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Post by scotttmax on Apr 26, 2023 21:03:58 GMT
I think as far as the lyrics and outfits are concerned, surely QPL would find a use for them?
Is the relationship between Mary and the band so bad that they’ve not been given the chance to cherry pick whatever they wanted?
I’m not sure Brian would find a use for a Tiffany moustache brush tho…Roger on the other hand….!!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 26, 2023 21:16:38 GMT
I think as far as the lyrics and outfits are concerned, surely QPL would find a use for them? Is the relationship between Mary and the band so bad that they’ve not been given the chance to cherry pick whatever they wanted? we don;t know that she didn't. we also don;t know that QPL (being their usual cheapskate, fast-buck, money-grubbing selves) didn't try it on with some typically insulting/derisory "offer". in truth there's so much we'll never know. one thing we do know: Freddie left it all to her, not QPL, not Jim, not anyone else. ultimately, he loved her and trusted her judgement, and she's been true to Freddie's memory, and I don;t doubt that whatever she does/is doing is done for the right reasons. her judgement has been proven 100x more sound than anyone else's in these matters (down the years). |
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Post by scotttmax on Apr 26, 2023 21:23:44 GMT
I think as far as the lyrics and outfits are concerned, surely QPL would find a use for them? Is the relationship between Mary and the band so bad that they’ve not been given the chance to cherry pick whatever they wanted? we don;t know that she didn't. we also don;t know that QPL (being their usual cheapskate, fast-buck, money-grubbing selves) didn't try it on with some typically insulting/derisory "offer". in truth there's so much we'll never know. one thing we do know: Freddie left it all to her, not QPL, not Jim, not anyone else. ultimately, he loved her and trusted her judgement, and she's been true to Freddie's memory, and I don;t doubt that whatever she does/is doing is done for the right reasons. her judgement has been proven 100x more sound than anyone else's in these matters (down the years). Oh I totally agree… What I kinda meant is, why didn’t she just give QPL the likes of the lyrics and costumes? In the grand scheme of things, she obviously doesn’t need the money, and whatever the auction makes, it’s hardly going to swell her coffers (although the charities will do well) I find it strange that pretty much EVERYTHING in the house is up for sale, but again, like you and others have said, it’s hers, and she’s free to do whatever with it |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 26, 2023 21:29:24 GMT
Oh I totally agree… What I kinda meant is, why didn’t she just give QPL the likes of the lyrics and costumes? In the grand scheme of things, she obviously doesn’t need the money, and whatever the auction makes, it’s hardly going to swell her coffers (although the charities will do well) I find it strange that pretty much EVERYTHING in the house is up for sale, but again, like you and others have said, it’s hers, and she’s free to do whatever with it yep, and i wonder if - as one wise soul suggested - there may be a pre-emptive strike being taken here at dealing with her children's inheritance taxes? |
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Post by akirafish on Apr 26, 2023 23:11:45 GMT
I know; and that's what worries me. QPL really need to pull their fingers out concerning this collection - they have the money to do so and should do everything in their power to save what they can. It breaks my heart that items like his crown and cape, lyrics to Killer Queen, etc. could simply end up in the hands of some rich collector who may only care about the growing value of such items. Serious question - what would QPL do with it? Apart from selling cheap copies of various bits and pieces? Surely it's better for stuff to be in the hands of a collector who would at least look after it, than gathering dust at the back of a warehouse somewhere? I heard Simon Lupton talking in one episode of Queenpod that QPL initially bought back some Freddie's stuff, but till a certain point they thought that’s enough, so something as iconic as the Wembley yellow jacket ended up in collector’s hand for twenty-some thousand quids in the 90s. |
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Post by Makka on Apr 27, 2023 3:21:25 GMT
I'd say Mary has looked after Freddie's possessions well and has done as was asked, probably even more so. She is getting on and no one lives forever. Perhaps she is ill or perhaps just doesn't want the burden anymore? I don't understand why she has had hate over the years. I wish her well.
