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Post by leighburne on Jun 2, 2023 18:25:23 GMT
Interesting that this is all new mixes, and the old mixes are just being ignored and quietly forgotten. Unlike BTTL or AW which were just remasters. Especially given how he said the original mixes would be on there! (Although Brian contradicting himself like that is hardly new!)
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Post by waywardgenius on Jun 2, 2023 18:27:11 GMT
I bought it. $53.36 USD total with the cheapest shipping (FedEx) costing more than the CDs. I rationalize the purchase by remembering that I used to pay up to $30 per bootleg CD ($60 for double live CD) about 20 years ago. It also helps to know that the record label "suits" won't be profiting from the shipping costs (so I will feel less like an ATM buffoon), and that I am paying less than half the price of than the box set (and not buying useless vinyl). Of course, there is the negative that I am contributing to global warming by producing jet "smog" ... but I have no conscience. LOL I wonder why regular airmail isn't available? Surely it's not still because of the pandemic? Yeah, it's very odd that airmail still isn't available for UK customers. Japan Post has reinstated it for many countries, but the UK is not one of them. Bizarre...
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Post by pg on Jun 2, 2023 18:48:42 GMT
… (I’ve got Star Fleet beat by three months or so, though!) Based on recording date or release date?
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Post by Chinwonder2 on Jun 2, 2023 19:31:29 GMT
Dunno - I'm too dumb or deaf to notice ... There's definitely pitch correction on the lead vocal now, from the word go. There's possibly pitch-correction, but there's definitely a flanger like effect on his vocals. I kinda like it to be hoenst, the vocals were very flat and dry in the old mix. -Chin
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Post by merplot on Jun 2, 2023 20:03:48 GMT
There's definitely pitch correction on the lead vocal now, from the word go. He didn't record an new vocal, did he? I can't hear whether it's autotuned or not, but it sounds the same as the old vocal to me. It may not be full-on autotune, but it's been smoothed over with something. "Water" from The Miracle boxset was as well. Sigh. I'd like to think that Sir Bri of all people would understand how the soul of the music gets crushed with that type of stuff, but I guess I'm wrong.
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Post by georg on Jun 2, 2023 20:07:35 GMT
… (I’ve got Star Fleet beat by three months or so, though!) Based on recording date or release date? Release date, though thinking about it now, I fall firmly between both.
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Post by georg on Jun 2, 2023 20:10:37 GMT
I’m disappointed he de-Mack-ified the drums. There was something charming about the snappy gated reverb, especially on Star Fleet, but now they sound like real drums and it’s throwing me for a loop, so used am I to the original.
I feel like maybe the intro guitar might have been updated, but everything else sounds similar to the original, but better (except the drums).
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Post by historicman on Jun 2, 2023 20:18:07 GMT
Incidentally, those live tracks are from the Palace Theater in L.A. - is that not the same gig that produced the live B-side version of “Too Much Love Will Kill You”?
It'd be interesting, cause it seems like we didn't know before that Brian performed Let Me Out at this gig. It was thought that the available soundboard is complete, minus some bits between songs and it seems now it isn't.
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Post by David Jones on Jun 2, 2023 20:57:44 GMT
Wow, stupid me preordered the QOL limited boxset without hearing anything. I was already a bit miffed there was no BHM signed version or inclusion of the original mixes. And I always hate paying for these boxsets with vinyls that I’ll never play, in my view (to quote Tommy Pischedda) “it’s a fad!”.
Just listened to the new single version, what has Brian done?! Mix is all to cock, vocal autotuned, where’s Roger, such a hard listen when I’m so used to the original. Strongly considering cancelling my order and sticking with my Back To The Light singles. Surely a CD of outtakes isn’t worth it?
I know you can’t please everyone with these re-releases, but we are straying in to dangerous territory now with this remix shit. Am I getting old or is Brian just a tosser?….
