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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Aug 13, 2023 22:33:20 GMT
Did anyone see this video? "Live killers cover band celebrating the 50th anniversary of Queen debut album". Maybe it means nothing... why play Liar? Who knows www.instagram.com/reel/CvcCayio_ki/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==What about the famous cassette with the early 1972 gig that brian found at his home ? Could be part of the hypotetical box? "Am I dreaming?" Ahahahah
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Post by manymilesaway on Aug 13, 2023 22:56:05 GMT
Did anyone see this video? "Live killers celebrating the 50th anniversary of Queen debut album". Maybe it means nothing... www.instagram.com/reel/CvcCayio_ki/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==What about the famous cassette with the early 1972 gig that brian found at his home ? Could be part of the hypotetical box? "Am I dreaming?" Ahahahah that's just the name of a cover band that's playing at the freddie mercury birthday party that said, I LOVE that tease of Liar, very few good Liar covers out there. Would love to hear how this one goes.
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Post by pg on Sept 21, 2023 16:55:58 GMT
Justin Shirley Smith has been announced to take part at the FM Birthday Event as well, where he'll be playing stuff from Queen I. I'm fully expecting a box set now in October at this point, as the band haven't been that forthcoming in the past with playing outtakes in public since people starting taping them at conventions. How's that expectation working out?
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Post by khizzy on Sept 21, 2023 21:12:25 GMT
Justin Shirley Smith has been announced to take part at the FM Birthday Event as well, where he'll be playing stuff from Queen I. I'm fully expecting a box set now in October at this point, as the band haven't been that forthcoming in the past with playing outtakes in public since people starting taping them at conventions. How's that expectation working out? I'm still quietly confident... Although a lot less confident than I was originally!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 21, 2023 21:20:50 GMT
How's that expectation working out? I'm still quietly confident... Although a lot less confident than I was originally! sadly, reality will (likely) bite very hard (and deeply)
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Post by khizzy on Sept 21, 2023 21:26:44 GMT
I'm still quietly confident... Although a lot less confident than I was originally! sadly, reality will (likely) bite very hard (and deeply) Don't worry. I'm a Villa fan so I've very much been brought back down to earth today 😂
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Post by khizzy on Sept 21, 2023 21:33:49 GMT
Don't worry. I'm a Villa fan so I've very much been brought back down to earth today 😂 luxury! you want to try being a Birmingham City fan for 50 years! (I speak from experience) I have to say I feel your pain because I was born and raised in Small Heath and lived there for 38 years so I can imagine how it must feel being on the other side of things. But yeah, it's a much easier life being a Villa fan especially right now (although Europe is going to be harder than everyone first thought).
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Post by The great pretender on Aug 18, 2024 8:35:41 GMT
Hands down my favourite album, by far my most played
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 21, 2024 15:42:43 GMT
I will be dazed and confused if we will listen to Hangman
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Post by NathanH on Aug 21, 2024 18:31:15 GMT
If we ever hear Hangman (which does seem unlikely), it will probably be an average to weak song! Live recordings of it don't seem to strike me that it's a great song, and surely the band would've released it as a B-side or on an album if it was that good. After all the mystery over the years, it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't live up to it. Obviously I'd love to be proven wrong but I've been disappointed before when a new but old song gets released...
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 21, 2024 20:24:39 GMT
If we ever hear Hangman (which does seem unlikely), it will probably be an average to weak song! Live recordings of it don't seem to strike me that it's a great song, and surely the band would've released it as a B-side or on an album if it was that good. After all the mystery over the years, it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't live up to it. Obviously I'd love to be proven wrong but I've been disappointed before when a new but old song gets released... The same can be said about Face It Alone, actually. A powerful song in demo form ended up with a not so powerful release, with many elements being thrown out. As for Hangman, in my point of view, one of the coolest songs They performed the song at many early live shows and I'm sure there must be a studio recording of the song.
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Post by Brian's Wig on Aug 21, 2024 21:23:27 GMT
Greg has hinted that the next release will be a surprise. I was expecting it to be Queen or maybe a Queen/Queen II boxset. Frankly I'll be pissed if it's live stuff.
I expect we will find out in 2-3 weeks.