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Post by savantas on Apr 27, 2023 9:07:04 GMT
I know; and that's what worries me. QPL really need to pull their fingers out concerning this collection - they have the money to do so and should do everything in their power to save what they can. It breaks my heart that items like his crown and cape, lyrics to Killer Queen, etc. could simply end up in the hands of some rich collector who may only care about the growing value of such items. Serious question - what would QPL do with it? Apart from selling cheap copies of various bits and pieces? Surely it's better for stuff to be in the hands of a collector who would at least look after it, than gathering dust at the back of a warehouse somewhere? I totally agree. What I'm afraid of, is that the really rare Freddie memorabilia will not be bought by a dedicated collector, but by an investor (or group of investors), only to be stowed away for years until they can sell it again for even higher prices. That would really be horrible, imho. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 27, 2023 11:18:47 GMT
What I'm afraid of, is that the really rare Freddie memorabilia will not be bought by a dedicated collector, but by an investor (or group of investors), only to be stowed away for years until they can sell it again for even higher prices. That would really be horrible, imho. i can't see "the fan" being any worse off. these items have been in Garden Lodge for 30+yrs, being stored away to be sold later changes nothing really...unless of course, you're seeing this as a potential opportunity to view these in a museum? This needs to be viewed from Mary's perspective. A loyal friend who has protected Freddie's legacy for 30 years, she is now getting old and may be looking at removing the responsibility from her own children after she has gone. A perfectly reasonable approach. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 27, 2023 11:37:05 GMT
If somebody was to buy the lot and create an exhibition / museum (not sure which is the correct word), that might be a way for fans to view the collection. It might be quite a good business opportunity for someone willing to make the investment, and would make Freddie's legacy accessible for years to come.
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Post by dragonkiller on Apr 27, 2023 11:43:33 GMT
Serious question - what would QPL do with it? Apart from selling cheap copies of various bits and pieces? Surely it's better for stuff to be in the hands of a collector who would at least look after it, than gathering dust at the back of a warehouse somewhere? I totally agree. What I'm afraid of, is that the really rare Freddie memorabilia will not be bought by a dedicated collector, but by an investor (or group of investors), only to be stowed away for years until they can sell it again for even higher prices. That would really be horrible, imho. Most art collectors do this anyway, so Freddie`s art collection may never be seen again. The music side of things lyrics etc. will be split up and I doubt a museum would be willing to put down a very large chunk of funds for it. So most of it will fall into the hands of rich private collectors. |
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Post by dragonkiller on Apr 27, 2023 11:47:55 GMT
If somebody was to buy the lot and create an exhibition / museum (not sure which is the correct word), that might be a way for fans to view the collection. It might be quite a good business opportunity for someone willing to make the investment, and would make Freddie's legacy accessible for years to come. Most of us will have to win the lottery LF to do this. As I mentioned earlier I would open a exhibition or a museum......Can`t see that happening any time soon....Euro tomorrow? |
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Post by jw224 on Apr 27, 2023 13:43:02 GMT
I can't really criticise her for what she's doing. I do always feel kinda sad when historic stuff like this gets sold, though.
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Post by musicalprostitute on Apr 27, 2023 14:32:56 GMT
I know; and that's what worries me. QPL really need to pull their fingers out concerning this collection - they have the money to do so and should do everything in their power to save what they can. It breaks my heart that items like his crown and cape, lyrics to Killer Queen, etc. could simply end up in the hands of some rich collector who may only care about the growing value of such items. Serious question - what would QPL do with it? Apart from selling cheap copies of various bits and pieces? Surely it's better for stuff to be in the hands of a collector who would at least look after it, than gathering dust at the back of a warehouse somewhere? They could at least put the things on show every now and then. They have an audio and visual archive, so why not one that caters for the physical stuff? The items could take up residence at the studio in Montreux. I would feel much better knowing these things were taken care of officially, so to speak. If a true Queen fan collector had some of the items then I would not feel as bad about it; but we know some collectors (with a big enough wallet) buy these things as a little investment and don't really care for them. To be honest, I have found myself - uncharacteristically - quite moved by this news. I don't really know why. |
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Post by marknow on Apr 27, 2023 14:51:04 GMT
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Post by katydyd5 on Apr 27, 2023 15:19:21 GMT
To be honest, I have found myself - uncharacteristically - quite moved by this news. I don't really know why. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 27, 2023 15:33:52 GMT
I'd say Mary has looked after Freddie's possessions well and has done as was asked, probably even more so. She is getting on and no one lives forever. Perhaps she is ill or perhaps just doesn't want the burden anymore? I don't understand why she has had hate over the years. I wish her well. Probably because Jim Hutton's book wasn't kind to her. But to me it just came off at bitterness because she got the house and he didn't. And considering she didn't have to write the tell-all book about a very private man, it's pretty clear to me who has the integrity. |
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Post by musicalprostitute on Apr 27, 2023 15:35:46 GMT
