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Post by primejiveusa on Jan 30, 2024 23:43:27 GMT
Looks like the luster from the film has really worn off!
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Post by scotttmax on Jan 31, 2024 1:18:03 GMT
Looks like the luster from the film has really worn off! Not strictly true… A quick check on the official ticket sites shows a LOT of sold out areas
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Post by vh on Jan 31, 2024 2:07:29 GMT
Looks like the luster from the film has really worn off! Like you’re US tour posts, this doesn’t seem to be totally accurate.
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Post by nickip on Jan 31, 2024 7:17:36 GMT
Also, and again, why does it bother you so much?
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Post by primejiveusa on Jan 31, 2024 22:15:33 GMT
Also, and again, why does it bother you so much? I want them to have a successful, sold-out tour. If they are top-tier I don't know why they can't sell out their shows in the U.S. or Japan.
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Post by inuliger on Feb 1, 2024 23:20:07 GMT
Also, and again, why does it bother you so much? I want them to have a successful, sold-out tour. If they are top-tier I don't know why they can't sell out their shows in the U.S. or Japan. Toronto was most definitely a sold out show, for months before they even played there!
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Post by vh on Feb 2, 2024 0:08:58 GMT
Also, and again, why does it bother you so much? I want them to have a successful, sold-out tour. If they are top-tier I don't know why they can't sell out their shows in the U.S. or Japan. Not every tour with Freddie sold out. Apart from UK shows I don’t think any tour with Paul Rodgers sold out. They certainly sell enough tickets for promoters around the world to book them into large arena’s or even bigger venues. Remember it’s the promoter who risks their money when putting a tour together, if a band weren’t doing the business necessary to fill those venues they wouldn’t be rebooked at that level.
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Post by Dimitris on Feb 2, 2024 7:57:06 GMT
Relax, almost every artist - band who tour nowdays is sold out. The companies that run tour industry have the tools to know if a tour is worth be doing, then they have the tools to promote and make it successful.
THE RHAPSODY, @queenwillrock + @adamlambert BMO Stadium, Los Angeles: 42,680 (100%) - $7,044,962 (2 shows) American Airlines Center, Dallas: 27,079 (100%) - $4,675,577 (2 shows) TD Garden, Boston: 26,383 (100%) - $4,386,599 (2 shows) Madison Square Garden, New York: 28,041 (100%) - $3,958,804 (2 shows) Chase Center, San Francisco: 26,582 (100%) - $3,649,404 (2 shows) Little Caesars Arena, Detroit: 15,637 (100%) - $2,482,205 Scotiabank Arena, Toronto: 14,841 (100%) - $2,159,827 Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia: 13,909 (100%) - $2,075,955 Bridgestone Arena, Nashville: 14,697 (100%) - $1,940,421 State Farm Arena, Atlanta: 12,750 (100%) - $1,785,201
Japan will be ok.
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Post by eiricd on Feb 2, 2024 17:56:33 GMT
any soft sellers will be papered, is that the term? extremely cheap tickets close to show day which usually equals lots more people in the building
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Post by inuliger on Feb 2, 2024 20:41:46 GMT
any soft sellers will be papered, is that the term? extremely cheap tickets close to show day which usually equals lots more people in the building Please, stop.
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Post by eiricd on Feb 2, 2024 21:41:32 GMT
any soft sellers will be papered, is that the term? extremely cheap tickets close to show day which usually equals lots more people in the building Please, stop. this is a well known fact, so I don't know why it can't be mentioned in this thread.
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Post by inuliger on Feb 2, 2024 21:41:55 GMT
You’re just trolling at this point. Stop.
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Post by eiricd on Feb 2, 2024 21:54:35 GMT
You’re just trolling at this point. Stop. seriously? unless you are the promoter of the gig mentioned early in this thread, how on earth can you call my contribution trolling? I made ONE post which added crucial facts to the situation regarding a concert that's not sold out. Doesn't matter who's name is on the ticket. If a show is not selling well, promoters usually find a way to get more people in the building seatfillers.co.uk/ - have you seen this? theatre, opera, concerts.... www.howtoconcerts.com/how-to-paper-the-house/On the last Springsteen tour in the US, there are LOADS of stories of people buying tickets for next to nothing on the day of the show. Happened at every single show that wasn't an instant sell out. People got good floor seats for less than 10 dollars on some of the shows. And guess what? The building filled up nicely, and at least the promoter had more people inside the venue who could leave money in the bar... These are facts. If FACTS go against a happily-ever-after Qal story of a sold out show in Japan...well, the facts are still the facts.
