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Post by dysan on Nov 26, 2020 8:46:30 GMT
Can't really see the similarly if I'm honest, but I wish these special versions for TOTP could be made available without the audience noise. I hadn't heard that superior version of Action before (well, not for 45 years!) and it would be great to have a good quality download of the original re-recording. Same goes for the TOTP version of Now I'm Here. I wonder if the case could be made that the 1975 re-recording of KYA was in fact for a TV performance rather than for actual release? It would suit that rather raw final version. We probaly talked about it in the old place. While I'm here, Bohardy - I still listen to your piano takes of ITLOTG and Fairy Fellers  |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Nov 26, 2020 9:08:19 GMT
Sorry, Brenski but I disagree with a lot of the OP. For example. One Vision and Highway to Hell are staccato chord riffs in the same key, but the sequence and rhythm are completely different. You could just as well make a case for the bass riff in Papa Was a Rolling Stone or the verse riff in Fight For Your Right. but the point isn't about the dissimilarities, is it? it's about similarities - and there definitely are. One other thing: the OP aren't all my own opinions - they're a collection of various suggestions from members here and on other music boards. |
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Post by stevendabudgie on Nov 26, 2020 12:35:58 GMT
There is an instrumental section at the end of Bowie´s "Let´s Dance" reminding me of "Rain Must Fall".
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Post by dysan on Nov 26, 2020 18:31:14 GMT
I've also long contended that Machines (Back To Humans) is an exact copy of Machines by Sailor from their 1978 Hideaway album but can never find it on youtube to link it.
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Post by thesirhc on Dec 19, 2020 15:52:23 GMT
There are some similarities between
Spread Your Wings - Rocky Raccoon (Beatles)
Need Your Loving Tonight - Eight Days a Week (Beatles)
So many have already been listed. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel!
As for Queen similar to other Queen, I've always thought there were strong bass similarities between Body Language and Staying Power and then AKOM and KPTOW (two separate comparisons, not all four together).
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Post by thesirhc on Dec 19, 2020 15:56:06 GMT
Oh, and WWRY fast version and ELO's Poker
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Post by Chopin1995 on Dec 19, 2020 22:50:06 GMT
This is particularly strong similarity, but it's not a coincidence. The same person was responsible for both bass lines |
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Post by thesirhc on Dec 20, 2020 20:04:16 GMT
Wasn't there a song 'Best Friend' took the piano lick from? Doctor My Eyes by Jackson Browne |
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Post by pg on Feb 21, 2021 10:57:50 GMT
I'm sure this has come up before, but can't find the thread, so apologies and please merge...
The start of "Ms Grace" by the Tymes from 1974 souns to me like it overlaps with the intro of YMBF - by no means enough to get sued, but enough to make you think it was a factor.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Feb 21, 2021 11:16:36 GMT
I'm sure this has come up before, but can't find the thread, so apologies and please merge... The start of "Ms Grace" by the Tymes from 1974 souns to me like it overlaps with the intro of YMBF - by no means enough to get sued, but enough to make you think it was a factor. good spot. although, I've always thought that Stevie Wonder owed a lot more to The Tymes than Queen. Isn't She Lovely and Ms Grace mix together quite nicely |
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Post by Steve on Feb 21, 2021 12:42:11 GMT
I'm sure this has come up before, but can't find the thread, so apologies and please merge... The start of "Ms Grace" by the Tymes from 1974 souns to me like it overlaps with the intro of YMBF - by no means enough to get sued, but enough to make you think it was a factor. Just listened to it. Indeed, it is very similar. Especially with the Oooh at the start! |
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Post by mevansnow on Apr 2, 2021 23:03:02 GMT
There are some similarities between Spread Your Wings - Rocky Raccoon (Beatles) Need Your Loving Tonight - Eight Days a Week (Beatles) So many have already been listed. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel! As for Queen similar to other Queen, I've always thought there were strong bass similarities between Body Language and Staying Power and then AKOM and KPTOW (two separate comparisons, not all four together). I was going to mention the Rocky Raccoon Spread your Wings similarity too. There is definitely something in the vocal melody that seems very close in both those (brilliant) songs. I’m pleased it wasn’t just me that can hear it. |
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 4, 2021 17:41:29 GMT
I was listening Jean Rondeau playing a Fandango instrumental piece and it came to my mind that, The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, my favorite Queen song was inspired by Fandango and indeed is kind of this style. So my thoughts went to Bohemian Rhapsody lyrics and music, some of them come from previous songs like the end of my fairy King, lily of the valley lyrically (let me go) musically piano drive ballad and ofcourse the fairy feller's master stroke (Fandango reference ). All these thoughts just from TFFMS Fandango inspiration. Which again it can be heard during the middle part of Bicycle Race. Freddie and Queen were truly eclectic and very different from many well praised bands and other counteboraies acts of their time. m.youtube.com/watch?v=q13W_HcLkNM |
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Post by pg on Apr 4, 2021 17:55:09 GMT
Not a bad impression of Mahler. You'll go far.
