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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 5, 2024 17:29:37 GMT
Let's just agree that sometimes the written word doesn't come across as the spoken word might have been intended. 🙂 There is a sense of repetition here though, as primejiveusa created a very similar discussion (with similarly defensive responses, IIRC) relating to the US tour. FWIW, I don't think they would continue to tour and play in large venues if ticket sales weren't acceptable. The movie clearly gave them a bit of a boost back into the public eye, and they were entirely justified to capitalise on that wave, but I don't believe that current ticket sales are wholly reflective of the movie running it's course, as there are plenty of other factors in the world today which may cause people to prioritise their expenditures.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 5, 2024 17:33:31 GMT
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 5, 2024 18:21:46 GMT
Just like georg before you, you obviously didn't bother to read my responses in this thread. I hardly "wandered off". If my observation that this tour didn't sell out is a "hand grenade" and such an incendiary topic I'd hate to see your response to something really controversial and provocative. I was opening a discussion about it because there is no debating the fact that this tour didn't sell out in Japan OR in the States and they DID last time around. I did read your responses. You mentioned wanting the tour to be successful once before I replied. Everything else, including the title, comes off as snarky and gives no other indication that you wanted the tour to be a success. Look, you can criticize the tour all you want, and that's fine, it's your right to do so. I'm glad you've seen them as much as you have. But if you're looking for positive discussion and constructive criticism – which is the goal on this forum; if it's meant to be combative that's a different kettle of fish altogether – titling the thread and opening it with what you did, while you may not have intended it to sound that way, comes off as gloating that the tour isn't a sellout. It's all about tone, which is often difficult to tell online. It's fine to open a discussion, and it's fine to debate that the tour isn't a sell-out, but if you want any kind of meaningful conversation and to not get the responses you've gotten, you need to start with more than "Looks like the luster from the film has really worn off!" I do want to have positive, constructive discussions and I very much appreciate this forum. I appreciate your advice, as well, and will consider it moving forward.
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 5, 2024 18:28:06 GMT
Let's just agree that sometimes the written word doesn't come across as the spoken word might have been intended. 🙂 There is a sense of repetition here though, as primejiveusa created a very similar discussion (with similarly defensive responses, IIRC) relating to the US tour. FWIW, I don't think they would continue to tour and play in large venues if ticket sales weren't acceptable. The movie clearly gave them a bit of a boost back into the public eye, and they were entirely justified to capitalise on that wave, but I don't believe that current ticket sales are wholly reflective of the movie running it's course, as there are plenty of other factors in the world today which may cause people to prioritise their expenditures. This thread isn't as much a repetition as it is a continuation of my U.S. Tour attendance thread. I thought they would have bounced back into sell-out territory in Japan. Having said that, I agree with everything you said here.
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Post by georg on Feb 5, 2024 18:29:12 GMT
I do want to have positive, constructive discussions and I very much appreciate this forum. I appreciate your advice, as well, and will consider it moving forward. Cheers.
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Post by brightonrock on Feb 6, 2024 1:20:52 GMT
Generally, as this article indicates, I am feeling the recession and high prices that are woven together by various factors such as the pandemic and the war in Ukraine. But this is probably not limited to Japan, where I live. However, despite this, ticket prices for this year's Japan tour are slightly lower than in 2020. I was expecting a considerable price increase due to high prices and the chronically weak yen, so this price helped me a lot.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 7, 2024 20:47:46 GMT
I made an observation to spur discussion on the Japanese ticket sales. The topic interests me so is that enough of a "point"? Fair enough. Why draw a line between the film and ticket sales half a decade later? Could it be that the last big release was a fairly middling album box set? Or maybe it's that there's no new material? Maybe Japan is going through a recession - are ticket prices higher than last time QAL were there? In fact, did they sell out LAST time? I'd argue that you haven't debated anything, you've just chucked an assumptive hand grenade in and wandered off. You claim that the tone wasn't intended as negative, although my reading of it was that it seemed pretty snarky, so maybe you'll need to adapt your style to avoid such misunderstandings going forward Our beloved pg is a self-professed jerk. If he's calling you a jerk, you should probably listen. He's completely on point here.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 7, 2024 20:56:42 GMT
That's the beauty of scrolling. That's bordering on first amendment nonsense. In the rest of the civilized world, freedom of speech comes with social responsibility. The goal of discourse is to improve it, not vomit out things that are designed to be provocative and then duck for cover when we're called out for it. Freedom of speech also entails freedom of others to call you out for abusing the privilege. Please do better.
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Post by saintjiub on Feb 7, 2024 21:59:23 GMT
I do want to have positive, constructive discussions and I very much appreciate this forum. I appreciate your advice, as well, and will consider it moving forward. Cheers. The above, and other replies on page 2 of this topic seem to have already resolved this dispute.
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 8, 2024 0:23:37 GMT
The above, and other replies on page 2 of this topic seem to have already resolved this dispute. I thought so, too! I guess I just needed to be notified that pg is beloved and I'm not?
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Post by pg on Feb 9, 2024 0:28:40 GMT
In fairness it was news to me too.
Personally, I don't have any degree of love/hate for you (or most of the rest of the forum). I just react to posts. Often my response is OTT and I therefore seem a twat. Sometimes, my response is valid. Occasionally, both situations coincide.
What nobody should do is take me seriously, because nothing on the internet is actually important.
Well, maybe xhamster is.
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Post by primejiveusa on Feb 11, 2024 0:59:34 GMT
In fairness it was news to me too. Personally, I don't have any degree of love/hate for you (or most of the rest of the forum). I just react to posts. Often my response is OTT and I therefore seem a twat. Sometimes, my response is valid. Occasionally, both situations coincide. What nobody should do is take me seriously, because nothing on the internet is actually important. Well, maybe xhamster is. I really enjoyed our conversation even if it seemed contentious! I'm very appreciative of this forum and will be mindful of how I present a topic in the future.
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