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Post by pg on Jun 30, 2023 17:22:23 GMT
Then again, I have something in the back of my mind about a contractual obligation to release one (new?) product each year? Was that with Universal / Island? I guess if they have nothing else planned, that might make a box set more of a possibility. There's a possibility that Star Fleet satisfies that criteria
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Post by georg on Jun 30, 2023 17:38:52 GMT
I always thought solo and Queen were separate deals altogether, but I’m probably wrong. Maybe it’s a case of not wanting to “flood the market”… 🙄
Also, how were the sales of The Miracle box? If they were healthy enough it might have convinced them to continue down the archival box sets path. I know I know, highly doubtful, but maybe……!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 30, 2023 18:02:45 GMT
I love Queen I - it's (usually) in my top 3 Queen LPs, but finest classic rock debut ever? No. I can name quite a few that sit above it IMO: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin Montrose - Montrose Crosby Stills & Nash - Crosby Stills & Nash Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel Heart - Dreamboat Annie Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard of Ozz George Harrison - All things Must Pass and my own personal favourite....The Cars - The Cars That's a little unfair... Ozzy and Harrison were experienced and accomplished musicians, their solo debut albums weren't their first rodeos. well on the same basis then quite a few others should be excluded Gabriel (Genesis), Crosby (The Byrds), Stills (Buffalo Springfield), Nash (Hollies) Montrose ( Bill Church - Van Morrison's band), Montrose (Ronnie Montrose - Edgar Winter Group), all had recorded on LPs prior to their "debuts" in my list...and Page had played on around half-dozen LPs' worth of individual songs prior to Zep
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Post by Raf on Jun 30, 2023 18:18:09 GMT
That's a little unfair... Ozzy and Harrison were experienced and accomplished musicians, their solo debut albums weren't their first rodeos. well on the same basis then quite a few others should be excluded Gabriel (Genesis), Crosby (The Byrds), Stills (Buffalo Springfield), Nash (Hollies) Montrose ( Bill Church - Van Morrison's band), Montrose (Ronnie Montrose - Edgar Winter Group), all had recorded on LPs prior to their "debuts" in my list...and Page had played on around half-dozen LPs' worth of individual songs prior to Zep I wouldn't count Page because he was "only" a session musician - even though he was probably the busiest session musician in the UK for years! But I guess we can't deny that by the time he recorded LZI he was probably more experienced than many musicians with a few albums out under their own name.
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Post by saintjiub on Jun 30, 2023 18:49:14 GMT
well on the same basis then quite a few others should be excluded Gabriel (Genesis), Crosby (The Byrds), Stills (Buffalo Springfield), Nash (Hollies) Montrose ( Bill Church - Van Morrison's band), Montrose (Ronnie Montrose - Edgar Winter Group), all had recorded on LPs prior to their "debuts" in my list...and Page had played on around half-dozen LPs' worth of individual songs prior to Zep I wouldn't count Page because he was "only" a session musician - even though he was probably the busiest session musician in the UK for years! But I guess we can't deny that by the time he recorded LZI he was probably more experienced than many musicians with a few albums out under their own name. Although Jimmy Page was originally "only" a session musician, he became a full-fledged member of the Yardbirds from 1966 to 1968, and then subsequently founded Led Zeppelin when the Yardbirds broke up.
So that still leaves only Heart and The Cars from the aforementioned list ...
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 30, 2023 18:49:38 GMT
Then again, I have something in the back of my mind about a contractual obligation to release one (new?) product each year? Was that with Universal / Island? I guess if they have nothing else planned, that might make a box set more of a possibility. There's a possibility that Star Fleet satisfies that criteria I might be wrong but I thought Brian's and Roger's solo stuff was under different licensing? Didn't this come up in the discussion about the $1.1bn catalogue sale? Anyway, we can speculate as much as we like, but until something is announced it's all just wishful thinking. We seem to have been here before, but at least the Miracle box had been mentioned as 'happening'. We have no such indications that anything is in the pipeline regarding QI.
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Post by cmi on Jul 1, 2023 8:58:11 GMT
Is there anything interesting/important about the album in the article?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 1, 2023 10:06:24 GMT
I'll let you know when I've finished reading it. It's the old story about how they all met at the moment.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jul 1, 2023 10:47:38 GMT
Some of you may recall reports last year of Greg suggesting a list of 'possible' box sets where he said Queen & Queen II as one set. If such a boxset happens, then surely it's more likely to be next year to give them time to put together a disc or two of studio outtakes. I suspect there may be very little from Queen studio sessions that merits a full disc, hence a boxset covering both albums.
