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Post by jjmillenium on Aug 20, 2023 12:00:19 GMT
But what sense have to release a forgotten track from the weakest albums of Queen in 7" single now?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 20, 2023 12:08:24 GMT
But what sense have to release a forgotten track from the weakest albums of Queen in 7" single now? I just see it as a Record Store Day gimmick. There wasn't really any better excuse to release another track as a single, and I suppose it'll be a collector's item. Do we already have an official instrumental version?
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Post by funinspace81 on Aug 20, 2023 13:31:10 GMT
But what sense have to release a forgotten track from the weakest albums of Queen in 7" single now? I just see it as a Record Store Day gimmick. There wasn't really any better excuse to release another track as a single, and I suppose it'll be a collector's item. Do we already have an official instrumental version? I know that it's listed in the RSD site, but is this an exclusive RSD release? Since Target is openly having it in it's web site already, I wonder if this will be a wide-spread release.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 20, 2023 13:37:14 GMT
I just see it as a Record Store Day gimmick. There wasn't really any better excuse to release another track as a single, and I suppose it'll be a collector's item. Do we already have an official instrumental version? I know that it's listed in the RSD site, but is this an exclusive RSD release? Since Target is openly having it in it's web site already, I wonder if this will be a wide-spread release. It's weird, because it's not listed on the UK RSD releases here: thevinylfactory.com/news/record-store-day-2023-releases-list/Is RSD something different in the US?
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Post by funinspace81 on Aug 20, 2023 13:41:45 GMT
I know that it's listed in the RSD site, but is this an exclusive RSD release? Since Target is openly having it in it's web site already, I wonder if this will be a wide-spread release. It's weird, because it's not listed on the UK RSD releases here: thevinylfactory.com/news/record-store-day-2023-releases-list/Is RSD something different in the US? Yes, UK and US RSD releases frequently have exclusives. The RSD release will be probably a different color vinyl or something like that, but it looks like that this will be a regular release.
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Post by Golden Salmon on Aug 20, 2023 15:03:20 GMT
Wait a moment...
Don't you think this means...
that 'Greatest Hits' 4 is in the works?
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Post by macduff77 on Aug 20, 2023 15:21:14 GMT
Well, it was trending earlier this year thanks to TikTok and then that Amazon commercial. I think it even charted briefly in digital downloads. It’s definitely got a new life this year so it’s kinda cool that QPL have acknowledged that with a physical release.
It’s not so quick to get vinyl out to market, so I’m assuming this was when they could get a physical release sorted out. Kind of a cool novelty item.
I’m glad they didn’t go with any type of Q+AL for this one.
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Post by jjmillenium on Aug 20, 2023 15:27:38 GMT
I guess that is not a box set on the works, it's just 1 year since The Miracle one, and it takes 5 years in between the NOTW one and Miracle one. And RSD was on april, not on october, I think than on 'Black Friday' they release a couple of more LPs but that's on november
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Post by alexlizzy on Aug 20, 2023 16:08:46 GMT
Confirming that any speculation about this being a new version with AL is untrue. Not really. The b-side of "You Are The Champions" they released with Lambert was exactly the instrumental version of it. Anything is possible...in theory.
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Post by deathtoming on Aug 20, 2023 16:20:47 GMT
Confirming that any speculation about this being a new version with AL is untrue. Not really. The b-side of "You Are The Champions" they released with Lambert was exactly the instrumental version of it. Anything is possible...in theory. That link that was posted indicated that Cool Cat will be the 2011 remaster version. By the way all, several stores are now using this low resolution image for the upcoming single. I think taking advantage of the Hot Space colours would have been great, but oh well:
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Post by Dry Paint Dealer Undr on Aug 20, 2023 16:26:40 GMT
Not really. The b-side of "You Are The Champions" they released with Lambert was exactly the instrumental version of it. Anything is possible...in theory. That link that was posted indicated that Cool Cat will be the 2011 remaster version. By the way all, several stores are now using this low resolution image for the upcoming single. I think taking advantage of the Hot Space colours would have been great, but oh well: So they're just essentially re-using the back cover of Las Palabras De Amor then?
