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Post by georg on Aug 24, 2024 14:50:31 GMT
Oh boy, I bet this means another reissue of Greatest Hits! |
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Post by katby on Aug 24, 2024 15:50:07 GMT
According to Google, in the UK, copyright in a song expires 70 years after the end of the calendar year in which the last surviving writer or composer has passed away. That would mean that in 2062, all of Freddie's songs will enter the public domain and the Queen catalogue will become a lot less valuable.
I wonder if that was part of the motivation for selling the catalogue now, while the price is still high?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 24, 2024 16:44:38 GMT
According to Google, in the UK, copyright in a song expires 70 years after the end of the calendar year in which the last surviving writer or composer has passed away. That would mean that in 2062, all of Freddie's songs will enter the public domain and the Queen catalogue will become a lot less valuable. I wonder if that was part of the motivation for selling the catalogue now, while the price is still high? Does it work like that though? I thought everything was split four ways, so even though, say, Bohemian Rhapsody was Freddie's composition, they all had a part in it (for example, Brian might have written the guitar solo), so I'd have thought they'd all have to go before the 70 years started ticking away. |
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Post by disco_mart on Aug 24, 2024 17:07:18 GMT
According to Google, in the UK, copyright in a song expires 70 years after the end of the calendar year in which the last surviving writer or composer has passed away. That would mean that in 2062, all of Freddie's songs will enter the public domain and the Queen catalogue will become a lot less valuable. I wonder if that was part of the motivation for selling the catalogue now, while the price is still high? Does it work like that though? I thought everything was split four ways, so even though, say, Bohemian Rhapsody was Freddie's composition, they all had a part in it (for example, Brian might have written the guitar solo), so I'd have thought they'd all have to go before the 70 years started ticking away. Solo stuff in 2062 maybe, but I think band stuff won't kick in until all 4 are long gone. |
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Post by ted on Aug 24, 2024 17:10:47 GMT
Lord Fickle wrote: Does it work like that though? I thought everything was split four ways, so even though, say, Bohemian Rhapsody was Freddie's composition, they all had a part in it (for example, Brian might have written the guitar solo), so I'd have thought they'd all have to go before the 70 years started ticking away.
In the case of BR, I've heard Brian state that Freddie did write practically everything in the song, including the guitar solo. Regarding copyright expiry, it might vary from one Jurisdiction (country) to another; I've read about the 70 year timeframe but I can't recall if it's the last surviving writer/composer passing that causes a song(s) to enter the public domain or if, in Queen's case for example, all four Members would have to be deceased before the Group's songs rights expire, as LF stated above. Perhaps another Member of this Forum has more knowledge and can clarify/confirm how it works?
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Post by katby on Aug 24, 2024 17:15:06 GMT
According to Google, in the UK, copyright in a song expires 70 years after the end of the calendar year in which the last surviving writer or composer has passed away. That would mean that in 2062, all of Freddie's songs will enter the public domain and the Queen catalogue will become a lot less valuable. I wonder if that was part of the motivation for selling the catalogue now, while the price is still high? Does it work like that though? I thought everything was split four ways, so even though, say, Bohemian Rhapsody was Freddie's composition, they all had a part in it (for example, Brian might have written the guitar solo), so I'd have thought they'd all have to go before the 70 years started ticking away. Unless I'm mistaken, Bohemian Rhapsody is still solely credited to Freddie. Even if they agreed to split the money from the song four ways after the fact, the song still belongs to Freddie (and his estate) legally. When the copyright expires, someone could record their own version of the song and Queen wouldn't be entitled to a penny. The sound recording itself is separately copyrighted, but will also be in the public domain 70 years after it was first published, in the UK. So, that would be 2045. Regardless, it would lower the potential selling price in a negotiation.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 24, 2024 17:29:52 GMT
Perhaps Bohemian Rhapsody was a poor example, but most of the songs, they would all have had a part in, and all songs, including and post The Miracle were credited to Queen, weren't they?
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Post by katby on Aug 24, 2024 17:42:38 GMT
Perhaps Bohemian Rhapsody was a poor example, but most of the songs, they would all have had a part in, and all songs, including and post The Miracle were credited to Queen, weren't they? Yes, I think that's correct. |
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Post by Dimitris on Aug 24, 2024 18:19:43 GMT
There is always some hidden doors and paths where a remaster release with a minor change even milliseconds could be count as "new" extensions of the copyright expiry dates. So 2011, 2015 extended to new period.
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Post by katby on Aug 24, 2024 18:23:53 GMT
There is always some hidden doors and paths where a remaster release with a minor change even milliseconds could be count as "new" extensions of the copyright expiry dates. So 2011, 2015 extended to new period. Absolutely! That's why my original post didn't focus on the sound recording expiry date. It will be Freddie's songwriting copyright that presents the first real public domain threat, in my opinion. |
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Post by ted on Aug 25, 2024 0:13:12 GMT
Perhaps Bohemian Rhapsody was a poor example, but most of the songs, they would all have had a part in, and all songs, including and post The Miracle were credited to Queen, weren't they? Yes, I think that's correct. I've read that the 'rule' Queen employed re. songwriting credits in the 70's and beyond (apart from multi-credited songs, i.e. SCC) was that whomever 'brings the song to the table' gets sole credit for it but yes, as LF states above, most of their songs were collaborations between them.
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Post by scallyuk on Aug 25, 2024 7:50:34 GMT
Perhaps Bohemian Rhapsody was a poor example, but most of the songs, they would all have had a part in, and all songs, including and post The Miracle were credited to Queen, weren't they? Yes and for those songs we need to wait until the last member dies however all previous songs (except for Doin alright and SCC) only need to wait until xxx years after the "credited composer" dies. Doesn't matter who else contributed to the recording , if they weren't credited they dont matter. |
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Post by dragonkiller on Aug 25, 2024 11:10:40 GMT
According to Google, in the UK, copyright in a song expires 70 years after the end of the calendar year in which the last surviving writer or composer has passed away. That would mean that in 2062, all of Freddie's songs will enter the public domain and the Queen catalogue will become a lot less valuable. I wonder if that was part of the motivation for selling the catalogue now, while the price is still high? 2062 ...mmm, I can't see this centenarian dashing to the record store to buy the latest copy of Mr Bad Guy👨🦳 |
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Post by queenfan23 on Aug 28, 2024 23:54:56 GMT
Has the sail of the catalog actually gone through ?
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Post by billy on Aug 30, 2024 12:38:05 GMT
Has the sail of the catalog actually gone through ?
It did back in June or July I believe. Lots of news stories about the sale, but I don’t think Queen or Sony ever officially confirmed anything. Brian did reference the news, and they all resigned from QPL, whose new director shares Sony’s London address I believe. (Don’t you just love all my equivocating? lol) |
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Post by airpodsmax on Oct 3, 2024 12:12:00 GMT
So, When should we expect reissues under the Sony label?
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