Of course, I hope to be proved wrong.
We will know sometime in September at the latest if there is a boxset release this year.
In the meantime, there's always my ongoing releases of Ai Instrumentals, removing vocals, to satisfy any cravings for something "new" for the bands 50th Anniversary...
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Post by dragonkiller on Jul 1, 2023 11:26:53 GMT
I`ve had a glance through the article and the only songs mentioned are, Mad the Swine, Hangman and several remixes of KYA. There is also a mention of I Can Hear Music. Going by this it seems there is not a lot available, but a studio version of Hangman would be very welcome. There is also a nice article on the Star-fleet release as well.
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Post by oreno on Jul 1, 2023 12:32:03 GMT
Loved it on 1st listen, loved it since. Although was quite the culture shock after only hearing all the 80s stuff (and GH1/SSOR I suppose). Still prefer it to QII, though that's the unfashionable view in these parts, it seems that's how the press at the time felt too. Although I suppose QII was about the development and expansion of their approach, where QI was more about where they'd come from. (I also don't think they quite nailed it until SHA - and one John Deacon would agree with me there - again, the unfashionable view.) Anyway we can talk about QII next year haha.
I think I like that the material QI was mostly built from the stage act. No other album is quite like this. They're trying to be direct and to the point, as you usually have to be if you're an unknown on stage, while piling all their arrangement ideas on top. Sometimes it gets a bit overbalanced, as on S&D and Jesus, which to me are a bit overcooked with the guitar overdubs. But I think the album's masterpieces are KYA and MFK, which are both beautifully (if very differently) arranged while remaining musically very in your face/ direct. And I think Liar is still the best example of Queen as an out and out progressive hard rock band in the studio.
Looks like there will be some multitracks at the FM Birthday event, look forward to some reports. Hopefully not just going on and on about the drum sound, there must be something else to talk about..
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Post by Brian's Wig on Jul 1, 2023 12:36:16 GMT
I`ve had a glance through the article and the only songs mentioned are, Mad the Swine, Hangman and several remixes of KYA. There is also a mention of I Can Hear Music. Going by this it seems there is not a lot available, but a studio version of Hangman would be very welcome. There is also a nice article on the Star-fleet release as well. I think it's fair to say that if a copy of John Stuart's Hangman Acetate does exist within the archives, it was never going to be released because of some un Politically Correct lyrics. However, with the new tech that can demux even a mono recording to its basic elements, there IS a possibility that the song could be released in a new 'vocally edited' version. At this point, I will refer you all to the EIGHTH word I typed: "If".....
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 1, 2023 12:52:50 GMT
I`ve had a glance through the article and the only songs mentioned are, Mad the Swine, Hangman and several remixes of KYA. There is also a mention of I Can Hear Music. Going by this it seems there is not a lot available, but a studio version of Hangman would be very welcome. There is also a nice article on the Star-fleet release as well. I think it's fair to say that if a copy of John Stuart's Hangman Acetate does exist within the archives, it was never going to be released because of some un Politically Correct lyrics. However, with the new tech that can demux even a mono recording to its basic elements, there IS a possibility that the song could be released in a new 'vocally edited' version. At this point, I will refer you all to the EIGHTH word I typed: "If"..... Of course, we can only assume that the lyrics on any studio recording which might exist are the same as the live version - but they might not be. You're right though, if that was the case, it would never be released in its original form.
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Post by dragonkiller on Jul 1, 2023 12:59:13 GMT
I think it's fair to say that if a copy of John Stuart's Hangman Acetate does exist within the archives, it was never going to be released because of some un Politically Correct lyrics. However, with the new tech that can demux even a mono recording to its basic elements, there IS a possibility that the song could be released in a new 'vocally edited' version. At this point, I will refer you all to the EIGHTH word I typed: "If"..... Of course, we can only assume that the lyrics on any studio recording which might exist are the same as the live version - but they might not be. You're right though, if that was the case, it would never be released in its original form. Son and Daughter comes to mind. I have only heard the sh** word on the studio album, and I don`t think Freddie sang it live.(I could be wrong and it has been mentioned at some gig)
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 1, 2023 13:21:15 GMT
Of course, we can only assume that the lyrics on any studio recording which might exist are the same as the live version - but they might not be. You're right though, if that was the case, it would never be released in its original form. Son and Daughter comes to mind. I have only heard the sh** word on the studio album, and I don`t think Freddie sang it live.(I could be wrong and it has been mentioned at some gig) What also comes to mind is See What A Fool I've Been, which had totally different live lyrics to the studio version.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 1, 2023 13:28:00 GMT
The author of the article, Mark Blake, writes:
"Other songs were considered but rejected. The underwhelming Mad The Swine was no loss. But Hangman, which sounded like Queen playing Black Sabbath's Sweet Leaf, would have been a welcome addition."
