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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 20, 2020 21:36:14 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out here. The year of recording is the interesting part. I think this recording was 'found' by Brian IE the archival team alerted him to it this year and flagged it for a copyright dump as it's now 50 years old. Whether it gets a proper release or not, I'd keep your eyes on streaming services between now and the end of 2020 because it will appear, even if just for a few hours so it is copyrighted. It might even have been and gone already. An interesting hypothesis. So maybe we should keep our eyes peeled these days..
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It is indeed intriguing. So, does it have to appear with correct identification to be copyrighted? Otherwise, it could be labelled as something completely different that no one would take any notice of. |
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Post by dysan on Dec 21, 2020 7:32:56 GMT
Exactly, and I think that's the preferred route. Bowie's estate popped out some previously unreleased 1968 demos under an alias at the end of 2018 shortly before they came out the following year so I guess not. After the year we've had, would be a nice treat to see this appear legitimately on Christmas morning  |
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Post by Chopin1995 on Dec 21, 2020 14:03:27 GMT
I just went through the entire interview and it turns out Brian said a bit more about this recording. Apparently they're discussing whether to release it or not, and Kris Fredriksson has already been doing some work on the tape (starting from 8:11):
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Post by georg on Dec 21, 2020 14:33:13 GMT
I do like how Elis or John (not sure who's who) kind of held Brian's feet to the fire about releasing the concert. You could tell Brian kind of wanted to move on but the one dude kept pressing, which was nice.
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Post by Ri on Dec 21, 2020 16:45:17 GMT
I do like how Elis or John (not sure who's who) kind of held Brian's feet to the fire about releasing the concert. You could tell Brian kind of wanted to move on but the one dude kept pressing, which was nice. I thought it was risky to ask if they really previously agreed not to bring it up. They took one for the team! |
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Post by staysweet on Dec 21, 2020 17:11:26 GMT
I do like how Elis or John (not sure who's who) kind of held Brian's feet to the fire about releasing the concert. You could tell Brian kind of wanted to move on but the one dude kept pressing, which was nice. I thought it was risky to ask if they really previously agreed not to bring it up. They took one for the team! I think Brian was trying to hide his irritation a bit. But I’m glad they pressed him on it too. The funny part is that Brian said he liked the concert, and was different in his old age and is now not so critical of his old performances, he just enjoys them. Yeah, right! If that were true, we’d have lots of the old stuff released. |
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Post by NathanH on Dec 21, 2020 19:42:04 GMT
Brian said that Kris has made the tape "listenable" which to me makes it even more incredible that he likes it and would like it to be released as it doesn't sound like it's going to be great quality unlike other rarer recordings from band sources. I'm guessing this concert is in similar quality to like the Oxford '73 soundcheck.
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Post by fcb101 on Dec 21, 2020 20:01:16 GMT
Brian said that Kris has made the tape "listenable" which to me makes it even more incredible that he likes it and would like it to be released as it doesn't sound like it's going to be great quality unlike other rarer recordings from band sources. I'm guessing this concert is in similar quality to like the Oxford '73 soundcheck. I don't think so. What is listenable to us bootleg lovers is probably considered crap by Brian. I'm pretty sure this 1970 recording is quite good. |
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Post by kimonofreddie74 on Dec 21, 2020 21:44:04 GMT
Brian said that Kris has made the tape "listenable" which to me makes it even more incredible that he likes it and would like it to be released as it doesn't sound like it's going to be great quality unlike other rarer recordings from band sources. I'm guessing this concert is in similar quality to like the Oxford '73 soundcheck. I don't think so. What is listenable to us bootleg lovers is probably considered crap by Brian. I'm pretty sure this 1970 recording is quite good. I'd probably say that anything untouched by overdubs or pitch corrections sounds crap by his standards. I'd say as well probably a bootleg at a B+ sounds like arse to Dr. May. Also, any explanation to the 'quality control' quip people give to Brian, I see that comment banded around a lot? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Dec 22, 2020 2:33:24 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out here. The year of recording is the interesting part. I think this recording was 'found' by Brian IE the archival team alerted him to it this year and flagged it for a copyright dump as it's now 50 years old. Whether it gets a proper release or not, I'd keep your eyes on streaming services between now and the end of 2020 because it will appear, even if just for a few hours so it is copyrighted. It might even have been and gone already. Excellent observation.