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Post by vh on Feb 3, 2024 0:55:12 GMT
You’re just trolling at this point. Stop. seriously? unless you are the promoter of the gig mentioned early in this thread, how on earth can you call my contribution trolling? I made ONE post which added crucial facts to the situation regarding a concert that's not sold out. Doesn't matter who's name is on the ticket. If a show is not selling well, promoters usually find a way to get more people in the building seatfillers.co.uk/ - have you seen this? theatre, opera, concerts.... www.howtoconcerts.com/how-to-paper-the-house/On the last Springsteen tour in the US, there are LOADS of stories of people buying tickets for next to nothing on the day of the show. Happened at every single show that wasn't an instant sell out. People got good floor seats for less than 10 dollars on some of the shows. And guess what? The building filled up nicely, and at least the promoter had more people inside the venue who could leave money in the bar... These are facts. If FACTS go against a happily-ever-after Qal story of a sold out show in Japan...well, the facts are still the facts. Standard practice, if you have tickets left close to show call then discount them and get some money back. The other side of that practice, because the arse has fallen out of the recording industry, often an artists main income is live work, that combined with production costs have sent ticket prices through the roof. So if you can’t afford tickets but want to see an artist sometimes it’s worth the risk of not rushing to buy ticket but holding out until show day. You might get in for a lot less than ticket face value. But if your so fixated on a tour not being sold out I guess a full Maddison Square Garden with 97 percent ticket sold in advance and 3 percent sold at a discount on show day like Kiss did (and many others) isn’t a sold out show in your mind. Go back and look at the seats that remained unsold on any Queen tour in the 70’s and 80’s in the US and Europe. I really think you might be the person who ignores facts for a “happy ever after” when it comes to Queen ticket sales.
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Post by eiricd on Feb 3, 2024 9:18:36 GMT
seriously? unless you are the promoter of the gig mentioned early in this thread, how on earth can you call my contribution trolling? I made ONE post which added crucial facts to the situation regarding a concert that's not sold out. Doesn't matter who's name is on the ticket. If a show is not selling well, promoters usually find a way to get more people in the building seatfillers.co.uk/ - have you seen this? theatre, opera, concerts.... www.howtoconcerts.com/how-to-paper-the-house/On the last Springsteen tour in the US, there are LOADS of stories of people buying tickets for next to nothing on the day of the show. Happened at every single show that wasn't an instant sell out. People got good floor seats for less than 10 dollars on some of the shows. And guess what? The building filled up nicely, and at least the promoter had more people inside the venue who could leave money in the bar... These are facts. If FACTS go against a happily-ever-after Qal story of a sold out show in Japan...well, the facts are still the facts. Standard practice, if you have tickets left close to show call then discount them and get some money back. The other side of that practice, because the arse has fallen out of the recording industry, often an artists main income is live work, that combined with production costs have sent ticket prices through the roof. So if you can’t afford tickets but want to see an artist sometimes it’s worth the risk of not rushing to buy ticket but holding out until show day. You might get in for a lot less than ticket face value. But if your so fixated on a tour not being sold out I guess a full Maddison Square Garden with 97 percent ticket sold in advance and 3 percent sold at a discount on show day like Kiss did (and many others) isn’t a sold out show in your mind. Go back and look at the seats that remained unsold on any Queen tour in the 70’s and 80’s in the US and Europe. I really think you might be the person who ignores facts for a “happy ever after” when it comes to Queen ticket sales. would you stop it with the trolling that is your first two paragraphs? "Sold out" / soft sellers are two different things. Sold out = no available seats / tickets. As you rightly pointed out, the industry being what it is these days, the classic "sold out" is not that common anymore, where every availble ticket is sold long before the show takes place. Is Taylor Swift the only one these days? U2 at the Sphere? And while I'm sure many of Queen's gigs back in the day were classic sold out, I'm sure there were just as many where you could grab tickets at the