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Post by ShaneJazz on Oct 12, 2021 18:53:04 GMT
Since I won't be receiving the album until my birthday in November, is there any way anyone can share what the album credits list in terms of outside musicians? (I know Rog said he performed about 96% of all instrumentation) Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!
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Post by jeroeng on Oct 12, 2021 21:48:28 GMT
Since I won't be receiving the album until my birthday in November, is there any way anyone can share what the album credits list in terms of outside musicians? (I know Rog said he performed about 96% of all instrumentation) Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks guys! Just check www.discogs.comI just added the credits there today on the cd, cassette and vinyl versions.
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Post by ShaneJazz on Oct 12, 2021 21:56:25 GMT
Since I won't be receiving the album until my birthday in November, is there any way anyone can share what the album credits list in terms of outside musicians? (I know Rog said he performed about 96% of all instrumentation) Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks guys! Just check www.discogs.comI just added the credits there today on the cd, cassette and vinyl versions. Thank you so very much!
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Post by florians on Oct 15, 2021 18:16:37 GMT
If Roger can hit #3 Queen + AL would have good chances to hit #1 with a new album. Maybe the possibility to add another #1 album to their legacy, with seems to be so important to them, will encourage them to record together...
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Post by Dimitris on Oct 15, 2021 18:34:10 GMT
If Roger can hit #3 Queen + AL would have good chances to hit #1 with a new album. Maybe the possibility to add another #1 album to their legacy, with seems to be so important to them, will encourage them to record together... Outsider is out of top 100. Just a good fist week like Brian's BTTL reissue. Sales now are very front in the 1st week. I can imagine, if an original archive studio release will come out, the chart position and chart run will be real success. About Q+Adam.... 2-3 weeks on top 10 1 week in top 40 and then bye... Just like Iron maiden... release an album when the sales and competition is low. Then promote it as success.
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Post by Steve on Oct 15, 2021 19:15:06 GMT
If Roger can hit #3 Queen + AL would have good chances to hit #1 with a new album. Maybe the possibility to add another #1 album to their legacy, with seems to be so important to them, will encourage them to record together... Outsider is out of top 100. Just a good fist week like Brian's BTTL reissue. Sales now are very front in the 1st week. I can imagine, if an original archive studio release will come out, the chart position and chart run will be real success. About Q+Adam.... 2-3 weeks on top 10 1 week in top 40 and then bye... Just like Iron maiden... release an album when the sales and competition is low. Then promote it as success. Very positive outlook there!
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Post by florians on Oct 15, 2021 20:28:25 GMT
If Roger can hit #3 Queen + AL would have good chances to hit #1 with a new album. Maybe the possibility to add another #1 album to their legacy, with seems to be so important to them, will encourage them to record together... Outsider is out of top 100. Just a good fist week like Brian's BTTL reissue. Sales now are very front in the 1st week. I can imagine, if an original archive studio release will come out, the chart position and chart run will be real success. About Q+Adam.... 2-3 weeks on top 10 1 week in top 40 and then bye... Just like Iron maiden... release an album when the sales and competition is low. Then promote it as success. I doubt, that any archival release will chart well. I was not talking about SALES or weeks on charts, just about Brian May and Roger Taylor adding another number 1 to their holy legacy.
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Post by Dimitris on Oct 15, 2021 21:55:40 GMT
Outsider is out of top 100. Just a good fist week like Brian's BTTL reissue. Sales now are very front in the 1st week. I can imagine, if an original archive studio release will come out, the chart position and chart run will be real success. About Q+Adam.... 2-3 weeks on top 10 1 week in top 40 and then bye... Just like Iron maiden... release an album when the sales and competition is low. Then promote it as success. I doubt, that any archival release will chart well. I was not talking about SALES or weeks on charts, just about Brian May and Roger Taylor adding another number 1 to their holy legacy. A number 1 position means sales, also the chart run is very important, means popularity and sales. It is ridiculous how many artist and bands have a good chart position first week and then disappear. What is worth a number one 1 with a total chart run 1-4 weeks not even getting gold? Queen had many number one albums with original line up, when sales and competition were huge. However their legacy is their music and it was created long time ago.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 16, 2021 10:08:54 GMT
What is worth a number one 1 with a total chart run 1-4 weeks not even getting gold? Queen had many number one albums with original line up, when sales and competition were huge. However their legacy is their music and it was created long time ago. agreed 100%. another #1 LP means nothing. something that is "here today, gone tomorrow" adds absolutely nothing whatsoever to their legacy. these days, unless we're talking about a handful of artists; Adele, Sheeran, Rihanna - LPs come and go, blink and you miss them. decades ago a top 3 LP would guarantee really good sales. i'd suggest that 2021's peak #3 position for Outsider yielded a lot less actual sales than 1981's #18 position Fun In space. the legacy was cemented. before Bo Rhap movie, before QAL, before QPR, long, long ago. the last true addition to the legacy was the Made In Heaven LP - a perfectly fitting coda.