To be honest, I have found myself - uncharacteristically - quite moved by this news. I don't really know why. Yes, maybe that's the reason. I just cannot picture Garden Lodge without the items Freddie filled it with over the years - it, quite simply, will not be Garden Lodge anymore. I am really not one for getting emotional over material things; but, you are right, it feels as if an era is ending. A door is closing - for good. And I think reading through some of the items has reminded me just how unique, special, how beautiful he was - and how missed he still he is. |
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Post by musicalprostitute on Apr 27, 2023 15:40:55 GMT
I'd say Mary has looked after Freddie's possessions well and has done as was asked, probably even more so. She is getting on and no one lives forever. Perhaps she is ill or perhaps just doesn't want the burden anymore? I don't understand why she has had hate over the years. I wish her well. Probably because Jim Hutton's book wasn't kind to her. But to me it just came off at bitterness because she got the house and he didn't. And considering she didn't have to write the tell-all book about a very private man, it's pretty clear to me who has the integrity. One hundred per cent this. Freddie left the bulk of his estate to Mary for a reason. He was not a stupid or naïve man. Jim got roughly what other staff at the house got from what I remember (or maybe a bit more). Within three years of Freddie's passing Jim had already sold his story and was in talks with ITV to get a sensationalist series made (which hopefully never materialised); Mary has kept a dignified silence over the decades and still clearly loves the man to this day. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Apr 27, 2023 15:48:14 GMT
Probably because Jim Hutton's book wasn't kind to her. But to me it just came off at bitterness because she got the house and he didn't. And considering she didn't have to write the tell-all book about a very private man, it's pretty clear to me who has the integrity. One hundred per cent this. Freddie left the bulk of his estate to Mary for a reason. He was not a stupid or naïve man. Jim got roughly what other staff at the house got from what I remember (or maybe a bit more). Within three years of Freddie's passing Jim had already sold his story and was in talks with ITV to get a sensationalist series made (which hopefully never materialised); Mary has kept a dignified silence over the decades and still clearly loves the man to this day. In life Freddie said she was the only person he could trust. In death he was proven right. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 27, 2023 16:09:55 GMT
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Post by mattzarella on Apr 27, 2023 17:06:31 GMT
The only thing Ive seen that I consider in bad taste here is that special vest/ Waistcoat as you call em - that was gifted by that McKenzie guy/ partner of his cook.
I feel she ought to have given that to Kashmira if she's still around.
It's not simply a "collectible" work of art. It is defining and personal
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 27, 2023 18:38:45 GMT
The only thing Ive seen that I consider in bad taste here is that special vest/ Waistcoat as you call em - that was gifted by that McKenzie guy/ partner of his cook. I feel she ought to have given that to Kashmira if she's still around. It's not simply a "collectible" work of art. It is defining and personal We obviously don't know all the details, but I'd like to think Kashmira would have been consulted about the items for sale. |
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Post by kosimodo on Apr 27, 2023 20:25:25 GMT
In life Freddie said she was the only person he could trust. In death he was proven right. In Jims defence, Freddie made it a lot more easier for Mary. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 27, 2023 21:03:21 GMT
In life Freddie said she was the only person he could trust. In death he was proven right. In Jims defence, Freddie made it a lot more easier for Mary. in Mary's defence, Jim made it easier for her. |
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 28, 2023 6:21:21 GMT
I think Jim had his reasons and I understand that . Everything Jim said could have happened so could be true or it might not be , we will never know . We do know there appears to be no love lost between Kash and Mary .
I can’t see Jim actually wanting the responsibility of GL , it was more likely as Peter said ‘ Freddie said he wanted the three men to stay but it wasn’t practical but it was a nice gesture . Regardless of how you feel about him , he lost his partner .
I would love for his tour items to be on show .
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Post by pg on Apr 28, 2023 7:01:26 GMT
We do know there appears to be no love lost between Kash and Mary We do? From what source do we "know" this? |
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 28, 2023 9:48:11 GMT
We do know there appears to be no love lost between Kash and Mary We do? From what source do we "know" this? She was on a TV show with Peter freestone years ago ( can’t remember what country the show was ) and she was asked about Mary . Her reaction said it all. She confirmed at that time she has no contact with her . I’d have to search around YouTube to find it again. |
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Post by Doughnut on Apr 28, 2023 10:10:05 GMT
The only thing Ive seen that I consider in bad taste here is that special vest/ Waistcoat as you call em - that was gifted by that McKenzie guy/ partner of his cook. I feel she ought to have given that to Kashmira if she's still around. It's not simply a "collectible" work of art. It is defining and personal We obviously don't know all the details, but I'd like to think Kashmira would have been consulted about the items for sale. Think is Mary doesn’t have to consult with Kash and I doubt she will . That’s my gut feeling . The group that are creating a memorial for Freddie in Feltham have attempted to approach Mary should she wish to have any involvement but they were ignored . Of course this is Mary’s right . Kash does get involved and by all accounts is a lovely lady . |
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Post by pelikan on Apr 28, 2023 21:14:04 GMT
Everything comes to and end, sooner or later. Even Garden Lodge one day will be sold and it will change completely.
The items are just items, they do not add value to the music Freddie wrote.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 28, 2023 21:16:37 GMT
The group that are creating a memorial for Freddie in Feltham have attempted to approach Mary should she wish to have any involvement but they were ignored . or declined? there's a world of difference there. please clarify. |
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