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Post by NathanH on Aug 21, 2024 21:38:18 GMT
If we ever hear Hangman (which does seem unlikely), it will probably be an average to weak song! Live recordings of it don't seem to strike me that it's a great song, and surely the band would've released it as a B-side or on an album if it was that good. After all the mystery over the years, it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't live up to it. Obviously I'd love to be proven wrong but I've been disappointed before when a new but old song gets released... The same can be said about Face It Alone, actually. A powerful song in demo form ended up with a not so powerful release, with many elements being thrown out. As for Hangman, in my point of view, one of the coolest songs They performed the song at many early live shows and I'm sure there must be a studio recording of the song. Face It Alone was the one I was thinking about! It's different to a lot of Queen songs, certainly unusual, I just wonder why it hasn't seen the light of day yet. Some have said on here that it could be because of certain lyrics no longer appropriate. I don't think anyone has pointed out The March Of The Black Queen has one banned word - oops 😬 Maybe Queen did a take of it but suspected it wouldn't have been on the album so a rehearsal might be all there is. Surely it would've come out with Mad The Swine in 1991?
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Post by NathanH on Aug 21, 2024 21:40:05 GMT
Another thing to add to the fire is the BBC version of My Fairy King is no longer available on Spotify. Whether this is just a UK thing or why none of the other songs on the first album have been taken off either might mean nothing at all!
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 21, 2024 22:12:50 GMT
The same can be said about Face It Alone, actually. A powerful song in demo form ended up with a not so powerful release, with many elements being thrown out. As for Hangman, in my point of view, one of the coolest songs They performed the song at many early live shows and I'm sure there must be a studio recording of the song. Face It Alone was the one I was thinking about! It's different to a lot of Queen songs, certainly unusual, I just wonder why it hasn't seen the light of day yet. Some have said on here that it could be because of certain lyrics no longer appropriate. I don't think anyone has pointed out The March Of The Black Queen has one banned word - oops 😬 Maybe Queen did a take of it but suspected it wouldn't have been on the album so a rehearsal might be all there is. Surely it would've come out with Mad The Swine in 1991? MOTBQ is already released, and has been for 50 years. They wouldn't, however, release it today with *that* lyric intact, if it hadn't been heard before. That, I suspect, would be one of the reasons we'll never hear Hangman in its original form.
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Post by Arnaldo Ogre- on Aug 21, 2024 23:22:11 GMT
Another thing to add to the fire is the BBC version of My Fairy King is no longer available on Spotify. Whether this is just a UK thing or why none of the other songs on the first album have been taken off either might mean nothing at all! MFK (BBC version) is still on Spotify here in Brazil. Cheers, Ogre-
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Post by pg on Aug 22, 2024 7:20:41 GMT
Greg has hinted that the next release will be a surprise. It would be a surprise if he DIDN'T hint that....
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Post by pg on Aug 22, 2024 7:22:38 GMT
Another thing to add to the fire.... Fire? Lol There's barely an ember, it's just there's 20 people furiously blowing on it desperate for the hint of a flame.
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Post by vh on Aug 22, 2024 8:21:07 GMT
Greg has hinted that the next release will be a surprise. It would be a surprise if he DIDN'T hint that.... I think we have to decode what he is saying here. How about I haven’t got a clue what’s coming next because I’m in in that record company/artist loop and I’ve run out of semi believable BS to spout at you!
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 22, 2024 10:04:35 GMT
I think we have to decode what he is saying here. How about I haven’t got a clue what’s coming next because I’m in in that record company/artist loop and I’ve run out of semi believable BS to spout at you! i think his level of prick-teasing is comparable to a stripper wearing 43-layers of clothing. the audience are alerted every time the opening notes of David Rose's "the stripper" fire up, only to realise there's no actual show, just a human clothes horse randomly staggering around the stage.
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Post by scallyuk on Aug 22, 2024 10:48:01 GMT
MOTBQ is already released, and has been for 50 years. They wouldn't, however, release it today with *that* lyric intact, if it hadn't been heard before. That, I suspect, would be one of the reasons we'll never hear Hangman in its original form. Has anyone, apart from our old friend and almost as big a wind-up merchant as Greg, JSS, actually heard or seen the alleged acetate? or seen the lyrics transcribed? Actually seing the vinyl doesn't count, it could be anything with a dodgy label on it. JSS was fond of his wind ups , especially when it came to filesharing with newbies.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 22, 2024 11:59:19 GMT
I think that perhaps some context is required at this point:
Here's John's FINAL response to requests for a share of the studio version of Hangman:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John S Stuart 25.03.2010 13:45 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have answered this many times. I have even written an audio description based on the "version" I own. I know that this info was previously published in Queenzone a few years back when the same issues arose back then. This info is all public record so I can't be ars*d repeating it now. (No direspect but if any kind soul could look this info out - it would save me the job).
What I do not understand is - that all of my recordings have ended up in the public domain. Without me, many of the rarites so taken for granted by all - would not be out there. I have never recieved a "thank-you" or a bye your leave.
