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Post by Mustapha Ibrahim on Jul 24, 2020 5:22:47 GMT
This doesn't entirely mean "footage". Some official releases were just audio.
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Post by Ryan Newton on Jul 24, 2020 5:31:09 GMT
Out of the shows we know the multitracked, Hyde Park is well past it's due date for an official release.
If I were to pick any show though? Inglewood 12/22/77 no question. The extant recording is some of the greatest 90 minutes of Queen ever captured on tape. The remaining 45 minutes of the concert were sure to be special, and it would be incredible to get it on a good recording some day.
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Post by Chopin1995 on Jul 24, 2020 17:31:56 GMT
Totally agree with Ryan's post.
I'd say Hyde Park and Hammersmith 79 from those that have footage. Tokyo 75 and Rainbow March show if there's more.
Inglewood 77 or London 78 shows from those without footage, or any other NOTW concert.
Additionally something from the early days until UK March Tour 74.
I still believe that they will release these things, even if it means decades of waiting. But I don't "hold my breath" waiting for it to happen. After all we have 15 studio albums, many outtakes, demos, alternate versions, multitracks, over 300 concerts to listen to. Quite a lot.
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Post by pg on Jul 24, 2020 19:06:03 GMT
anything pre 73
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Post by Dry Paint Dealer Undr on Jul 24, 2020 20:52:32 GMT
Generic Newcastle 4/12/79
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Post by RhapsodiaBohemia on Sept 2, 2020 18:32:48 GMT
Hammersmith '79 for me as it was a legendary concert
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Post by saintjiub on Sept 2, 2020 19:12:45 GMT
Houston '77 ... but I know it is a pipe dream.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 2, 2020 20:16:28 GMT
Figuring in QPL's refusal to release anything that isn't mixed from a 24 track recording (barring a single track here and there), the most realistic thing we can ask for is a two night compilation of Earls Court 77 or a small box set of the Live Killers period. I'm legitimately surprised they didn't do something last year for the 40th anniversary of the latter - that was a hole in one if it's $ they're after.
They've already released Rainbow and Hammersmith, and they're very unlikely to put out Hyde Park because the performance was sloppy in a few places.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 2, 2020 20:57:20 GMT
Figuring in QPL's refusal to release anything that isn't mixed from a 24 track recording (barring a single track here and there), the most realistic thing we can ask for is a two night compilation of Earls Court 77 or a small box set of the Live Killers period. I'm legitimately surprised they didn't do something last year for the 40th anniversary of the latter - that was a hole in one if it's $ they're after.
They've already released Rainbow and Hammersmith, and they're very unlikely to put out Hyde Park because the performance was sloppy in a few places.
I wish they would do something like Jimmy Page did with The Song Remains The Same, with the 'missing' tracks restored and all in the correct sequence. That was awesome when it came out, and along with the vastly improved sound quality, it was like having a brand new live album. All it requires is a little effort, but that's what QPL so often seems to be lacking. If they can't be arsed, why can't they get someone else to do it? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 2, 2020 21:43:57 GMT
Figuring in QPL's refusal to release anything that isn't mixed from a 24 track recording (barring a single track here and there), the most realistic thing we can ask for is a two night compilation of Earls Court 77 or a small box set of the Live Killers period. I'm legitimately surprised they didn't do something last year for the 40th anniversary of the latter - that was a hole in one if it's $ they're after.
They've already released Rainbow and Hammersmith, and they're very unlikely to put out Hyde Park because the performance was sloppy in a few places.
I wish they would do something like Jimmy Page did with The Song Remains The Same, with the 'missing' tracks restored and all in the correct sequence. That was awesome when it came out, and along with the vastly improved sound quality, it was like having a brand new live album. All it requires is a little effort, but that's what QPL so often seems to be lacking. If they can't be arsed, why can't they get someone else to do it? There was actually a lot of gripe from LZ fans about the creative "liberties" taken by Page - a lot of great moments from the classic soundtrack aren't present on the later versions. It was great to hear the extra tracks a few times, but I still go back to the original when I have a craving.