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Post by florians on Oct 16, 2021 15:35:17 GMT
What is worth a number one 1 with a total chart run 1-4 weeks not even getting gold? Queen had many number one albums with original line up, when sales and competition were huge. However their legacy is their music and it was created long time ago. agreed 100%. another #1 LP means nothing. something that is "here today, gone tomorrow" adds absolutely nothing whatsoever to their legacy. these days, unless we're talking about a handful of artists; Adele, Sheeran, Rihanna - LPs come and go, blink and you miss them. decades ago a top 3 LP would guarantee really good sales. i'd suggest that 2021's peak #3 position for Outsider yielded a lot less actual sales than 1981's #18 position Fun In space. the legacy was cemented. before Bo Rhap movie, before QAL, before QPR, long, long ago. the last true addition to the legacy was the Made In Heaven LP - a perfectly fitting coda. I was not talking about their "true" legacy, but of what they consider today, where Milton Keynes was a "legendary show", WWTLF a "superhit song" and where they celebrated the #1 spot for live around the world. My point was, that they seem to be pretty keen still "work" on that - and a lot of fans seem to buy these stories. Perhaps I should have said trophy collection instead of legacy.
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Post by Chopin1995 on Oct 16, 2021 18:37:32 GMT
It only took me one listening to determine this album as my favourite from Roger's solo output. I think this is a well-thought-out and coherent piece of work. I love Absolutely Anything, and in my estimation Journey's End is the best Queen-related piece of music created during my lifetime, and it works wonderful as an album closer.
Well done and congrats to Roger.
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Post by angusscrimm on Oct 18, 2021 0:00:41 GMT
I said I wasn't excited. Then the date came. I bought it on vinyl and CD, and absolutely love it. In fact, it's sparked my interest in his other albums, which have been gathering dust on my shelf for years.
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Post by Dimitris on Oct 18, 2021 10:38:39 GMT
agreed 100%. another #1 LP means nothing. something that is "here today, gone tomorrow" adds absolutely nothing whatsoever to their legacy. these days, unless we're talking about a handful of artists; Adele, Sheeran, Rihanna - LPs come and go, blink and you miss them. decades ago a top 3 LP would guarantee really good sales. i'd suggest that 2021's peak #3 position for Outsider yielded a lot less actual sales than 1981's #18 position Fun In space. the legacy was cemented. before Bo Rhap movie, before QAL, before QPR, long, long ago. the last true addition to the legacy was the Made In Heaven LP - a perfectly fitting coda. I was not talking about their "true" legacy, but of what they consider today, where Milton Keynes was a "legendary show", WWTLF a "superhit song" and where they celebrated the #1 spot for live around the world. My point was, that they seem to be pretty keen still "work" on that - and a lot of fans seem to buy these stories. Perhaps I should have said trophy collection instead of legacy. Record companies will always tell stories is their marketing. Milton was a beautiful concert, when then band saw the video liked the director's work, so it has something special for them. Who wants to live for ever may not charted well in 1986, but due to downloads and streaming it went platinum or gold. It very easy for them to have another number one album, even with a live or solo album, the latter with little more promotion. Abba with over 40000 pre-sales already have n#1, the past July Queen's GH lost the top spot for about 236 copies, if their record company had traced the sales, Queen GH would have hit the spot. If any album is going to be released in 5000 bundle counting as triple = 15000 copies, then another 10000 or 15000 could be generated from downloads, physical sales and streaming. When the miracle came out, it sold in its first week about 1m in whole Europe, then Innuendo sold about over 200k in UK and 1,6m in rest Europe. If on fire was counted like Live around the word, maybe it would have entered at top 5 in 2004. But it was counted separately cd, vinyl with DVD sales. Cosmos rocks sold about 44000 copies first week, while absute greatest 80000. Live around the world sold 25000 I really like Queen to release quality and interesting products. They are welcome despite the chart success, as their history is already written.
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Post by georg on Oct 21, 2021 14:21:24 GMT
I listened to the album on release date, and while I thought it was enjoyable, I was a little... put off, maybe? at the inclusion of so much material we already had: half of the songs had already been released or available in some form or another since 2015, so my enthusiasm was a little muted.
