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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 5, 2021 20:22:33 GMT
Well that certainly is a new tit bit. He confirmed its an imperial college gig and the reasons they dont like releasing old scraps. Maybe they will change their minds on anthology releases now... I'd venture to say it's one of the two 1971 shows - July 11 or October 6.
If it's not released before the 50th anniversary, the window to cash in on the copyright dump will pass. Many of the big bands are doing it now.
I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a press release in the next few months. I highly doubt Brian would be going out of his way to talk about it this many times if there wasn't a plan to release it.
If this happens, then perhaps we can expect a string of similar releases for years to come. QPL will not pass up on the coin, especially if they see the publishing revenues too.
What would be nice, would be a box set of this, and one other complete unreleased show from every year / tour, finishing with Knebworth. That's what I would call a proper 50th anniversary celebration! |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 5, 2021 20:28:43 GMT
I'd venture to say it's one of the two 1971 shows - July 11 or October 6.
If it's not released before the 50th anniversary, the window to cash in on the copyright dump will pass. Many of the big bands are doing it now.
I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a press release in the next few months. I highly doubt Brian would be going out of his way to talk about it this many times if there wasn't a plan to release it.
If this happens, then perhaps we can expect a string of similar releases for years to come. QPL will not pass up on the coin, especially if they see the publishing revenues too.
What would be nice, would be a box set of this, and one other complete unreleased show from every year / tour, finishing with Knebworth. That's what I would call a proper 50th anniversary celebration! There isn't much money to be made from a 1971 tape, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was just released as a digital download.
The Beatles tapes from Hamburg came out in 1968. It's about time Queen's equivalent came out, while enough people who still care are around to hear it.
This won't be a big cash cow. But hopefully the logic of "it's better to make a little something than nothing at all" will prevail.
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Post by littlequeenie97 on Feb 6, 2021 2:59:10 GMT
If this happens, then perhaps we can expect a string of similar releases for years to come. QPL will not want to pass up on the coin, especially if they see the publishing revenues God i really hope that happens! |
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Post by littlequeenie97 on Feb 6, 2021 3:03:07 GMT
Well that certainly is a new tit bit. He confirmed its an imperial college gig and the reasons they dont like releasing old scraps. Maybe they will change their minds on anthology releases now... I'd venture to say it's one of the two 1971 shows - July 11 or October 6.
If it's not released before the 50th anniversary, the window to cash in on the copyright dump will pass. Many of the big bands are doing it now.
I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a press release in the next few months. I highly doubt Brian would be going out of his way to talk about it this many times if there wasn't a plan to release it.
If this happens, then perhaps we can expect a string of similar releases for years to come. QPL will not want to pass up on the coin, especially if they see the publishing revenues too.
If hope it's from July 11, it was John's 2nd show as a Queen member, and it would be interesting to Hear the new group dynamic with john now on stage. |
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Post by Dimitris on Feb 7, 2021 9:25:19 GMT
The only serious factor for not releasing the concert is Freddie voice.
While the mistakes in music is something that, they don't bother (according the latest comments of Brian), Freddie vocals is something Brian, Roger want to "protect".
If I was in their position I would have thought it twice.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 7, 2021 9:49:19 GMT
The only serious factor for not releasing the concert is Freddie voice. While the mistakes in music is something that, they don't bother (according the latest comments of Brian), Freddie vocals is something Brian, Roger want to "protect". If I was in their position I would have thought it twice. It won't tarnish their legacy. They've released recordings from 1969, and Mercury's still apparently a legend.
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Post by Frank on Feb 7, 2021 13:50:04 GMT
The only serious factor for not releasing the concert is Freddie voice. While the mistakes in music is something that, they don't bother (according the latest comments of Brian), Freddie vocals is something Brian, Roger want to "protect". If I was in their position I would have thought it twice. It won't tarnish their legacy. They've released recordings from 1969, and Mercury's still apparently a legend.