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Post by blackparadox on Apr 4, 2021 19:58:37 GMT
I do not see any resemblance, just the use of a harpsichord
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 4, 2021 21:09:33 GMT
I was listening Jean Rondeau playing a Fandango instrumental piece and it came to my mind that, The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, my favorite Queen song was inspired by Fandango and indeed is kind of this style. So my thoughts went to Bohemian Rhapsody lyrics and music, some of them come from previous songs like the end of my fairy King, lily of the valley lyrically (let me go) musically piano drive ballad and ofcourse the fairy feller's master stroke (Fandango reference ). All these thoughts just from TFFMS Fandango inspiration. Which again it can be heard during the middle part of Bicycle Race. Freddie and Queen were truly eclectic and very different from many well praised bands and other counteboraies acts of their time. m.youtube.com/watch?v=q13W_HcLkNM I do not see any resemblance, just the use of a harpsichord yep. agreed with blackparadox ^ - because on that basis, everything that swims is a fish |
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 5, 2021 6:34:04 GMT
I was listening Jean Rondeau playing a Fandango instrumental piece and it came to my mind that, The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, my favorite Queen song was inspired by Fandango and indeed is kind of this style. So my thoughts went to Bohemian Rhapsody lyrics and music, some of them come from previous songs like the end of my fairy King, lily of the valley lyrically (let me go) musically piano drive ballad and ofcourse the fairy feller's master stroke (Fandango reference ). All these thoughts just from TFFMS Fandango inspiration. Which again it can be heard during the middle part of Bicycle Race. Freddie and Queen were truly eclectic and very different from many well praised bands and other counteboraies acts of their time. m.youtube.com/watch?v=q13W_HcLkNM I do not see any resemblance, just the use of a harpsichord yep. agreed with blackparadox ^ - because on that basis, everything that swims is a fish My point was/is that Fandango music style was and is present in the FFMS and the rest is my thoughts about some lyrical or musical references up to Bohemian Rhapsody (not the music style). Of course it is not direct inspiration, maybe Fandango is just the sparkle that inspired musically TFFMS. Lyrics I know inspired by the painting. Thus my conclusion about Queen surprisingly inspirations compare to other well praised acts /bands. |
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Post by blackparadox on Apr 5, 2021 8:31:27 GMT
yep. agreed with blackparadox ^ - because on that basis, everything that swims is a fish My point was/is that Fandango music style was and is present in the FFMS and the rest is my thoughts about some lyrical or musical references up to Bohemian Rhapsody (not the music style). Of course it is not direct inspiration, maybe Fandango is just the sparkle that inspired musically TFFMS. Lyrics I know inspired by the painting. Thus my conclusion about Queen surprisingly inspirations compare to other well praised acts /bands. More than the Fandango style, I would say FMMS takes some characteristics from baroque music. As I said before, the use of harpsichord is the typical instrument from that era, creating an atmosphere from this period. Another element is the use of ornaments we can hear them through the song i.e. appoggiatura and during the harpsichord solo the melody has mordents that create more ornate music, in addition to the use of harmonies, which is typical of the baroque. |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 5, 2021 8:40:53 GMT
My point was/is that Fandango music style was and is present in the FFMS and the rest is my thoughts about some lyrical or musical references up to Bohemian Rhapsody (not the music style). Of course it is not direct inspiration, maybe Fandango is just the sparkle that inspired musically TFFMS. Lyrics I know inspired by the painting. Thus my conclusion about Queen surprisingly inspirations compare to other well praised acts /bands. More than the Fandango style, I would say FMMS takes some characteristics from baroque music. As I said before, the use of harpsichord is the typical instrument from that era, creating an atmosphere from this period. Another element is the use of ornaments we can hear them through the song i.e. appoggiatura and during the harpsichord solo the melody has mordents that create more ornate music, in addition to the use of harmonies, which is typical of the baroque. exactly. ^ this. use of castanets by Roy Thomas Baker, does not automatically render this "fandango". I'd call the style "progressive baroque n roll". the playing being baroque, while the timing changes are much more prog. but i really don't think there's any fandango to speak of. |
