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Post by David Jones on Jun 3, 2023 21:25:15 GMT
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Post by saintjiub on Jun 3, 2023 21:54:24 GMT
The "special" SHM-CDs from Japan are supposed to be "higher quality", but is that hype?
Is the higher price really "worth it"?
My googling only seems to find glowing corporate marketing or opinionated message-board comments ... but seemingly, nothing that is objectively fact-based. Anyhow, my old ears won't know any better.
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Post by rylan2020 on Jun 4, 2023 2:29:27 GMT
The "special" SHM-CDs from Japan are supposed to be "higher quality", but is that hype? Is the higher price really "worth it"? My googling only seems to find glowing corporate marketing or opinionated message-board comments ... but seemingly, nothing that is objectively fact-based. Anyhow, my old ears won't know any better. from my experience no the only cool thing about them is that they say SHM-CD other than that no same sound.
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Post by pg on Jun 4, 2023 6:14:48 GMT
The "special" SHM-CDs from Japan are supposed to be "higher quality", but is that hype? Is the higher price really "worth it"? My googling only seems to find glowing corporate marketing or opinionated message-board comments ... but seemingly, nothing that is objectively fact-based. Anyhow, my old ears won't know any better. The "technology" is, as far as I can tell, snake oil. There is a feeling though that Japanese mastering techniques are distinctly higher quality and this may be a factor. That said, I doubt there's different mastering in this case - presumably the whole world is getting a Bob Ludwig master as usual
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Post by pg on Jun 4, 2023 6:18:12 GMT
I've edited my post quoting this pictures to remove the pictures. Please can everyone else consider doing the same? Or at least change the size to...as close to 1x1 as possible.
Thank you on behalf of the Red Cross
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Post by saintjiub on Jun 4, 2023 17:08:34 GMT
The "special" SHM-CDs from Japan are supposed to be "higher quality", but is that hype? Is the higher price really "worth it"? My googling only seems to find glowing corporate marketing or opinionated message-board comments ... but seemingly, nothing that is objectively fact-based. Anyhow, my old ears won't know any better. The "technology" is, as far as I can tell, snake oil. There is a feeling though that Japanese mastering techniques are distinctly higher quality and this may be a factor. That said, I doubt there's different mastering in this case - presumably the whole world is getting a Bob Ludwig master as usual I saw snake oil mentioned on a few message boards ...
But, but, but it is "super high material" with greater transparency that is easier to read ... and reduces CD reading errors ...
... but $26 for two CD's is not super expensive , I guess.
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Post by rylan2020 on Jun 4, 2023 18:07:29 GMT
Is universal and it’s subsidiaries the only ones that use SHM-CDs I swear I don’t see any other Japanese companies that use them.
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Post by pelikan on Jun 4, 2023 21:14:53 GMT
The "special" SHM-CDs from Japan are supposed to be "higher quality", but is that hype? Is the higher price really "worth it"? My googling only seems to find glowing corporate marketing or opinionated message-board comments ... but seemingly, nothing that is objectively fact-based. Anyhow, my old ears won't know any better. The "technology" is, as far as I can tell, snake oil. There is a feeling though that Japanese mastering techniques are distinctly higher quality and this may be a factor. That said, I doubt there's different mastering in this case - presumably the whole world is getting a Bob Ludwig master as usual SHM CDs refers to no different musical master, the vantage is the material used to print them, makes the 0s and 1s more clear to the CD reader: this is makes the listening a little more amusing and clear.
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Post by pg on Jun 5, 2023 19:03:35 GMT
The "technology" is, as far as I can tell, snake oil. There is a feeling though that Japanese mastering techniques are distinctly higher quality and this may be a factor. That said, I doubt there's different mastering in this case - presumably the whole world is getting a Bob Ludwig master as usual SHM CDs refers to no different musical master, the vantage is the material used to print them, makes the 0s and 1s more clear to the CD reader: this is makes the listening a little more amusing and clear. Unless the CD is so bad that a 1 is mistaken for a 0, isn't it the case that there's no difference? It's not possible to read a 1 "more clearly"...
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Post by Egietje on Jun 5, 2023 21:52:09 GMT
SHM CDs refers to no different musical master, the vantage is the material used to print them, makes the 0s and 1s more clear to the CD reader: this is makes the listening a little more amusing and clear. Unless the CD is so bad that a 1 is mistaken for a 0, isn't it the case that there's no difference? It's not possible to read a 1 "more clearly"... That is indeed true (and CDs I believe usually have built in error correction so even if it reads a 1 instead of a 0 it'll correct it to a certain point). From my limited looking around I do believe there might just be a different master/EQ/whatever on SHM CDs. A different material to read bits more clearly is most definitely just marketing BS (although they might last longer than regular CDs idk).
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Post by dane on Jun 7, 2023 11:43:37 GMT
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Post by Plengel on Jun 7, 2023 14:57:25 GMT
Pre-ordered the boxset from there as well. Did some searching around on the internet and ordered the other two boxsets as well. Kind of an early birthday present...
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Post by Egietje on Jun 7, 2023 16:08:23 GMT
Pre-ordered the boxset from there as well. Did some searching around on the internet and ordered the other two boxsets as well. Kind of an early birthday present... A few days ago I bought the Back to the Light set from bol.com (Dutch webshop) for only €39! Was only looking to get the vinyl but for that price I couldn't pass it up.
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Post by leighburne on Jun 10, 2023 21:30:30 GMT
So I caved and ordered the two-disc from Japan.
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Post by deathtoming on Jun 16, 2023 3:23:36 GMT
The "Japan Special" 2-CD edition of Star Fleet is now available for pre-order for £49.54 at Amazon UK and for $68.17 at Amazon Canada.