Agreed. He had to develop at some point, and to hear him at such an early stage will make him more human. Nothing wrong with that. Brian had a point in a recent interview when he could imagine Freddie saying "we were just kids!" So there's that. I say release the damn thing. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 7, 2021 14:33:59 GMT
GH live album is somehow Rock Montreal and On Fire, the latter in 2004 had Easter egg where you could play the DVD/Blue Ray without HS songs. Actually that easter egg is a hoax which found its origin on Queenzone if i remember well  yep. hands up to that one - it was mine.  |
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Post by Jake12 on Feb 7, 2021 16:47:36 GMT
is this a audience tape or semi pro recording of the performance?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 7, 2021 16:53:32 GMT
is this a audience tape or semi pro recording of the performance? I don't think anyone knows yet, but I doubt they would be considering releasing an audience recording. Presumably it would be a soundboard tape. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 7, 2021 19:51:14 GMT
is this a audience tape or semi pro recording of the performance? I don't think anyone knows yet, but I doubt they would be considering releasing an audience recording. Presumably it would be a soundboard tape. They were a young, broke band. It was probably a single mic at front of house direct to cassette or open reel.
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Post by blackparadox on Feb 7, 2021 21:08:54 GMT
Wish they do the same as The Doors releasing one of their first concert "London Fog" and then with the 50th-anniversary release every album with different takes and one concert from each tour
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Post by Dimitris on Feb 8, 2021 8:29:21 GMT
I am starting to think that, they are going to release it, since it is been mentioned twice in press (Radio and classic rock magazine), they are starting creating the ground for the release.
Probably the historic significance of the concert the main reaso rather the potential sales.
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Feb 8, 2021 10:31:59 GMT
I don't think anyone knows yet, but I doubt they would be considering releasing an audience recording. Presumably it would be a soundboard tape. They were a young, broke band. It was probably a single mic at front of house direct to cassette or open reel.
Very likely, but I would not be too surprised if it were a two-mic-to-reel stereo thing. From what I've read, Brian and Roger's parents were pretty supportive of them from the start, and might well have sprung them some money/gear. And Brian has an undeniable eye/ear for detail. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 8, 2021 18:45:48 GMT
Its no doubt that brian recorded the show. He's a massive geek when it comes to things like this. I heard he has recoreded all the queen shows over the years. They epuld listen back to them after each gig tp pick up faults etc. That was as of 1975 or so, once they had the money to buy blank tape to record every night.
It was their front of house guy who was in charge of that operation, but as ThomasQuinn said Brian may well have assisted in the operation.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 8, 2021 18:52:51 GMT
Its no doubt that brian recorded the show. He's a massive geek when it comes to things like this. I heard he has recoreded all the queen shows over the years. They epuld listen back to them after each gig tp pick up faults etc. That was as of 1975 or so, once they had the money to buy blank tape to record every night. It was their front of house guy who was in charge of that operation, but as ThomasQuinn said Brian may well have assisted in the operation. yep. no matter how much of a perfectionist they may have been, there were no financial resources available for the luxury of professional recording of their gigs between 1970-73. They were (more or less) penniless until ANATO. I would venture that almost all of the professional-quality recordings prior to 75 would be radio station and tv station stuff and the Rainbow movie. |
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Post by rogercz on Feb 9, 2021 10:07:41 GMT
Its no doubt that brian recorded the show. He's a massive geek when it comes to things like this. I heard he has recoreded all the queen shows over the years. They epuld listen back to them after each gig tp pick up faults etc. Yes, we all heard about it and trust this information, but "record all shows" in Queen wordl sadly does not mean full soundboard recording. I heard from reliable source that the idea that they have all their 1975-86 shows recorded in releasable quality was just fan's whish. It more sort of lower level of quality just for their own use as described before. |
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Post by pg on Feb 9, 2021 17:03:32 GMT
Im sure they have soundboard recordings since from they were able to afford doing it. Brian alone is such a perfectionist that he would have used decent equipment to listen back to his performance. Also, maybe they have had the equipment since 74 and the mysterious fairy fellers masterstroke live came from one such tape. Zero proof. While I agree that from the '73 Mott tour onwards, they probably had the facility to record each show, and there have been quotes to the effect that they listened back to some, there is no evidence that they then KEPT those tapes. There's as much chance that they recorded over last night's show having listened to it back...every night. So maybe there'd be a show left for when they changed to a new cassette....in which case you have to hope that someone (Trip?) kept THOSE. |