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Post by cmi on Jun 2, 2023 21:05:45 GMT
Wow, stupid me preordered the QOL limited boxset without hearing anything. I was already a bit miffed there was no BHM signed version or inclusion of the original mixes. And I always hate paying for these boxsets with vinyls that I’ll never play, in my view (to quote Tommy Pischedda) “it’s a fad!”. Just listened to the new single version, what has Brian done?! Mix is all to cock, vocal autotuned, where’s Roger, such a hard listen when I’m so used to the original. Strongly considering cancelling my order and sticking with my Back To The Light singles. Surely a CD of outtakes isn’t worth it? I know you can’t please everyone with these re-releases, but we are straying in to dangerous territory now with this remix shit. Am I getting old or is Brian just a tosser?…. Yes , you're getting old...
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 2, 2023 21:38:52 GMT
how many times would one want to hear 11 versions of Star Fleet? Plenty of people. There's over an hour of Strawberry Fields Forever out there, and it's utterly fascinating to listen to the evolution of the song, take by take. Maybe not in one sitting, but this is what a lot of people want to hear. After years of people griping about box sets not being comprehensive enough, this is pretty comprehensive. This is precisely what they should do for the early Queen albums, not the frankenstening they did on the NOTW and Miracle boxes (as good as much of that was). Van Halen fans should rightfully be flipping out right now over getting to hear another hour of Ed's playing.
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Post by deathtoming on Jun 2, 2023 21:50:34 GMT
I bought it. $53.36 USD total with the cheapest shipping (FedEx) costing more than the CDs. I wonder why regular airmail isn't available? Surely it's not still because of the pandemic? Japan's flight activity in December 2022 was only roughly 50% of December 2019's volume. I know it's been a few months since then, but it's not expected to reach pre-pandemic levels until 2024.
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Post by Arnaldo Ogre- on Jun 2, 2023 21:57:02 GMT
He didn't record an new vocal, did he? I can't hear whether it's autotuned or not, but it sounds the same as the old vocal to me. It may not be full-on autotune, but it's been smoothed over with something. "Water" from The Miracle boxset was as well. Sigh. I'd like to think that Sir Bri of all people would understand how the soul of the music gets crushed with that type of stuff, but I guess I'm wrong. I hear a little difference throughout, but the word "always" at 1min02s (Spotify) seems different to me. Unfortunately I don't have my original copy handy to compare, so that is just from memory. Cheers, Ogre-
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 2, 2023 21:59:35 GMT
I wonder why regular airmail isn't available? Surely it's not still because of the pandemic? Japan's flight activity in December 2022 was only roughly 50% of December 2019's volume. I know it's been a few months since then, but it's not expected to reach pre-pandemic levels until 2024. Hopefully in time for the Brixton box set then. 😄
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Post by august on Jun 3, 2023 8:55:48 GMT
how many times would one want to hear 11 versions of Star Fleet? Plenty of people. There's over an hour of Strawberry Fields Forever out there, and it's utterly fascinating to listen to the evolution of the song, take by take. Maybe not in one sitting, but this is what a lot of people want to hear. After years of people griping about box sets not being comprehensive enough, this is pretty comprehensive. This is precisely what they should do for the early Queen albums, not the frankenstening they did on the NOTW and Miracle boxes (as good as much of that was). Van Halen fans should rightfully be flipping out right now over getting to hear another hour of Ed's playing. Yeah, but Strawberry Fields Forever is a masterpiece, and a pure classic while Star Fleet is... well, not.
Having said that, yeah, it would be great if they'd do this for some Queen classics. I think the only Queen song with at least somewhat recorded (and released) evolutional history is A Kind of Magic, (A Kind Of Vision -> The Movie Version - The Final version). And that is far from being a complete take by take evolution of a song, though one can hear ideas being developed.
So, I kinda hope that Brian gets good feedback from Star Fleet out-takes and pushes to do the same for some Queen classics. One can hope...