In due time we'll see if you're right.
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Post by fcb101 on Dec 22, 2020 6:37:59 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out here. The year of recording is the interesting part. I think this recording was 'found' by Brian IE the archival team alerted him to it this year and flagged it for a copyright dump as it's now 50 years old. Whether it gets a proper release or not, I'd keep your eyes on streaming services between now and the end of 2020 because it will appear, even if just for a few hours so it is copyrighted. It might even have been and gone already. Excellent observation.
In due time we'll see if you're right.
But, he would not mention it on the radio, give attention to it on his channels by posting the link if they were planning on just doing a release because of copyright regulation. It happens all quiet then. |
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Post by Retromusic on Dec 23, 2020 5:27:38 GMT
I have my fingers crossed, i really want to hear how they sounded in the beginning.
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Post by pg on Dec 23, 2020 7:00:18 GMT
If there was a need to "copyright dump", then wouldn't it have happened already?
All the 1970 concerts were pre-Dec....
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Dec 23, 2020 9:42:06 GMT
If there was a need to "copyright dump", then wouldn't it have happened already? All the 1970 concerts were pre-Dec.... I'm not *entirely* sure, but I'm 95% sure that copyright works by calendar year, not exact date - e.g., if Author A died on August 3, 1950, copyright expires on December 31, 2020, not August 3, 2020. |
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Post by Chopin1995 on Dec 23, 2020 13:35:08 GMT
Another short, but very interesting bit from this interview. Thanks to Kurgan for uploading his recording.
(1:02 - 1:15)
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Post by khizzy on Dec 23, 2020 16:51:51 GMT
I hate to be skeptical about this but Brian's change in attitude is probably in part due to the fact that they know they won't be able to tour any time soon and so he's been told about old stuff in the archive as they've had time to delve. I hope this means that we'll potentially see other rare stuff considered too but we're still waiting for The Miracle box set so I might just be completely off the mark.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Dec 23, 2020 21:39:29 GMT
Quite honestly, the way he talks about it sounds like they've already discussed it and they're pretty much convinced to put it on an album. Here's hoping they will release both that and anything else from the archives next year, as it'll be Queen's 50th anniversary (with John Deacon on bass anyway).
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Post by donovan on Dec 24, 2020 20:51:09 GMT
I'll be the contrarian - I feel like this WILL come out, and the "hey you weren't supposed to mention that!" act is just meant to hype us up.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Dec 25, 2020 8:38:22 GMT
I'll be the contrarian - I feel like this WILL come out, and the "hey you weren't supposed to mention that!" act is just meant to hype us up. I like the way you think. It also explains why they didn't talk about the Miracle box set  |
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Post by Goldy on Dec 25, 2020 17:53:22 GMT
We all know he had these tapes available for the past 15 years.. maybe the experience of not being able to perform is finally forcing him to release tapes (under pressure from somebody close to him), hopefully of famous shows
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 18:26:42 GMT
Bob Dylan recently released a few copies of his 1970 sessions with George Harrison to avoid them entering public domain. Limited release seems like the likely option for artists who want to retain copyright for possible future release.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Dec 27, 2020 18:38:46 GMT
If they were going to put the tapes out, they'd have done so as the "top 100 bootlegs" Nah, that was never intended to be anything but a cash-in on existing things. One of them was a mislabelled copy of Montreal 81. Whoever gave the green light to that one was completely out to lunch.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Dec 27, 2020 18:39:54 GMT
I'll be the contrarian - I feel like this WILL come out, and the "hey you weren't supposed to mention that!" act is just meant to hype us up. I like the way you think. It also explains why they didn't talk about the Miracle box set Compared to anything from the 1970s (let alone a live tape from 1970) that box set is completely superfluous and pointless. I can't believe they legitimately spent great amounts of time on that but haven't released any studio outtakes from 1974-76, or anything from the Hyde Park or Earls Court shows even with mono audio. It's just mind-boggling.