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Post by vh on Feb 9, 2021 21:33:46 GMT
Im sure they have soundboard recordings since from they were able to afford doing it. Brian alone is such a perfectionist that he would have used decent equipment to listen back to his performance. Also, maybe they have had the equipment since 74 and the mysterious fairy fellers masterstroke live came from one such tape. Zero proof. While I agree that from the '73 Mott tour onwards, they probably had the facility to record each show, and there have been quotes to the effect that they listened back to some, there is no evidence that they then KEPT those tapes. There's as much chance that they recorded over last night's show having listened to it back...every night. So maybe there'd be a show left for when they changed to a new cassette....in which case you have to hope that someone (Trip?) kept THOSE. I think the guy who may have some old recordings would be John Harris, their original sound guy. Trip was hired in 78 when Harris was taken ill. The earlier period when money was short I would imagine that they recorded live shows to cassette, but how well would they have survived in a playable condition. If they recorded on reel to reel I doubt that budgeting would have allowed for a huge stock of tape reels. If a huge archive does sit in storage I'd imagine that it's on cassette having been transferred from the original reel if a show was thought to be worth saving. |
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Post by rogercz on Feb 10, 2021 7:45:21 GMT
Zero proof. While I agree that from the '73 Mott tour onwards, they probably had the facility to record each show, and there have been quotes to the effect that they listened back to some, there is no evidence that they then KEPT those tapes. There's as much chance that they recorded over last night's show having listened to it back...every night. So maybe there'd be a show left for when they changed to a new cassette....in which case you have to hope that someone (Trip?) kept THOSE. I think the guy who may have some old recordings would be John Harris, their original sound guy. Trip was hired in 78 when Harris was taken ill. The earlier period when money was short I would imagine that they recorded live shows to cassette, but how well would they have survived in a playable condition. If they recorded on reel to reel I doubt that budgeting would have allowed for a huge stock of tape reels. If a huge archive does sit in storage I'd imagine that it's on cassette having been transferred from the original reel if a show was thought to be worth saving. Sadly, Queen's archive is in poor condition, which said me a friend who was trading some stuff with band's archivist for planned anniversary book. Missing multitracks, missing tapes or their parts from concerts (Budapest) and not so many live concerts in good quality, which is a disappointment. I used to believe that they can release whatever they want from late 70's and whole 80's but this is not possible. The quality is just for their own purposes (checking the performance after the gig and analysing it). |
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Post by jonnyd1 on Feb 11, 2021 6:05:11 GMT
Does anyone know what tracks they played during this time?
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Post by pg on Feb 11, 2021 8:40:57 GMT
Does anyone know what tracks they played during this time? Liar Stone cold crazy See what a fool I've been Keep yourself alive Son and daughter Jailhouse rock |
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Post by rogercz on Feb 11, 2021 12:47:31 GMT
Does anyone know what tracks they played during this time? Liar Stone cold crazy See what a fool I've been Keep yourself alive Son and daughter Jailhouse rock Perfect page for this is Queenconcerts - on the early days, nothing is confirmed, maybe some Smile stuff and covers were played also. And also tha Hangman. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 11, 2021 21:20:55 GMT
Its no doubt that brian recorded the show. He's a massive geek when it comes to things like this. I heard he has recoreded all the queen shows over the years. They epuld listen back to them after each gig tp pick up faults etc. Yes, we all heard about it and trust this information, but "record all shows" in Queen wordl sadly does not mean full soundboard recording. I heard from reliable source that the idea that they have all their 1975-86 shows recorded in releasable quality was just fan's whish. It more sort of lower level of quality just for their own use as described before. Correct - it would've just been a raw stereo (at best) auxiliary feed. These recordings were just for reference, to listen to parts of the show in the limo on the way back to the hotel to critique the performance.
As pg pointed out, plenty of them were almost certainly taped over the next night. There was never any intention to release them at all. The fact that Sleeping on the Sidewalk from the Boston '77 show came out on a box set 40 years later was completely inconceivable then.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Feb 11, 2021 21:32:36 GMT
Im sure they have soundboard recordings since from they were able to afford doing it. Brian alone is such a perfectionist that he would have used decent equipment to listen back to his performance. Also, maybe they have had the equipment since 74 and the mysterious fairy fellers masterstroke live came from one such tape. It's not a matter of perfectionism. It's a matter of cost and effort.