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Post by deathtoming on Aug 20, 2023 16:47:19 GMT
That link that was posted indicated that Cool Cat will be the 2011 remaster version. By the way all, several stores are now using this low resolution image for the upcoming single. I think taking advantage of the Hot Space colours would have been great, but oh well: So they're just essentially re-using the back cover of Las Palabras De Amor then? Oh, never mind then! It has to be a placeholder since it even has the "C/W" above "COOL CAT" (I couldn't make out that smudge before). I guess recordstoreday.com maybe did it first and participating stores use whatever that site uses.
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Post by fabiogminero on Aug 20, 2023 19:09:52 GMT
Instrumental version? Again? What the f*** is going on at Queen Productions Ltd.?
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Post by cmi on Aug 20, 2023 19:21:19 GMT
Instrumental version is ok. But why 2011 remaster once again after 12 years...?
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Aug 20, 2023 23:11:34 GMT
Instrumental version is ok. But why 2011 remaster once again after 12 years...? I don't know... Maybe they're just too lazy to work on the track... 0% cost 0% work 100% earnings. Do you all think that we need another remaster? IMO we don't need it... look what pink floyd did with the 50th of darkside... they did a new remaster but the previous one sounds better. It would be interesting to do a whole remaster work from the original analog tapes but it is impossible cause some of them (killers, the game) are damaged or lost
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Post by manymilesaway on Aug 21, 2023 12:32:55 GMT
I'm so fucking tired of the 2011 remasters, a lot of them aren't even that good
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Post by manymilesaway on Aug 21, 2023 12:36:09 GMT
It would be interesting to do a whole remaster work from the original analog tapes but it is impossible cause some of them (killers) are damaged or lost I'm convinced that this is just some QPL PR bullshit as to why they don't want to release anything Live Killers, when in reality, it's just because Freddie's vocals aren't good. The fact that GB was talking about doing a LK boxset a few years ago, means that there's atleast SOMETHING to work with
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Aug 21, 2023 16:08:19 GMT
It would be interesting to do a whole remaster work from the original analog tapes but it is impossible cause some of them (killers) are damaged or lost I'm convinced that this is just some QPL PR bullshit as to why they don't want to release anything Live Killers, when in reality, it's just because Freddie's vocals aren't good. The fact that GB was talking about doing a LK boxset a few years ago, means that there's atleast SOMETHING to work with I agree. It's curious that they released SHA and FBG from Paris 1979, they have an amazing quality so maybe that gig could be part of the lk boxset. On the other hand, if they recorded almost all the european shows and then overdubbed vocals in studio could be the proof that you're telling the truth: they don't want to release anything Live Killers for a specific reason (Freddie vocals?). I have to say that some albums remastered in 2011 sound better than others (news of the world sounds great, hot space not so much IMO). I think, again, this is due to the original analog masters... If the remasters come from a digital copy it's completely different from remastering the original analog reel. (Same thing you said for the JEMS Seattle audio, if you have the original untouched tape)
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Post by georg on Aug 21, 2023 18:06:11 GMT
It can’t be Freddie’s vocal preventing them from releasing a Live Killers box; they could simply patch in another vocal from another night.
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Aug 21, 2023 18:24:14 GMT
It can’t be Freddie’s vocal preventing them from releasing a Live Killers box; they could simply patch in another vocal from another night. Yes, that's true, but the dout remains: why back in 1979 they overdubbed the vocal tracks in studio? Maybe in order to raise the level of vocal range?