In all the articles I have ever written - which have been plagiarised both in print and all over the 'net - never once (apart from Georg) have I recieved an acknowledgement.
If I print a picture of the acetate it's forged. If I upload a sound sample - it's not FLAC.
Now, I am no saint, and I will come down from my cross in a minute, but I have done so much for the Queen community - and all I have ever received in return is "take, take, take, take, take...". (have only on very rare occassins ever been on the returning end - so thanks to those who have supported me).
This is my one last "family Jewel" so sorry - after this thread - no more from me on Hangman. After all. I have never forced anyout to out their "Victory" or "Face It Alone" so why should I be pressurised - but not them?
Finally, I believe it is all a blind. I personally believe "Hangman" is in the vaults, and it will be "released" - if Queen PL decided to do so. That is not my call. I do not know of any Queen studio track which exists as a solitary copy. Even Freddie's home demos were duplicated, so I can not see how a studio production would be overlooked.
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Post by NathanH on Aug 22, 2024 12:02:46 GMT
Face It Alone was the one I was thinking about! It's different to a lot of Queen songs, certainly unusual, I just wonder why it hasn't seen the light of day yet. Some have said on here that it could be because of certain lyrics no longer appropriate. I don't think anyone has pointed out The March Of The Black Queen has one banned word - oops 😬 Maybe Queen did a take of it but suspected it wouldn't have been on the album so a rehearsal might be all there is. Surely it would've come out with Mad The Swine in 1991? MOTBQ is already released, and has been for 50 years. They wouldn't, however, release it today with *that* lyric intact, if it hadn't been heard before. That, I suspect, would be one of the reasons we'll never hear Hangman in its original form. I do wonder if they'll have to edit MOTBQ one day, I'd be surprised if they could play it on the radio in it's current form - even though no one does! Someone will point it out and make a complaint.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 22, 2024 12:54:58 GMT
I think that perhaps some context is required at this point: Here's John's FINAL response to requests for a share of the studio version of Hangman: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John S Stuart 25.03.2010 13:45+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I have answered this many times. I have even written an audio description based on the "version" I own. I know that this info was previously published in Queenzone a few years back when the same issues arose back then. This info is all public record so I can't be ars*d repeating it now. (No direspect but if any kind soul could look this info out - it would save me the job).
What I do not understand is - that all of my recordings have ended up in the public domain. Without me, many of the rarites so taken for granted by all - would not be out there. I have never recieved a "thank-you" or a bye your leave.
In all the articles I have ever written - which have been plagiarised both in print and all over the 'net - never once (apart from Georg) have I recieved an acknowledgement.
If I print a picture of the acetate it's forged. If I upload a sound sample - it's not FLAC.
Now, I am no saint, and I will come down from my cross in a minute, but I have done so much for the Queen community - and all I have ever received in return is "take, take, take, take, take...". (have only on very rare occassins ever been on the returning end - so thanks to those who have supported me).
This is my one last "family Jewel" so sorry - after this thread - no more from me on Hangman. After all. I have never forced anyout to out their "Victory" or "Face It Alone" so why should I be pressurised - but not them?
Finally, I believe it is all a blind. I personally believe "Hangman" is in the vaults, and it will be "released" - if Queen PL decided to do so. That is not my call. I do not know of any Queen studio track which exists as a solitary copy. Even Freddie's home demos were duplicated, so I can not see how a studio production would be overlooked.I think it's understandable that JSS, if he had it, didn't want to share it. It is, after all, the absolute holy grail of collectors items, and I wonder, if it was the genuine recording, whether he might have found himself on the wrong end of legal action from QPL, had he 'released' it? It's just a shame that he took that one last 'secret' to his grave.
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Post by vh on Aug 22, 2024 13:04:20 GMT
MOTBQ is already released, and has been for 50 years. They wouldn't, however, release it today with *that* lyric intact, if it hadn't been heard before. That, I suspect, would be one of the reasons we'll never hear Hangman in its original form. I do wonder if they'll have to edit MOTBQ one day, I'd be surprised if they could play it on the radio in it's current form - even though no one does! Someone will point it out and make a complaint. So why couldn’t it be released with a warning about the lyrical content. Or have we entered a new dark age where nothing can be expressed, artistically, politically or openly in any way. If this is the case there are literally tons of printed and recorded or filmed items that shouldn’t be available. Maybe There’s case for the open release of anything created before the world turned to shit!