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Post by leighburne on Jun 3, 2023 9:17:48 GMT
Having said that, yeah, it would be great if they'd do this for some Queen classics. I think the only Queen song with at least somewhat recorded (and released) evolutional history is A Kind of Magic, (A Kind Of Vision -> The Movie Version - The Final version). And that is far from being a complete take by take evolution of a song, though one can hear ideas being developed. Off-topic, but Whitesnake’s recent album reissue box sets have generally included an “evolutions” disc where each track is compiled from progressively more complete demos, so at the start the song’s just a rough early recording but by the end you’ve arrived at almost the finished item. I’ve never across anything quite like that before and it makes for a really interesting listen! Would love to hear something similar for Queen, even if that’s almost certainly wishful thinking.
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Post by bootLuca on Jun 3, 2023 9:28:22 GMT
I've ordered it from CD Japan: www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UICY-16166Unfortunately regular air mail shipping is unavailable so had to pay for it to come via DHL. Total cost (excluding any potential further charges): £37.63. It must be something related to your country, because I was able to choose it from Italy
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 3, 2023 9:42:12 GMT
I've ordered it from CD Japan: www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UICY-16166Unfortunately regular air mail shipping is unavailable so had to pay for it to come via DHL. Total cost (excluding any potential further charges): £37.63. It must be something related to your country, because I was able to choose it from Italy Yeah, someone said earlier it's something to do with me being in the UK.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jun 3, 2023 10:03:03 GMT
Wow, stupid me preordered the QOL limited boxset without hearing anything. I was already a bit miffed there was no BHM signed version or inclusion of the original mixes. And I always hate paying for these boxsets with vinyls that I’ll never play, in my view (to quote Tommy Pischedda) “it’s a fad!”. Just listened to the new single version, what has Brian done?! Mix is all to cock, vocal autotuned, where’s Roger, such a hard listen when I’m so used to the original. Strongly considering cancelling my order and sticking with my Back To The Light singles. Surely a CD of outtakes isn’t worth it? I know you can’t please everyone with these re-releases, but we are straying in to dangerous territory now with this remix shit. Am I getting old or is Brian just a tosser?…. I'm surprised the original mixes weren't included too. Never mind. I'm sure CMI will get round to remastering them himself soon enough.... I don't mind it being remixed. Frankly i wish they'd remixed BTTL and AW as well, though let's be clear, I'd still expect a remaster of the original too! Again I'll say this: If Giles Martin can remix a Beatles album in stereo AND in surround sound too, do a remaster of said album, provide 2-3 discs of outtakes and produce a book (a flipping BOOK full of details on every song and more, not a 16 page pamphlet!) and all for near as damn it the same price as Brian and Queen boxsets, then why can't QPL/Brian do the same? Even the John Lennon boxsets have this level of work put into them. And don't give me the "Beatles will sell more copies than Queen" crap. Once again it boils down to Queen's motto "Least work, most profit".
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jun 3, 2023 10:07:38 GMT
Japan's flight activity in December 2022 was only roughly 50% of December 2019's volume. I know it's been a few months since then, but it's not expected to reach pre-pandemic levels until 2024. Hopefully in time for the Brixton box set then. 😄 I've had stuff sent from Japan in the last 12 months by regular airmail that took a week.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 3, 2023 10:15:13 GMT
Hopefully in time for the Brixton box set then. 😄 I've had stuff sent from Japan in the last 12 months by regular airmail that took a week. From CD Japan? That option certainly wasn't available to me.
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 3, 2023 10:31:04 GMT
I've had stuff sent from Japan in the last 12 months by regular airmail that took a week. From CD Japan? That option certainly wasn't available to me. I did not have any airmail options either!
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Post by pimderks on Jun 3, 2023 10:53:47 GMT
Off-topic, but Whitesnake’s recent album reissue box sets have generally included an “evolutions” disc where each track is compiled from progressively more complete demos, so at the start the song’s just a rough early recording but by the end you’ve arrived at almost the finished item. I’ve never across anything quite like that before and it makes for a really interesting listen! Would love to hear something similar for Queen, even if that’s almost certainly wishful thinking. Actually, quite some artists have done this. Peter Gabriel's So box included a DNA disc which included a DNA mix of every song in the same way as you mention. The Lennon boxes also include an "Evolution" mix which is really similar as well. I like this approach, but still feel the takes should've been included unaltered as well. It makes for a nice listening experience though.
