, what and which formats etc this boxset or whatever it will be this release.
Queen productions only suggests some products - ideas, record company gives them feed back.
GH and any other compilation is record company decision.
Also touring, any kind merch etc are under record deal. This is for every artist - band.
Music industry calitalism... So simple.
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Sept 15, 2022 9:28:44 GMT
Okay so if the info was shared in the Fanclub magazine then surely the Record company had given this project green light, right ?
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Post by Dimitris on Sept 15, 2022 10:56:10 GMT
Okay so if the info was shared in the Fanclub magazine then surely the Record company had given this project green light, right ? I believe yes, probably they want (record company) to release it during big sales period, mid Nov or later. I don't think that chart position matters, since the most period the sales are low. If it was the case, it would have been released by now. That's my guess. |
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Post by dave76 on Sept 15, 2022 15:05:44 GMT
Wasn't there many many years/decades ago talk of a special version of "The Miracle" with bonus tracks and others things? I forgot the title. Something with Another Miracle?
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Post by ncc1701q on Sept 15, 2022 15:19:43 GMT
From the Christmas 1989 Fanclub Magazine:  |
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