last minute. Dunno about the fluctuating pricing though, if that ever happened back then. I'm sure someone can weigh in on that. Now, you mention KISS, and they are a good example of how a gig that sell well (their final two Garden shows), is given that final "papering" push, to fill every seat in the buliding. Still "sold out" in the end, even though some of those tickets were sold at a bargain price, or bought by a sponsor who subsequently gave it away for free to whoever. On the same tour, though - they had many shows that I would classify as soft sellers. Attendance was not good, even when people could get very cheap tickets close to show day. Go to the KISSFAQ websiste; Plenty of reports talk about empty sections in the arena, even with the "artifical" push that is dirt cheap / free tickets. I also mentioned Springsteen above; some of his US shows backfired when he went down the "dynamic pricing" route. In the end, most gigs had people in every seat, but I read one report of a guy who got tickets right behind the pit for 6 dollars Now, the last time you could see Springsteen for 6 dollars prior to that must have been in early 1975
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Post by vh on Feb 3, 2024 15:12:21 GMT
Standard practice, if you have tickets left close to show call then discount them and get some money back. The other side of that practice, because the arse has fallen out of the recording industry, often an artists main income is live work, that combined with production costs have sent ticket prices through the roof. So if you can’t afford tickets but want to see an artist sometimes it’s worth the risk of not rushing to buy ticket but holding out until show day. You might get in for a lot less than ticket face value. But if your so fixated on a tour not being sold out I guess a full Maddison Square Garden with 97 percent ticket sold in advance and 3 percent sold at a discount on show day like Kiss did (and many others) isn’t a sold out show in your mind. Go back and look at the seats that remained unsold on any Queen tour in the 70’s and 80’s in the US and Europe. I really think you might be the person who ignores facts for a “happy ever after” when it comes to Queen ticket sales. would you stop it with the trolling that is your first two paragraphs? "Sold out" / soft sellers are two different things. Sold out = no available seats / tickets. As you rightly pointed out, the industry being what it is these days, the classic "sold out" is not that common anymore, where every availble ticket is sold long before the show takes place. Is Taylor Swift the only one these days? U2 at the Sphere? And while I'm sure many of Queen's gigs back in the day were classic sold out, I'm sure there were just as many where you could grab tickets at the last minute. Dunno about the fluctuating pricing though, if that ever happened back then. I'm sure someone can weigh in on that. Now, you mention KISS, and they are a good example of how a gig that sell well (their final two Garden shows), is given that final "papering" push, to fill every seat in the buliding. Still "sold out" in the end, even though some of those tickets were sold at a bargain price, or bought by a sponsor who subsequently gave it away for free to whoever. On the same tour, though - they had many shows that I would classify as soft sellers. Attendance was not good, even when people could get very cheap tickets close to show day. Go to the KISSFAQ websiste; Plenty of reports talk about empty sections in the arena, even with the "artifical" push that is dirt cheap / free tickets. I also mentioned Springsteen above; some of his US shows backfired when he went down the "dynamic pricing" route. In the end, most gigs had people in every seat, but I read one report of a guy who got tickets right behind the pit for 6 dollars Now, the last time you could see Springsteen for 6 dollars prior to that must have been in early 1975 Please don’t miss quote me, I’ve said nothing about trolling. In your reply you have acknowledged that other artists don’t sell out and that historically Queen didn’t always sell out. So why is it a problem now? If you look at their attendance figures they are as good as they ever were. You can easily find evidence that in 1980 some European venues didn’t sell out (Paris less than 75 percent full) others closer to 80/90 percent. While many were sold out you really can’t ignore those that didn’t. US Hot Space shows were often below capacity. As for discounted tickets, you still need audience numbers to sell them too. If Muse play to 80 thousand people at Wembley Stadium how many people are going to look at that and say “well they only sold 70 thousand because the remaining 10 thousand were promoter give aways, record company friends, radio station prizes, corporate discounted bundles. . .”