As for QPL, they do have other people doing it, but they're under strict marching orders to do the job in a certain way, as is the right of the people signing the cheques - it's their art after all, and they want to control the narrative.
The Rainbow and NOTW box sets are far more than most of us could've realistically expected (3-31-74 was definitely for us, not the man on the street), and methinks we should count our blessings at this point. I doubt we're going to get much more.
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Post by pg on Sept 3, 2020 8:32:01 GMT
the feeling I had in the late 90s was that we'd never see any release that didn't have a good proportion of "hits" on, so both Rainbow and Hammersmith were pleasant surprises really.
So, sadly, I do take your point Bob. There's unlikely to be much more, unless there's a dramatic change of opinion within qpl
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Post by blackparadox on Sept 3, 2020 14:44:51 GMT
Complete footage from Rainbow March 1974 and Tokyo 1975
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Post by lemonysnick123 on Sept 4, 2020 2:13:40 GMT
For sure Hammersmith 1979 and Hyde Park 1976. Houston 1977 is already in decent quality, audio-wise at least. Earl's Court 1977 is pretty decent quality as well.
But the copies of Hyde Park have all sounded awful, except for the audience recording which still isn't that great. And Hammersmith 1979 is just freaking awesome, so I would love to see that in all its glory.
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Post by RhapsodiaBohemia on Sept 4, 2020 5:45:07 GMT
It would be a miracle if QPL released Hammersmith '79 but judging by the circumstances described above by Wizard I doubt it will be released anytime soon. There's still hope I guess if QPL pulls a surprise move but it really isn't that high
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 4, 2020 13:01:12 GMT
I think Hammersmith '79 would be by far the best choice in terms of a balance between - Quality of the performance - Quality of the recording - Appeal of the setlist to a general audience - Appeal to the fanbase To please the die-hard fans, probably a '77 show.
Oh, and as morbid and cynical as it may sound: simply going from the facts about other, older artists, there are going to be plenty of future releases of previously unreleased material. They will come when Brian, Roger and John are dead and the choices will be made by people who were not personally involved with the band and don't have the same (IMHO more or less pathological) selective perfectionism that's currently ruling QPL.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 4, 2020 16:40:52 GMT
Oh, and as morbid and cynical as it may sound: simply going from the facts about other, older artists, there are going to be plenty of future releases of previously unreleased material. They will come when Brian, Roger and John are dead and the choices will be made by people who were not personally involved with the band and don't have the same (IMHO more or less pathological) selective perfectionism that's currently ruling QPL. The trouble with that is, so might some of us be dead by then too! I'll be bloody annoyed if I just miss out on all those archive releases lol! 😄 |
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Post by Ri on Sept 4, 2020 16:52:38 GMT
Oh, and as morbid and cynical as it may sound: simply going from the facts about other, older artists, there are going to be plenty of future releases of previously unreleased material. They will come when Brian, Roger and John are dead and the choices will be made by people who were not personally involved with the band and don't have the same (IMHO more or less pathological) selective perfectionism that's currently ruling QPL. How significant is "selective perfectionism" affecting the lack of content happening right now? I think these mentioned shows were great or were there any record of them being unhappy with these shows? |
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Post by lemonysnick123 on Sept 4, 2020 18:16:03 GMT
Oh, and as morbid and cynical as it may sound: simply going from the facts about other, older artists, there are going to be plenty of future releases of previously unreleased material. They will come when Brian, Roger and John are dead and the choices will be made by people who were not personally involved with the band and don't have the same (IMHO more or less pathological) selective perfectionism that's currently ruling QPL. How significant is "selective perfectionism" affecting the lack of content happening right now? I think these mentioned shows were great or were there any record of them being unhappy with these shows? There tends to be a lot of conjecture on the part of fans when we try to understand why QPL seems unwilling to release shows that we really want. |
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Post by Sakura4anime25 on Sept 4, 2020 23:32:07 GMT
I would love to see video for the full Hammersmith '79 concert. The performances are really great IMO and the video we have is not too bad, so it would be so nice to get video of the entire thing.