To me, that implies that the track has at least been heard, and therefore must exist (or must *have* existed), unless the writer is referring to live versions.
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Post by dragonkiller on Jul 1, 2023 13:39:50 GMT
The author of the article, Mark Blake, writes: "Other songs were considered but rejected. The underwhelming Mad The Swine was no loss. But Hangman, which sounded like Queen playing Black Sabbath's Sweet Leaf, would have been a welcome addition."To me, that implies that the track has at least been heard, and therefore must exist (or must *have* existed), unless the writer is referring to live versions. That was the way I read into it as well.
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Post by ted on Jul 1, 2023 14:17:19 GMT
Son and Daughter comes to mind. I have only heard the sh** word on the studio album, and I don`t think Freddie sang it live.(I could be wrong and it has been mentioned at some gig) What also comes to mind is See What A Fool I've Been, which had totally different live lyrics to the studio version. I have the BBC 1973 recording of SWAFIB which also has different lyrics than the studio (QII sessions) recording. I haven't heard a live recording of the song, so I'm wondering if the 'live lyrics' are the same/more similar to the BBC recording lyrics, i.e. 'Greyhound bus to Georgia...'.
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Jul 1, 2023 15:37:02 GMT
I always thought solo and Queen were separate deals altogether, but I’m probably wrong. Maybe it’s a case of not wanting to “flood the market”… 🙄 Also, how were the sales of The Miracle box? If they were healthy enough it might have convinced them to continue down the archival box sets path. I know I know, highly doubtful, but maybe……! My thoughts exactly! Let's face it... Brian May's fanbase is way more scarce than Queen's fanbase and we're talking about the very first Queen regal album. Brian has his own acetate archive which had been used for the re-released deluxe edition of QI. I know that Brian and Roger both hate anniversaries but there is no way escaping them. They have to be aware that we all are just entering the 50th anniversaries for each album. Beautifully designed box with art-book, Freddie's early sketches of Queen logo, Restored full early show and even half a disc of outtakes would be more than enough.
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Post by stef04 on Jul 1, 2023 15:55:41 GMT
Although it would be very timely, considering the 50th Anniversary, I'd be quite surprised if we got another Queen box set only a year after the last one. Then again, I have something in the back of my mind about a contractual obligation to release one (new?) product each year? Was that with Universal / Island? I guess if they have nothing else planned, that might make a box set more of a possibility. And while it could be a Queen I boxset, it could be even a Jazz boxset (45th anniversary). Or another Greatest Hits re-re-release...
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Post by bicyclerace on Jul 1, 2023 17:28:19 GMT
In just two weeks, Queen I will celebrate it's 50th birthday! (and QPL hasn't announced anything about it )
What are your thoughts on the album? What's your favorite song on it? The worst one?
Let me know!
The easy path would be to release a vinyl picture disc, but I don't know if Queen will keep on going releasing a pic disc for each album's anniversary. Anyway, these are more to be displayed than to be played, so not a big loss, even if a Queen I pic disc would look very nice!
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Post by pg on Jul 1, 2023 19:35:23 GMT
Acetate does exist within the archives, it was never going to be released because of some un Politically Correct lyrics. Queen II is still available ...
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 2, 2023 9:18:26 GMT
I think it's fair to say that if a copy of John Stuart's Hangman Acetate does exist within the archives, it was never going to be released because of some un Politically Correct lyrics. However, with the new tech that can demux even a mono recording to its basic elements, there IS a possibility that the song could be released in a new 'vocally edited' version. what's the lyric in question that would prevent release?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 2, 2023 9:40:05 GMT
I think it's fair to say that if a copy of John Stuart's Hangman Acetate does exist within the archives, it was never going to be released because of some un Politically Correct lyrics. However, with the new tech that can demux even a mono recording to its basic elements, there IS a possibility that the song could be released in a new 'vocally edited' version. what's the lyric in question that would prevent release? Isn't there a racial slur in it? Unprintable these days, but it also appears in MOTBQ. And Oliver's Army, which now has a 'radio friendly' version. 🙄
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 2, 2023 9:56:11 GMT
Isn't there a racial slur in it? Unprintable these days. wasn't that the live version? - it's possible that the studio version could be different. Yep. We may never know.