But then, one day I randomly got The Clapping Song in my head, and I went out for a walk around my neighborhood and listened to the album in full, free of distractions (apart from the nice day), and I've been listening to it since. For me it's not Roger's BEST album (I still think Fun In Space deserves that honor) but the songs work so well together, the production is so sparkling – seriously, when you hear the drums, you know exactly who it is – and Roger sounds great. The running order also has a natural flow to it, so even though I've heard six of these songs already, when in context with the other six songs the album really works well as a piece.
There aren't too many cringe-inducing lyrics, and the "telephone effect" he loves to use is restricted only to The Clapping Song (I wonder why he didn't perform this one on his tour, seems like it would've been a natural), so I really don't have any complaints. One thing I noticed is that songs like More Kicks and Absolutely Anything have long, extended instrumental second halves, which may work better live, but gets a little endless on record.
Some things I noticed is that Roger likes to recycle melodies, or maybe it's my imagination: when I hear the guitar intro to More Kicks, I hear One Night Stand; when I hear Gangsters (purple version), I hear the guitar riff and drum intro to Warboys; and I think I heard maybe Touch the Sky or Revelations in another song, but I'm not 100% sure. All the same, it's hardly a detriment, and again I may just be imagining things, but just something I noticed and actually liked – why NOT reference your past songs?
Overall, this is a great album, and I'm surprised at how often I Know I Know I Know gets stuck in my head. I hope it's not his swan song, especially considering the rave reviews his solo tour has gotten, but if it is, what a way to go out.
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Post by macduff77 on Oct 21, 2021 17:14:03 GMT
It’s a fantastic album that after a few listenings kinda buries itself in you; an album that creeps up and surprises you in the end. Even though I knew half a dozen songs going in and was a little underwhelmed with the first single, all the songs fit together and flow perfectly within the album.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Oct 21, 2021 17:51:56 GMT
It’s a fantastic album that after a few listenings kinda buries itself in you; an album that creeps up and surprises you in the end. Even though I knew half a dozen songs going in and was a little underwhelmed with the first single, all the songs fit together and flow perfectly within the album. it's certainly a cohesive piece of work. i like the calm, reflective approach of many of the songs - the angry young man stuff has been ditched for a more grown up lyric. for me, it's still growing on me - but then, i've always had a soft spot for the singer/songwriter stuff. this sits nicely behind those first two solo LPs - which (for me, anyway) were what those 80s Queen LPs could've been - but disappointingly were not.
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Post by macduff77 on Oct 28, 2021 15:09:03 GMT
I finally got my Japanese copy of Outsider with the bonus tracks and I must say, they are excellent. As someone mentioned above, I like the remix of Surrender better than the original. And the new mix of London Town - C'mon Down works really well too. I'm usually wary of remixes done by outsiders of the band, but Filippo Cimatti did a great job.
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Post by Frank on Oct 30, 2021 11:36:45 GMT
I've yet to say anything about the album. But now that it's been a month, I must say it's easily become my favorite of his solo work. Like others, I was skeptical that about half of the album would be older songs, but that skepticism left as soon as I experienced the sleek transition from tune to tune. The album flows incredibly well. So well that the album is over and I'm hungry for another listen. I've lost count to be honest!
There's a lot of reflection and mellow vibes on the album, yet it still rocks as Roger can only do. The lyrics are generally quite good with the obvious exception (I'm looking at you "fishes and crustaceans"!). But in the end it's an honest album with some fabulous moments. Tides and Journey's End make a perfect pair to open and close the album. The title track Outsider is refreshing from the start of the organ and then that country/folk vibe kicking in...it's just sublime. And then you've got More Kicks and Gangsters (Purple Version) that stand strong along side other rockers like Airheads.
My only gripe would be that More Kicks sounds too much like One Night Stand. But at least it goes some place else, even if it is just the blues. And I've heard it goes over extremely well live.
All in all it's (for me) Roger's strongest solo effort. I'll be listening to it with a smile on my face for years to come.
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Post by nico on Oct 30, 2021 12:25:54 GMT
I share your enthusiasm about this album, its mood, the way it flows, and the general quality of the songs. And just like you, I wasn't expecting it would be so great.
I wonder why Outsider works so much better as an album than Fun On Earth. Looking back, FOE does have many strong moments -- in fact, I daresay most of the songs on FOE ('One night stand', 'Sunny day', 'Smile', 'Up', 'Small'... to namme just a few) were individually stronger than tracks such as 'I know, i know, i know', 'Gangsters...' or 'Trying to Get By'. However, something just didn't seem quite right. Was it the inclusion of some numbers ('Fight club', 'Quality street', 'Be my gal') that IMHO felt unfinished/demo-like ? Was it the disappointment with the abbridged (butchered) version of 'Unblinkibg eye'? Was it the overall production ? Or the impression that it was just a collection of disconnected songs?