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 3, 2024 17:13:51 GMT
You’re just trolling at this point. Stop. On the last Springsteen tour in the US, there are LOADS of stories of people buying tickets for next to nothing on the day of the show. Happened at every single show that wasn't an instant sell out. People got good floor seats for less than 10 dollars on some of the shows. And guess what? The building filled up nicely, and at least the promoter had more people inside the venue who could leave money in the bar... These are facts. If FACTS go against a happily-ever-after Qal story of a sold out show in Japan...well, the facts are still the facts. It is quite dire in Japan at the moment, then? I wonder just how low they will go to fill seats?
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Post by Nicki on Feb 4, 2024 12:52:49 GMT
In the videos I‘ve seen so far, the Nagoya Dome looked full and everybody had a good time. What more do you want? The Japanes venues all have a capacity of ~50k seats, so they’re much bigger than anything QAL played in Europe or the USA in the last 2 years.
And in addition to that: The ticket buying process in Japan was especially weird (at least to me), because you could only choose a ticket from one out of three categories. But as I understood it, you didn’t know your seat (or even which section) until days or hours before the concert. So if you bought a ticket for the floor, you didn’t know, if you would end up in the front row or the last row. That’s completely weird to me and I can imagine that it stops fans from other countries to travel all the way to Japan to see a concert?
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Post by georg on Feb 4, 2024 16:19:12 GMT
Don’t you all realize? Clearly if any Q+AL tour isn’t a 120% sell-out then they’re abject failures and it only reinforces that Brian and Roger are has-beens who should’ve just stayed home since November 24, 1991! Looks like the luster from the film has really worn off! What’s the point of this thread? It comes off as gloating and smug confirmation bias. There can be constructive ways to talk about ticket sales but this ain’t it. It’s been a little over five years since the film came out, so I’d say they got plenty of mileage out of it, especially considering they missed out on two years because of the pandemic. So what’s your point?
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Post by eiricd on Feb 4, 2024 18:18:24 GMT
I'm surprised that someone takes offence when it's pointed out that a random gig on the current tour appears to not have sold all the tickets.
Am I offended that The Miracle box set didn't go to #1? No. It is what it is.
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Post by georg on Feb 4, 2024 18:30:51 GMT
I'm surprised that someone takes offence when it's pointed out that a random gig on the current tour appears to not have sold all the tickets. Am I offended that The Miracle box set didn't go to #1? No. It is what it is. I don’t start threads gleefully saying that they’ve lost their luster. I certainly didn’t care that Face It Alone peaked at #90. I just enjoy the Miracle box set that I bought, and don’t give a shit how it performed in the charts.
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Post by eiricd on Feb 4, 2024 18:42:00 GMT
I fail to see how anyone has a problem with anything written in this thread, regardless of whether you love or loathe Qal Great stuff for the x % of capacity in Nagoya - perhaps next time around they'll have a good old sell out. Or maybe less people will attend than in 2024. Or maybe they'll drop Nagoya altogether and do another date in Tokyo. Or maybe 2024 is the last trip around Japan. Maybe next time the band dusts off something from the archive it will reach the top 80 on the singles charts. Or maybe it won't crack the Top 100. Or maybe Face it alone was the last single release by Queen. How anyone can be offended by any of this is weird to say the least.
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Post by georg on Feb 4, 2024 19:45:07 GMT
You’re mistaken in thinking anyone’s offended.
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 5, 2024 2:00:51 GMT
Don’t you all realize? Clearly if any Q+AL tour isn’t a 120% sell-out then they’re abject failures and it only reinforces that Brian and Roger are has-beens who should’ve just stayed home since November 24, 1991! Looks like the luster from the film has really worn off! What’s the point of this thread? It comes off as gloating and smug confirmation bias. There can be constructive ways to talk about ticket sales but this ain’t it. It’s been a little over five years since the film came out, so I’d say they got plenty of mileage out of it, especially considering they missed out on two years because of the pandemic. So what’s your point? I made an observation to spur discussion on the Japanese ticket sales. The topic interests me so is that enough of a "point"? You keep asserting I am gleeful and gloating about the lack of sales but you haven't even bothered to read anything I've really said in this thread. I have made it clear that I want this tour to be a success and am rooting for it. I have seen QAL three times here in the States! I want Brian and Roger to continue to tour for as long as they possibly can!