It ships from Canada on July 21st but not until August 4th in the UK at the time of this post. It doesn't look like the poster will come with it if you go this route.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 16, 2023 8:41:11 GMT
Can't believe the UK standard CD is still on Amazon at £29.34! 😲
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 16, 2023 9:05:51 GMT
Star Fleet Sessions 7", Box Set £126.59 !!! on Amazon UK If this is the proper price, a big no from me. It looks like the ones that ordered from Japan (thanks to LF ) may be getting the best priced items with the 2 CD set
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Post by Lplix on Jun 18, 2023 17:37:09 GMT
If you like, I'll give you a "tip". today I found (under te voice vinyl) the Starfleet box set on Amazon.it. the interesting thing is that the price is around €35. I was amazed and I contacted amazon who, not confirmed but suggested, to pre-order because it is probably an error in uploading the relative photo and relative detail; made the pre-order (where the coffret 2 CDs and 2 vinyls is specified). if they send something different (only the vinyl) the return is guaranteed as the order is different from the product delivered. if right the price is guaranteed. do you 😁 Best regards and good life Screenshot: mega.nz/file/5RpWwZ7S#y2Qoxt1p7YI2TgzwAtcJmI9Sj6nz7g0UIvRfl8uX1ng
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 18, 2023 18:26:00 GMT
Double CD Japanese import on Amazon.uk is £49.54!!
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Post by mikusguitarius on Jun 19, 2023 19:35:58 GMT
DEFINITELY some auto-tuning going on... for example...
"...Save our SOULS..." in the second verse is no longer slightly sharp BUT it's been done very tastefully and subtly. No weird robotic 'stepping'.
And you know what? Brian is the artiste and can do whatever he damn well likes!! (Not that he needs me or anyone else to defend him haha!!)
Remember folks: if it's been done well/properly, auto tuning is a GOOD thing.
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Post by merplot on Jun 20, 2023 1:39:08 GMT
DEFINITELY some auto-tuning going on... for example... "...Save our SOULS..." in the second verse is no longer slightly sharp BUT it's been done very tastefully and subtly. No weird robotic 'stepping'. And you know what? Brian is the artiste and can do whatever he damn well likes!! (Not that he needs me or anyone else to defend him haha!!) Remember folks: if it's been done well/properly, auto tuning is a GOOD thing. Oof. I respectfully disagree. It ruins the authenticity of the performance. I'm really disappointed and will probably listen to the old version as a result. I noticed right away, I didn't think it was very subtle at all.
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Post by mikusguitarius on Jun 20, 2023 8:53:37 GMT
DEFINITELY some auto-tuning going on... for example... "...Save our SOULS..." in the second verse is no longer slightly sharp BUT it's been done very tastefully and subtly. No weird robotic 'stepping'. And you know what? Brian is the artiste and can do whatever he damn well likes!! (Not that he needs me or anyone else to defend him haha!!) Remember folks: if it's been done well/properly, auto tuning is a GOOD thing. Oof. I respectfully disagree. It ruins the authenticity of the performance. I'm really disappointed and will probably listen to the old version as a result. I noticed right away, I didn't think it was very subtle at all. ----------------------------------------------- I respectfully acknowledge your reply ;-) But 'ruining the authenticity of the performance'?? I get what you're saying but... Take the corrected mistake in March of the Black Queen from the Hammersmith 75 gig. Yes: it's no longer 'authentic' but the correction means it's now much nicer to listen to. Don't get me wrong though... I don't like much of what George Lucas did to the original trilogy in the late 90s but he wasn't correcting mistakes, he was fixing things that weren't broken. I must reiterate... the artiste can do what they want to their own releases (and yes I'm now contradicting myself about what I said about Lucas haha!) and also that the auto-tune has been done well - no weird robotic 'stepping'. For an example of TERRIBLE auto-tune being applied, listen to Tim Minchin singing Heaven On Their Minds live. (He didn't deserve it!!) However I completely agree that the original mixes should've been included. A strange omission not to!!
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 28, 2023 9:44:08 GMT
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Post by pg on Jun 28, 2023 11:02:23 GMT
If I was a bit closer to London, and the 17th wasn't a weeknight, and I didn't have to spend £80 for the possibility of a ticket...
...maybe.
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 28, 2023 11:26:41 GMT
Most of us pre-ordered from Japan and maybe the sales don`t reflect this. I wonder where the link came from🤷♂️😎
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 28, 2023 11:28:57 GMT
To be honest, OK, it might be a nice thing to go to, but it's a bit of a cheek offering it now, when all those who want the product will probably have already ordered it.
It's almost like bringing out a 'limited edition' a few months after a release, just to try to make you buy it again.
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Post by leighburne on Jun 28, 2023 11:53:11 GMT
To be honest, OK, it might be a nice thing to go to, but it's a bit of a cheek offering it now, when all those who want the product will probably have already ordered it. You can enter retro-actively if you’ve already pre-ordered.
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Post by dragonkiller on Jun 28, 2023 12:29:21 GMT
I just ordered the CD single, I wonder if I get entered into the draw?. I will let you know.
Edit ....if you go to the website through the link, it allows you to enter the draw without buying anything......*No Purchase Necessary
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 28, 2023 12:31:33 GMT
To be honest, OK, it might be a nice thing to go to, but it's a bit of a cheek offering it now, when all those who want the product will probably have already ordered it. You can enter retro-actively if you’ve already pre-ordered. Oh right, fair enough. Didn't see that, as admittedly I didn't look that deeply into it.
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Post by ncc1701q on Jun 28, 2023 13:54:51 GMT
Once again, UK-only......
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