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 5, 2021 13:06:21 GMT
More than the Fandango style, I would say FMMS takes some characteristics from baroque music. As I said before, the use of harpsichord is the typical instrument from that era, creating an atmosphere from this period. Another element is the use of ornaments we can hear them through the song i.e. appoggiatura and during the harpsichord solo the melody has mordents that create more ornate music, in addition to the use of harmonies, which is typical of the baroque. exactly. ^ this. use of castanets by Roy Thomas Baker, does not automatically render this "fandango". I'd call the style "progressive baroque n roll". the playing being baroque, while the timing changes are much more prog. but i really don't think there's any fandango to speak of. Yes I can understand all the above, without wanting to be obstinate (if it is the correct word), I think that the way Freddie is playing has some Fandango weirdness , so in my recent view is a baroque style song with all the mentioned elements with Fandango weird playing or pseudo Fandango playing. Thanks for replies! |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Apr 5, 2021 15:05:46 GMT
I was listening Jean Rondeau playing a Fandango instrumental piece and it came to my mind that, The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, my favorite Queen song was inspired by Fandango and indeed is kind of this style. My point was/is that Fandango music style was and is present in the FFMS and the rest is my thoughts .....Of course it is not direct inspiration, maybe Fandango is just the sparkle that inspired musically TFFMS. Yes I can understand all the above, without wanting to be obstinate (if it is the correct word), I think that the way Freddie is playing has some Fandango weirdness , so in my recent view is a baroque style song with all the mentioned elements with Fandango weird playing or pseudo Fandango playing. i've listened to this song for the best part of 50 years and i've yet to hear anything "fandango" about it. your argument/pov is jumping all over the place. seriously, castanets do not = fandango - no more than tambourine = folk music. Freddie's "weird playing" (as you call it) - the key/timing changes are more prog, with his harpischord style being very much baroque. apart from the actual musical arrangement itself, i feel that Freddie was aiming for a baroque feel with this song. why? well, the unfinished painting that inspired this song heralds from 1864, but Richard Dadd himself drew his painting inspirations from Shakespeare (A Midsummer Night's Dream) - which was published in 1600 - the very beginning of the baroque music period. I think it all ties up quite nicely. |
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Post by blackparadox on Apr 5, 2021 15:55:28 GMT
exactly. ^ this. use of castanets by Roy Thomas Baker, does not automatically render this "fandango". I'd call the style "progressive baroque n roll". the playing being baroque, while the timing changes are much more prog. but i really don't think there's any fandango to speak of. Yes I can understand all the above, without wanting to be obstinate (if it is the correct word), I think that the way Freddie is playing has some Fandango weirdness , so in my recent view is a baroque style song with all the mentioned elements with Fandango weird playing or pseudo Fandango playing. Thanks for replies! I think you are relating the "virtuosism" of the performer with Freddie's piano playing, the piano track of FFMST is basically strumming chords-arpeggios-strumming chords-piano solo-strumming chords and arpeggios which connects with nevemore, and Soler's fandango, which is a sonata with the baroque scheme, is basically arpeggios and scales ascending and descending. |
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Post by Dimitris on Apr 5, 2021 19:34:13 GMT