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Post by badboybez on Oct 30, 2021 21:06:50 GMT
The Japanese bonus tracks are (cough cough nudge nudge wink wink) listenable on YouTube - look for Queen Argentina and their playlist.
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Post by pg on Oct 30, 2021 22:29:08 GMT
Thanks. Listened to them. All the way through.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Oct 30, 2021 22:56:15 GMT
I share your enthusiasm about this album, its mood, the way it flows, and the general quality of the songs. And just like you, I wasn't expecting it would be so great. I wonder why Outsider works so much better as an album than Fun On Earth. Looking back, FOE does have many strong moments -- in fact, I daresay most of the songs on FOE ('One night stand', 'Sunny day', 'Smile', 'Up', 'Small'... to namme just a few) were individually stronger than tracks such as 'I know, i know, i know', 'Gangsters...' or 'Trying to Get By'. However, something just didn't seem quite right. Was it the inclusion of some numbers ('Fight club', 'Quality street', 'Be my gal') that IMHO felt unfinished/demo-like ? Was it the disappointment with the abbridged (butchered) version of 'Unblinkibg eye'? Was it the overall production ? Or the impression that it was just a collection of disconnected songs? Pretty much my opinion! The whole of it. Roger did mention in interviews back then that FOE was an eclectic album, although he liked all the songs. It hardly matters really, but 'Outsider' is more consistent indeed.
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Post by Vali on Nov 3, 2021 10:01:34 GMT
The Japanese bonus tracks are (cough cough nudge nudge wink wink) listenable on … Many tks for that! Really enjoyed these new remixes. A reminder of why I never get tired of Electric Fire!
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Post by hitman on Dec 5, 2021 23:34:28 GMT
I finally got my Japanese copy of Outsider with the bonus tracks and I must say, they are excellent. As someone mentioned above, I like the remix of Surrender better than the original. And the new mix of London Town - C'mon Down works really well too. I'm usually wary of remixes done by outsiders of the band, but Filippo Cimatti did a great job. I found the bonus tracks on the Ytube and yes, you're right! This two remixes are great! I love them as much as the originals, if not more. Same as you, i'm always "meh" with remixes. Roger has many remixes of his previous hits, few of them worth a mention. This two bonuses to outsider were very well conceived and realized. "Surrender" has a brand new feeling with the "new" rhythm (and lyrics were well inspired back then). London Town -C'mon Down has a more powerful sound. I can't get where the new "speech" in the mid section comes from, but it fits. They should be included on spotify!
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Post by snakecharmer on Dec 6, 2021 12:15:55 GMT
The trouble with doing a album and doing virtually everything yourself is there is nobody to bounce any ideas off and get some constructive feedback. Outsider is not a bad album ,but it's not a great album either. Fun In Space and Strange Frontier are Roger's best solo albums in my opinion , when Fun In Space was released I played that album to death. I think I have played Outsider about six times.
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Post by Steve on Dec 6, 2021 17:09:01 GMT
For me, I love it, but Electric Fire is still my number 1 Roger album.
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Post by nico on Dec 6, 2021 20:58:53 GMT
For me, I love it, but Electric Fire is still my number 1 Roger album. Same here! But 'Journey's end' has become my favorite song of his.
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Post by primejiveusa on Dec 7, 2021 0:12:04 GMT
The trouble with doing a album and doing virtually everything yourself is there is nobody to bounce any ideas off and get some constructive feedback. Outsider is not a bad album ,but it's not a great album either. Fun In Space and Strange Frontier are Roger's best solo albums in my opinion , when Fun In Space was released I played that album to death. I think I have played Outsider about six times. I agree that Fun in Space and Strange Frontier are his two best. I do like Outsider much more than I expected to, however.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 7, 2021 0:17:33 GMT
The trouble with doing a album and doing virtually everything yourself is there is nobody to bounce any ideas off and get some constructive feedback. Outsider is not a bad album ,but it's not a great album either. Fun In Space and Strange Frontier are Roger's best solo albums in my opinion , when Fun In Space was released I played that album to death. I think I have played Outsider about six times. I agree that Fun in Space and Strange Frontier are his two best. I do like Outsider much more than I expected to, however. For a guy who didn't need to make an album, I think Outsider is a bloody good effort, and despite half the tracks being previously released, it has a really nice flow to it. For him to do a tour as well, rather than just sitting on his arse, is the sign of a musician who still loves being a musician, in my opinion, as I doubt he needed to do it for the money.
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