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Post by pg on Feb 5, 2024 10:33:28 GMT
I made an observation to spur discussion on the Japanese ticket sales. The topic interests me so is that enough of a "point"? Fair enough. Why draw a line between the film and ticket sales half a decade later? Could it be that the last big release was a fairly middling album box set? Or maybe it's that there's no new material? Maybe Japan is going through a recession - are ticket prices higher than last time QAL were there? In fact, did they sell out LAST time? I'd argue that you haven't debated anything, you've just chucked an assumptive hand grenade in and wandered off. You claim that the tone wasn't intended as negative, although my reading of it was that it seemed pretty snarky, so maybe you'll need to adapt your style to avoid such misunderstandings going forward
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 5, 2024 16:00:02 GMT
I made an observation to spur discussion on the Japanese ticket sales. The topic interests me so is that enough of a "point"? Why draw a line between the film and ticket sales half a decade later? In fact, did they sell out LAST time? YES. They DID sell out all the Japan dates last time.
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 5, 2024 16:08:56 GMT
I made an observation to spur discussion on the Japanese ticket sales. The topic interests me so is that enough of a "point"? I'd argue that you haven't debated anything, you've just chucked an assumptive hand grenade in and wandered off. Just like georg before you, you obviously didn't bother to read my responses in this thread. I hardly "wandered off". If my observation that this tour didn't sell out is a "hand grenade" and such an incendiary topic I'd hate to see your response to something really controversial and provocative. I was opening a discussion about it because there is no debating the fact that this tour didn't sell out in Japan OR in the States and they DID last time around.
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 5, 2024 16:25:47 GMT
I made an observation to spur discussion on the Japanese ticket sales. The topic interests me so is that enough of a "point"? You claim that the tone wasn't intended as negative, although my reading of it was that it seemed pretty snarky, so maybe you'll need to adapt your style to avoid such misunderstandings going forward Well, I never claimed my post wasn't negative because well...it IS negative whenever you sell less tickets on the current tour than you did on the last one. As far as my style, I will grant you I CAN see how it initially can be seen as "snarky" but if you and georg had cared enough to read the thread before calling me out as such maybe there wouldn't have been as much "misunderstanding" of my intent. I was conveying the way I felt when I saw this tour wasn't close to being sold out just days before the actual shows and that was "Oooof". Remembering how the last one in 2023 in the States did in comparison to 2019 made me think that the distance from that hit film is starting to hurt it.
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 5, 2024 16:33:33 GMT
I made an observation to spur discussion on the Japanese ticket sales. The topic interests me so is that enough of a "point"? Fair enough. Why draw a line between the film and ticket sales half a decade later? Lastly...why not? Why does it bother you that I think there is a connection? My apologies if I didn't create a post you think is worth participating in. That's the beauty of scrolling.
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Post by georg on Feb 5, 2024 17:10:40 GMT
I'd argue that you haven't debated anything, you've just chucked an assumptive hand grenade in and wandered off. Just like georg before you, you obviously didn't bother to read my responses in this thread. I hardly "wandered off". If my observation that this tour didn't sell out is a "hand grenade" and such an incendiary topic I'd hate to see your response to something really controversial and provocative. I was opening a discussion about it because there is no debating the fact that this tour didn't sell out in Japan OR in the States and they DID last time around. I did read your responses. You mentioned wanting the tour to be successful once before I replied. Everything else, including the title, comes off as snarky and gives no other indication that you wanted the tour to be a success. Look, you can criticize the tour all you want, and that's fine, it's your right to do so. I'm glad you've seen them as much as you have. But if you're looking for positive discussion and constructive criticism – which is the goal on this forum; if it's meant to be combative that's a different kettle of fish altogether – titling the thread and opening it with what you did, while you may not have intended it to sound that way, comes off as gloating that the tour isn't a sellout. It's all about tone, which is often difficult to tell online. It's fine to open a discussion, and it's fine to debate that the tour isn't a sell-out, but if you want any kind of meaningful conversation and to not get the responses you've gotten, you need to start with more than "Looks like the luster from the film has really worn off!"
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