Yes I can understand all the above, without wanting to be obstinate (if it is the correct word), I think that the way Freddie is playing has some Fandango weirdness , so in my recent view is a baroque style song with all the mentioned elements with Fandango weird playing or pseudo Fandango playing. Thanks for replies! I think you are relating the "virtuosism" of the performer with Freddie's piano playing, the piano track of FFMST is basically strumming chords-arpeggios-strumming chords-piano solo-strumming chords and arpeggios which connects with nevemore, and Soler's fandango, which is a sonata with the baroque scheme, is basically arpeggios and scales ascending and descending. You really clarify it. It is my favorite song along with Bohemian Rhapsody and The Millionaire's Waltz. |
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Post by ThomasQuinn on Apr 13, 2021 9:07:30 GMT
I'm a little late to this, but if it has an even time signature (4/4, 8/8, 2/4), it'll never be fandango - the 3/4 or 6/8 time is the most important defining characteristic, in the same way that you can't have a waltz in 4/4 time. And TFFMS is as even as it gets.
On an entirely unrelated note - I know the topic is Queen "inspired by", but flipping it around (inspired "by Queen"?), I was recently playing The Alan Parsons Project's "The Turn of a Friendly Card", and it struck me that (lyrics aside), "Nothing Left To Lose" could, IMHO, have been a Queen-song. Obviously there would have been differences (synth-accordion solo -> Red Special; vocal harmonies -> somewhat more refined, that kind of stuff), but to me it sounds like they were going for a Queen-sound.
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Post by soundfreak1 on Apr 29, 2021 13:13:23 GMT
When it comes to the influences of „Queen“ I wonder for ages, whether Freddie Mercury was familiar with the work of Barry Ryan. Some may know „Eloise“. But there was more. Barry Ryan had a twin brother writing his material on his first two solo-albums. Those albums from 1968 and 69 were groundbreaking for what was to become „symphonic rock“. They did things, that both ELO and Queen later were applauded for. As they could not bring their music on stage in those times, they never got the recognition they might deserve. Barry Ryan also drifted into average popmusic in the early 70s, so it might have been „uncool“ to name him as an influence. But listen just to this song from 1969 and you will find many elements that Mercury also offered in the 70s for example in „Lilly of the Valley“. The singing style, the sound, the vocal harmonies and also the dynamic breaks in the songwriting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FroTxpOvKw4 |
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Post by littlequeenie97 on Apr 29, 2021 19:59:44 GMT
I don't know if this is "inspired by" or not, but i've always seen a resemblance between the bass riff of Don't Try Suicide and the main riff of Jet by Paul McCartney and Wings.
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Post by martinpacker on Apr 30, 2021 8:24:43 GMT
Cowboys and Indians reminds me of Radio Gaga. But it could be the other way round. :-)
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Post by splicksplack on May 26, 2021 17:42:46 GMT
I think the opening few seconds of ‘Radio Ga Ga’ sound very much like the start of the Stevie Nicks single ‘Stand Back’.
The accepted story of inspiration for ‘RGG’ was from Roger’s son saying “ca-ca” in response to a song on the radio when they were in LA in ’83. I wonder what that song was?
‘Stand Back’ was recorded in LA in February 1983 and released in May 1983.
‘RGG’ was subsequently also recorded in LA, in August 1983. So the time-line fits.
Probably need to snip the first 6 - 10 seconds of each song and play back to back a few times to get it.
Both have similar bpm (112 and 115), both start with 2 bars of solo drum machine, mainly prominent kick and snare but then on the 3rd bar the strikingly similar semi-quaver percussive synth.
Not exactly a massive steal but when I heard the SN song I just heard RGG straight away (although of course SN came first).
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 26, 2021 18:42:11 GMT
i'd like to add in a tiny little segment of Ain't Putting Nothing Down and No Regrets - there's a something there
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