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Post by vh on Jul 2, 2023 10:17:45 GMT
The author of the article, Mark Blake, writes: "Other songs were considered but rejected. The underwhelming Mad The Swine was no loss. But Hangman, which sounded like Queen playing Black Sabbath's Sweet Leaf, would have been a welcome addition."To me, that implies that the track has at least been heard, and therefore must exist (or must *have* existed), unless the writer is referring to live versions. I’d like to think so. Or he could be referring to those tracks as we all know them, a B side and a bootleg. Writing an article in a respected magazine we all fall into that trap of thinking the writer knows more and is better informed than the person reading the piece. I think someone who has heard a studio recording of Hangman knowing it’s rarity value would have something more to say than it sounds like Black Sabbath.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 2, 2023 10:20:44 GMT
The author of the article, Mark Blake, writes: "Other songs were considered but rejected. The underwhelming Mad The Swine was no loss. But Hangman, which sounded like Queen playing Black Sabbath's Sweet Leaf, would have been a welcome addition."To me, that implies that the track has at least been heard, and therefore must exist (or must *have* existed), unless the writer is referring to live versions. I’d like to think so. Or he could be referring to those tracks as we all know them, a B side and a bootleg. Writing an article in a respected magazine we all fall into that trap of thinking the writer knows more and is better informed than the person reading the piece. I think someone who has heard a studio recording of Hangman knowing it’s rarity value would have something more to say than it sounds like Black Sabbath. Or, he could be someone who has heard it without knowing it's rarity value. As you say, we rely on the writer being better informed than the reader, but that isn't always the case.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jul 2, 2023 10:24:39 GMT
wasn't that the live version? - it's possible ttat the studio version could be different. Yep. We may never know. and it's not as if March of The Black Queen didn't have a whole verse peppered with very painful race references: Here comes the Black Queen poking in the pile Fie-fo the Black Queen marching single file Take this, take that, bring them down to size Put them in the cellar - with the naughty boys A little n***** sugar, then a dub-a-dub a baby oilthere's a direct reference there to "n***** in the woodpile" which on one level is bad enough as it refers to escaped slaves, how/where they hid and hunted because slaves were considered the property of the land-owners now it may have been that Freddie was just using very clever lyrics within the song as the meaning of the phrase itself is: an undisclosed important fact usually covering up for something suspicious or wrong. regardless, the idiom/phrase is (in current times) deemed grossly offensive enough to have an MP suspended from parliament in 2017 for using the phrase (albeit in context).
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jul 2, 2023 10:41:37 GMT
Yep. We may never know. and it's not as if March of The Black Queen didn't have a whole verse peppered with very painful race references: Here comes the Black Queen poking in the pile Fie-fo the Black Queen marching single file Take this, take that, bring them down to size Put them in the cellar - with the naughty boys A little n***** sugar, then a dub-a-dub a baby oilthere's a direct reference there to "n***** in the woodpile" which on one level is bad enough as it refers to escaped slaves, how/where they hid and hunted because slaves were considered the property of the land-owners now it may have been that Freddie was just using very clever lyrics within the song as the meaning of the phrase itself is: an undisclosed important fact usually covering up for something suspicious or wrong. regardless, the idiom/phrase is (in current times) deemed grossly offensive enough to have an MP suspended from parliament in 2017 for using the phrase (albeit in context). I don't think it would be expected to change something which has been around for nearly 50 years, but to release something previously unheard today, with language now deemed grossly offensive, is probably a no-no.
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Post by dane on Jul 3, 2023 11:03:15 GMT
A couple of days ago it was announced that Justin Shirley-Smith will be attending the Freddie Mercury b-day party this year and
"...will be bringing with him some multi-tracks from Queen’s 1973 debut album for fans to experience at the mixing desk in the Mountain Studios room."
This sparked at least some hope (i know, i know) they have done someting with the album for its anniversary and will be releasing something. My reasoning is that, in order to work with it on the 'Studio-Tour' mixing desk, they will have had to create an 8-channel (I think it is) mix of these songs in order to map them to the limited volume sliders on the 'fake' mixing desk. This would be a couple of days work if they were not already working on these multitracks. If it was done as a side-project while working on the multitracks it would just be an hour or so exporting some bounced tracks.
In any case.. dont anyone be bringing your old extra mobile phone with you, on record, stuffed in your boots now!
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