That Rainbow show was properly recorded on 24-track tape. Such an operation was costly and not something they did every night even when they were wealthy, never mind in 1974 when they were broke. The cabling is complicated and time consuming as each mic and DI box would have to be sent to an additional snake fed out to the recording truck (usually outside the venue), and additional line checks would have to be done to ensure everything was working. Those 1974 shows were recorded only because Trident wanted to do a live album and a film, and they financed the recording operations (outside people were hired to do it, as the crew were busy enough with their usual duties).
Apart from the Live Killers tour Queen did a proper 24-track recording a handful of times - a couple dozen or so. Besides the usual shows that have been released and seen in documentaries, apparently the only additional ones they properly recorded are Mannheim, Slane, Newcastle, and Manchester '86.
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Post by Dimitris on Feb 12, 2021 9:36:51 GMT
Im sure they have soundboard recordings since from they were able to afford doing it. Brian alone is such a perfectionist that he would have used decent equipment to listen back to his performance. Also, maybe they have had the equipment since 74 and the mysterious fairy fellers masterstroke live came from one such tape. It's not a matter of perfectionism. It's a matter of cost and effort.
That Rainbow show was properly recorded on 24-track tape. Such an operation was costly and not something they did every night even when they were wealthy, never mind in 1974 when they were broke. The cabling is complicated and time consuming as each mic and DI box would have to be sent to an additional snake fed out to the recording truck (usually outside the venue), and additional line checks would have to be done to ensure everything was working. Those 1974 shows were recorded only because Trident wanted to do a live album and a film, and they financed the recording operations (outside people were hired to do it, as the crew were busy enough with their usual duties).
Apart from the Live Killers tour Queen did a proper 24-track recording a handful of times - a couple dozen or so. Besides the usual shows that have been released and seen in documentaries, apparently the only additional ones they properly recorded are Mannheim, Slane, Newcastle, and Manchester '86.
I will like to add Rio 1985 and their last concert. I wish for any concert from 1975 Hammersmith or whatever from Nov 1975, NOTW and early 1984. |
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Post by dave76 on Feb 12, 2021 14:00:23 GMT
I hope it happens but let's face it people. Touring and even recording with Adam Lambert is all they think about these days. Press releases and other info confirms it.
I would kill for an early Queen gig to be released and although Brian confirmed he found one of them i don't expect a release.
What concerns me the most is that Roger don't like to look back on their career and some people even think they will pass on this 50th anniversary milestone. I for one would not be surprised.
But hey, the year is still young and since they can't tour maybe, just maybe we will get something special.
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Post by Frank on Feb 12, 2021 14:22:28 GMT
I hope it happens but let's face it people. Touring and even recording with Adam Lambert is all they think about these days. Press releases and other info confirms it. I would kill for an early Queen gig to be released and although Brian confirmed he found one of them i don't expect a release. What concerns me the most is that Roger don't like to look back on their career and some people even think they will pass on this 50th anniversary milestone. I for one would not be surprised. But hey, the year is still young and since they can't tour maybe, just maybe we will get something special. I hear you. And I'm not even against Q+AL being active right now. I just think it's a crying shame Bri and Rog don't want to celebrate their 50th anniversary. It doesn't make sense. Their 40th was celebrated with a remastering of 15 studio albums with a few goodies (frustrating there wasn't more). Surely their 50th deserves more than what they're giving us right now. And frankly, releasing this one concert wouldn't be sufficient. Give us the damn Miracle box set at least. |
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Post by peacelovingguy on Feb 12, 2021 15:28:25 GMT
It doesn’t make much sense to me that this would be released on its own. It’s going to be of dubious technical quality and presumably less than stellar performance quality. Surely it will be released with at least one other product, presumably another concert.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Feb 12, 2021 17:01:18 GMT
It doesn’t make much sense to me that this would be released on its own. It’s going to be of dubious technical quality and presumably less than stellar performance quality. Surely it will be released with at least one other product, presumably another concert. Queen I 50th Anniversary? |
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