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Post by NathanH on Aug 22, 2024 13:13:14 GMT
I do wonder if they'll have to edit MOTBQ one day, I'd be surprised if they could play it on the radio in it's current form - even though no one does! Someone will point it out and make a complaint. So why couldn’t it be released with a warning about the lyrical content. Or have we entered a new dark age where nothing can be expressed, artistically, politically or openly in any way. If this is the case there are literally tons of printed and recorded or filmed items that shouldn’t be available. Maybe There’s case for the open release of anything created before the world turned to shit! I agree with you, I'm in just in the generation where everything is censored so I'm used to this sort of thing, it seems to be the normality these days. If it was a big hit that had a word, I wouldn't be surprised if something was said or done because people take offense so easily especially if it doesn't directly involve them.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 22, 2024 13:50:59 GMT
further to the quote from John (above), I've located this which does seem to suggest the song may have been recorded:
Russ Williams: Was Hangman ever recorded in the studio? Roger Taylor: God, d'you know, I can't even remember, I do remember the song, but I can't remember if we recorded it. I'm sure there's a rough version somewhere, yeah.
I'm thinking that Roger is saying there may be a version around that he didn't play on? There's a contradiction there: I can't remember if we recorded it vs I'm sure there's a rough version somewhere
♦ Does "we" mean the whole band? ♦ Does a "rough version" mean something that just Freddie and Brian recorded acoustically a la Page/Plant did with their WIPs?
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Post by NathanH on Aug 22, 2024 14:13:14 GMT
further to the quote from John (above), I've located this which does seem to suggest the song may have been recorded: Russ Williams: Was Hangman ever recorded in the studio?Roger Taylor: God, d'you know, I can't even remember, I do remember the song, but I can't remember if we recorded it. I'm sure there's a rough version somewhere, yeah.I'm thinking that Roger is saying there may be a version around that he didn't play on? There's a contradiction there: I can't remember if we recorded it vs I'm sure there's a rough version somewhere♦ Does "we" mean the whole band? ♦ Does a "rough version" mean something that just Freddie and Brian recorded acoustically a la Page/Plant did with their WIPs? My interpretation of Roger is that the band may have rehearsed or done a take of Hangman but never officially recorded it in a studio for release. I'm unsure where it would have been recorded though unless they had a run-through but decided it wasn't suitable for the first album and didn't record it properly with overdubs. This might be similar to the circumstances surrounding Polar Bear, which I believe was a live take as you'd call the existing recording "rough".
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Post by vh on Aug 22, 2024 14:13:15 GMT
So why couldn’t it be released with a warning about the lyrical content. Or have we entered a new dark age where nothing can be expressed, artistically, politically or openly in any way. If this is the case there are literally tons of printed and recorded or filmed items that shouldn’t be available. Maybe There’s case for the open release of anything created before the world turned to shit! I agree with you, I'm in just in the generation where everything is censored so I'm used to this sort of thing, it seems to be the normality these days. If it was a big hit that had a word, I wouldn't be surprised if something was said or done because people take offense so easily especially if it doesn't directly involve them. In all honesty it’s nothing new. It’s more instant and direct now so everyone is aware from day one because of modern media and communication. Free speech and art has always had people holding it back. Back in the 80’s The PMRC a semi political group tried to ban any songs with questionable language or content. Their main target seemed to be Rock and Metal but also Rap and some Dance music. Their wish for a blanket ban failed, mainly due to some high profile speakers in favour of freedom of speech. Frank Zappa amongst others was famous at the time for standing up against them. Eventually the music industry agree to put stickers on any album that contained anything deemed unsuitable for either underage kids or anyone in general. The whole ploy backfired on the censors because the warning stickers seemed to draw in an audience who may not have bought an album by a particular artist. Some people have always and probably will always be offended by what free speech offers.
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Post by vh on Aug 22, 2024 14:20:08 GMT
further to the quote from John (above), I've located this which does seem to suggest the song may have been recorded: Russ Williams: Was Hangman ever recorded in the studio?Roger Taylor: God, d'you know, I can't even remember, I do remember the song, but I can't remember if we recorded it. I'm sure there's a rough version somewhere, yeah.I'm thinking that Roger is saying there may be a version around that he didn't play on? There's a contradiction there: I can't remember if we recorded it vs I'm sure there's a rough version somewhere♦ Does "we" mean the whole band? ♦ Does a "rough version" mean something that just Freddie and Brian recorded acoustically a la Page/Plant did with their WIPs? Interesting. I think a rough version could mean the band running through it and putting it to tape to work from. Him saying he can’t remember recording it could be referring to the band working on the song in full recording sessions.
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