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Post by mrqueenguy on Sept 6, 2020 11:52:42 GMT
I don't think Earls Court 1977, Houston 1977 and Hammersmith 1979 are never going to released because the fans already have it in some way; Also overdubbing becomes harder because the proof it is is out there.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Sept 6, 2020 16:41:17 GMT
I don't think Earls Court 1977, Houston 1977 and Hammersmith 1979 are never going to released because the fans already have it in some way; Also overdubbing becomes harder because the proof it is is out there. Hammersmith 1975 was the most bootlegged Queen show ever, and they still overdubbed/autotuned that one before releasing it.
The videos of those songs have millions of hits on YouTube. Hardcore fans heard the show for decades, but that now accounts for less than 1% of the people who have heard it. QPL definitely are not concerned about that tiny minority. If it's deemed profitable, they'll put it out.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Sept 7, 2020 9:50:09 GMT
Your reasoning as to why it's certainly not unthinkable that any or all of those could be released is definitely sound. I'm not so sure about "If it's deemed profitable, they'll put it out" though. If that was the reasoning they're going by, there would almost certainly have been *more* live releases in the 2000-2020 period, as the market does not seem to have been saturated. It seems that there's another reasoning at work that leads them to be hesitant in releasing new material, although I have no idea what it could reasonably be.
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Post by zephead2112 on Jan 21, 2021 15:59:27 GMT
It's got to be Hammersmith '79 for me (audio and/or visual). As someone who prefers their 70's output, that is the peak for me (sadly I missed it, Leeds '82 being my first Queen gig). It boasts a comprehensive setlist and Queen at the height of their live power. Terrific performance too.
Has it been officially confirmed that QPL don't have the multi-tracks? I know that's been the word for years now and sadly, if that's the case, I suspect that my dream will remain just that....a dream.
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Post by Raf on Jan 21, 2021 16:59:38 GMT
I don't understand how they are "too perfectionist" for most of the famous bootlegs (Hammersmith 79, Earls Court, Houston, Hyde Park etc). Don't they overdub pretty much every live release with audio from better nights whenever Freddie misses a note or Brian fumbles a solo? If everything we heard from them so far has been "fixed", they could just fix whatever it is they're hoarding and release it too.
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Post by zephead2112 on Jan 21, 2021 19:15:42 GMT
I don't understand how they are "too perfectionist" for most of the famous bootlegs (Hammersmith 79, Earls Court, Houston, Hyde Park etc). Don't they overdub pretty much every live release with audio from better nights whenever Freddie misses a note or Brian fumbles a solo? If everything we heard from them so far has been "fixed", they could just fix whatever it is they're hoarding and release it too. I agree, when I first saw and heard the Hammersmith '79 footage in the mid-1980's (The Queen Special TV broadcast on bootleg VHS), I was absolutely blown away with it. Was I listening for bum notes or fumbled solos? No of course not! I just reveled in the excitement of seeing that footage for the first time, it was amazing. These days, everything is so 'safe' and commercially driven. OK, I can understand that we live in a different world now but just put it out FFS!!!! The earlier comment about some of us older Queen fans being dead before this stuff is released is now a complete reality. Don't get me wrong, I was extremely happy and grateful to have the Rainbow & NOTW boxes but there have been so many missed opportunities over the years. |
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Post by Raf on Jan 21, 2021 19:25:15 GMT
I don't understand how they are "too perfectionist" for most of the famous bootlegs (Hammersmith 79, Earls Court, Houston, Hyde Park etc). Don't they overdub pretty much every live release with audio from better nights whenever Freddie misses a note or Brian fumbles a solo? If everything we heard from them so far has been "fixed", they could just fix whatever it is they're hoarding and release it too. I agree, when I first saw and heard the Hammersmith '79 footage in the mid-1980's (The Queen Special TV broadcast on bootleg VHS), I was absolutely blown away with it. Was I listening for bum notes or fumbled solos? No of course not! I just reveled in the excitement of seeing that footage for the first time, it was amazing. These days, everything is so 'safe' and commercially driven. OK, I can understand that we live in a different world now but just put it out FFS!!!! The earlier comment about some of us older Queen fans being dead before this stuff is released is now a complete reality. Don't get me wrong, I was extremely happy and grateful to have the Rainbow & NOTW boxes but there have been so many missed opportunities over the years. I, too, don't mind a mistake here and there. I guess it helps the recordings feel "live". But my point is that they usually do fix things, so why would a mistake actually stop them from releasing a specific concert? They could just fix that mistake like they've been doing for the last decades and release the bloody thing. Although I prefer the actual live recording as it happened, I'd rather get an excellent quality version of the concert with a couple of patches to make Brian happy than having the "legit live experience" as some old blurry VHS rip in 320p with hiss and audio artifacts. |
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Post by ethan on Jan 22, 2021 16:57:38 GMT
A full Boston 77 (NOTW) but it'll never actually happen.