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Post by Steve on Jun 3, 2023 11:05:33 GMT
Star Fleet released to Spotify yesterday. Probably all the other streaming services too.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 3, 2023 11:15:37 GMT
Having said that, yeah, it would be great if they'd do this for some Queen classics. I think the only Queen song with at least somewhat recorded (and released) evolutional history is A Kind of Magic, (A Kind Of Vision -> The Movie Version - The Final version). And that is far from being a complete take by take evolution of a song, though one can hear ideas being developed. Off-topic, but Whitesnake’s recent album reissue box sets have generally included an “evolutions” disc where each track is compiled from progressively more complete demos, so at the start the song’s just a rough early recording but by the end you’ve arrived at almost the finished item. I’ve never across anything quite like that before and it makes for a really interesting listen! Would love to hear something similar for Queen, even if that’s almost certainly wishful thinking. I've heard some of the Whitesnake "evolution" discs and yes they're quite interesting, but not the sort of thing I'd listen to more than once in a while. I'd love that sort of thing from Queen, but again, they'd basically be listened to a few times then shelved for long periods, unless there were bits I could play with for personal remixes. I do like the complete alternate versions we got with the NOTW and Miracle boxes, and they do get regularly played. The Star Fleet Sessions will be of interest, but seeing the track times posted earlier in the thread, most of the Star Fleet takes are around 4 minutes, whereas the full version was nearly 8 minutes, so it doesn't seem as though we're going to get any complete alternate takes. Even the Let Me Out takes are a couple of minutes short of the regular version, but those, I think, are what I'm looking forward to the most.
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Post by deathtoming on Jun 3, 2023 15:14:49 GMT
So he mentioned he "gives us all" so where's the original Star Fleet music video? I'd be happier with a new video featuring Brian May and Friends as marionettes in the style of the TV show, flying ships and blasting lasers, possibly from their guitars like in the Invisible Man video. I used an AI image generator to create Brian May Star Fleet marionettes. Let's make this happen, although I think the second one wants to kill me.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 3, 2023 17:41:00 GMT
If Giles Martin can remix a Beatles album in stereo AND in surround sound too, do a remaster of said album, provide 2-3 discs of outtakes and produce a book (a flipping BOOK full of details on every song and more, not a 16 page pamphlet!) and all for near as damn it the same price as Brian and Queen boxsets, then why can't QPL/Brian do the same? Even the John Lennon boxsets have this level of work put into them. To be fair, those albums had sessions that lasted for weeks or months, whereas the Star Fleet project was just a weekend hang that unexpectedly became an EP. The BTTL/AW box sets may not have been comprehensive, but it looks like the Star Fleet will be a step in that direction. Maybe this is a sign of better things to come.
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Post by leighburne on Jun 3, 2023 18:04:26 GMT
Went ahead and ordered the one-disc from the Queen store.
I may try and pick up the two-disc version later, or failing that I’ll just get it digitally. As others have said, the demos will be interesting but aren’t likely to be something I listen to more than once or twice.
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Post by pg on Jun 3, 2023 19:03:02 GMT
I'd be happier with a new video featuring Brian May and Friends as marionettes in the style of the TV show, flying ships and blasting lasers, possibly from their guitars like in the Invisible Man video. I used an AI image generator to create Brian May Star Fleet marionettes. Let's make this happen, although I think the second one wants to kill me. It's not just the second one that wants to kill you. So do half of this forum
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 3, 2023 20:45:23 GMT
I used an AI image generator to create Brian May Star Fleet marionettes. Let's make this happen, although I think the second one wants to kill me. That's the stuff of nightmares!
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