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Post by littlequeenie97 on Dec 27, 2020 22:38:44 GMT
I like the way you think. It also explains why they didn't talk about the Miracle box set Compared to anything from the 1970s (let alone a live tape from 1970) that box set is completely superfluous and pointless. I can't believe they legitimately spent great amounts of time on that but haven't released any studio outtakes from 1974-76, or anything from the Hyde Park or Earls Court shows even with mono audio. It's just mind-boggling.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 27, 2020 23:22:40 GMT
Compared to anything from the 1970s (let alone a live tape from 1970) that box set is completely superfluous and pointless. I can't believe they legitimately spent great amounts of time on that but haven't released any studio outtakes from 1974-76, or anything from the Hyde Park or Earls Court shows even with mono audio. It's just mind-boggling.
Yeah, QPL Makes the worst management decisions ever! For us, yes. For them? They're just after an easy buck. The trouble is, (generalising) we are our own worst enemy, as every time a rehashed product is released, with a tiny titbit of extra interest, we moan about it but we still buy it! |
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Post by pg on Dec 28, 2020 0:03:52 GMT
If they were going to put the tapes out, they'd have done so as the "top 100 bootlegs" Nah, that was never intended to be anything but a cash-in on existing things. One of them was a mislabelled copy of Montreal 81. Whoever gave the green light to that one was completely out to lunch.
Another was Hammersmith 75, before they had got it back from the BBC, making QPL technically a copyright infringer, I think...another was duplicated (may even have been Montreal) |
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Post by Makka on Dec 28, 2020 8:14:13 GMT
This will be exciting if it does get released. But I do enjoy Brian's interest in it. Hopefully he can show the same interest with some more unreleased live gems in the future.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Dec 28, 2020 8:36:21 GMT
the cynic in me subscribes to the almost certain outcome that this'll never happen. why?
♦ the "not for discussion" aspect of it appeared fake
♦ QPL are good at pr*ck-teasing with stuff that never happens - they have an almost 100% strike rate in this field.
♦ Brian's own "perfection OCD" would be unlikely to let this see the light of day
♦ there's no real money to be made from album releases these days
♦ this is just diversion chat to ensure fans' continue to remain in Queen's orbit until the Covid crisis ends - at which time, there'll be QAL tours to spend money on (the only key release during 2020, being QAL LATW)
i desperately want to be wrong about this, and would love nothing more, but too much in the way of "unfulfilled promise water" has flown under the QPL bridge.
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Post by Dimitris on Dec 28, 2020 9:56:43 GMT
I totally agree with you. The only way record companies and artists make money is from Touring and publishing.
If they want to boost further more the interesting of the public in unreleased, New and back catalogue material, in my opinion can be done by creating a Tour documentary and a studio documentary like Paul McCartney (even better).
Over the last years, I also started to believe that, the rumors about unreleased material was just to keep us in their orbit.
It is shame for a band with so much legacy not having use their stuff with quality. Their potential of their back catalogue and unreleased material is as big as The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Dec 28, 2020 10:28:16 GMT
It is shame for a band with so much legacy not having use their stuff with quality. Their potential of their back catalogue and unreleased material is as big as The Beatles and Pink Floyd. agreed 100%. the significant difference between Queen and their contemporaries is a complete lack of care/responsible administration of their archive. some examples ♦ the loss of master tapes of individual tracks from specific LPs ♦ an Archivist who spent so long on the job but still didn't know what live tapes they had - only declaring a handful of items that were already known by almost everyone who ever listened to Queen ♦ an organisation so incompetent that they actually "lost" a rare item loaned to them by a respected collector. the Beatles, Zep & Floyd's organisations have shown the duty of care to their recordings that one would expect to be the basic requirement of any important item. Queen? not so. |
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