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Post by peacelovingguy on Jan 23, 2021 13:52:17 GMT
It's got to be Hammersmith '79 for me (audio and/or visual). As someone who prefers their 70's output, that is the peak for me (sadly I missed it, Leeds '82 being my first Queen gig). It boasts a comprehensive setlist and Queen at the height of their live power. Terrific performance too. Has it been officially confirmed that QPL don't have the multi-tracks? I know that's been the word for years now and sadly, if that's the case, I suspect that my dream will remain just that....a dream. Didn’t someone, (Brian?) say the multitracks for Hammersmith 79 had been stolen, which is why they couldn’t release it? I too love that concert. |
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Post by pg on Jan 23, 2021 14:21:40 GMT
Hammersmith tapes stolen....and NOT bootleggers?
Seemed unlikely
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Post by fras444 on Mar 21, 2021 22:54:05 GMT
Figuring in QPL's refusal to release anything that isn't mixed from a 24 track recording (barring a single track here and there), the most realistic thing we can ask for is a two night compilation of Earls Court 77 or a small box set of the Live Killers period. I'm legitimately surprised they didn't do something last year for the 40th anniversary of the latter - that was a hole in one if it's $ they're after.
They've already released Rainbow and Hammersmith, and they're very unlikely to put out Hyde Park because the performance was sloppy in a few places.
I wish they would do something like Jimmy Page did with The Song Remains The Same, with the 'missing' tracks restored and all in the correct sequence. That was awesome when it came out, and along with the vastly improved sound quality, it was like having a brand new live album. All it requires is a little effort, but that's what QPL so often seems to be lacking. If they can't be arsed, why can't they get someone else to do it? I was going to send Brian an email years and years ago telling him that he needed to release the Hammersmith show in full and that they should take one out of the led zep book and include SSOR/SWAFIB (see what a fool..) on 'the, then rumored' Hammersmith release when Brian was calling on any bootleggers to see if they had a video recording of that show.. I was wanting him to do like a montage and possible video editing to include those songs on a completed video. More so I was hoping that they would do a run in commentary for that 'potential' release. I enjoyed at the time their full video commentary with either, live at the bowl or Montreal, and they really touched on some nice little snippets regarding various songs that were played and I was really looking forward to hearing their reminiscing on songs like Ogre Battle or even a joking part when John sung into Freddie's mic etc etc.. I was really looking forward to hearing what they thought of SWAFIB because this was "pre 2011" and YouTube at it's prime and discovering all of these amazing "live/rare Queen" stuff. I saw SWAFIB as like this mysterious song that I was longing Brian and Roger to explain more hence I was hopping that it would be included in a way that Led Zep did with the Lez Zep DVD and the one at the Royal Albert hall where lost video parts were filled in with pictures to create the full experiences. So that Brian and Roger can talk about it in their live commentary... As we know.... Rainbow and Hammersmith didn't have that, which I feel is a shame. But yes I feel Queen could do something along those lines live what Led Zep did for a number of "90% but incomplete..." Live concerts. use a montage and or snippets to create full concerts for DVD |
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