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Post by georg on Aug 21, 2023 20:49:38 GMT
It can’t be Freddie’s vocal preventing them from releasing a Live Killers box; they could simply patch in another vocal from another night. Yes, that's true, but the dout remains: why back in 1979 they overdubbed the vocal tracks in studio? Maybe in order to raise the level of vocal range? Well, they had a singer who was alive then who could do those kinds of overdubs, and they probably felt at the time that the performances necessitated that kind of attention, be it vocal volume, a voice crack, bum note, etc. Nowadays their singer can't do that, so they patch stuff in from other shows. They did that too with Live Killers – I think Brighton Rock is from four or five shows, for example – but only certain segments of songs and not specific instrumentation or vocals.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 21, 2023 21:04:54 GMT
It can’t be Freddie’s vocal preventing them from releasing a Live Killers box; they could simply patch in another vocal from another night. This ^ It's not like QPL haven't "got previous" for doing a Thin Lizzy Live & Dangerous. My 2¢ : They've ventured into some of the "live antiquity" and it didn't yield the financial return they expected. So these days they're focusing on live LPs with AL. Nowadays their singer can't do that, so they patch stuff in from other shows. They did that too with Live Killers – I think Brighton Rock is from four or five shows, for example – but only certain segments of songs and not specific instrumentation or vocals. and not forgetting, that for Don't Stop Me Now they patched in Freddie's vocals from his rendition of the song from an after-show bar session after 20 double-vodkas at 2am in the morning.
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Post by manymilesaway on Aug 22, 2023 2:28:43 GMT
It can’t be Freddie’s vocal preventing them from releasing a Live Killers box; they could simply patch in another vocal from another night. Of course, but the problem is that Freddie's vocals were substandard for pretty much every show that they multitracked. Live Killers' initial release had overdubs that worked because Freddie was there to go over the vocal when he was in better shape, obviously these days he can't do that.
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Post by saintjiub on Aug 22, 2023 4:14:10 GMT
It can’t be Freddie’s vocal preventing them from releasing a Live Killers box; they could simply patch in another vocal from another night. Of course, but the problem is that Freddie's vocals were substandard for pretty much every show that they multitracked. Live Killers' initial release had overdubs that worked because Freddie was there to go over the vocal when he was in better shape, obviously these days he can't do that. Was Freddie definitely overdubbed for Live Killers?
Real Wizard did a Live Killers analysis a ways back, and he counted at least 7 different concerts which were used for Live Killers.
I would think that Freddie could not have his voice crack in the same song at the same time with seven different concerts for Queen to use ...
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Post by pg on Aug 22, 2023 6:25:03 GMT
How did we get from Cool Cat to Live Killers?
Presumably the usual - someone speculating about box sets.
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Post by Dry Paint Dealer Undr on Aug 22, 2023 8:48:42 GMT
Of course, but the problem is that Freddie's vocals were substandard for pretty much every show that they multitracked. Live Killers' initial release had overdubs that worked because Freddie was there to go over the vocal when he was in better shape, obviously these days he can't do that. Was Freddie definitely overdubbed for Live Killers?
Real Wizard did a Live Killers analysis a ways back, and he counted at least 7 different concerts which were used for Live Killers.
I would think that Freddie could not have his voice crack in the same song at the same time with seven different concerts for Queen to use ...
Yes, he was overdubbed, there are points where both his vocal tone and the quality of the microphone change quite noticeably.
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Post by oreno on Aug 22, 2023 13:00:19 GMT
How did we get from Cool Cat to Live Killers? Presumably the usual - someone speculating about box sets. Replies 43-46 are the culprits lol. Also, remember that Terry Pratchett book where every cassette left in a car eventually turns into Queen Greatest Hits? That also happens here with some threads..
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Post by JackG on Aug 22, 2023 13:40:19 GMT
How did we get from Cool Cat to Live Killers? Presumably the usual - someone speculating about box sets. Replies 43-46 are the culprits lol. Also, remember that Terry Pratchett book where every cassette left in a car eventually turns into Queen Greatest Hits? That also happens here with some threads.. Nice reference
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Aug 22, 2023 14:47:43 GMT
How did we get from Cool Cat to Live Killers? Presumably the usual - someone speculating about box sets. My "fault"! I am not speculating about any boxset but simply talkin about the original analog master tapes used for remasters... I mentioned Live killers because i knew that the original masters were lost somewhere or damaged... We don't know about the Hot space master, but i was just theorizing why the 2011 remaster of hot space (and cool cat) is not that great IMO.
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Post by manymilesaway on Aug 22, 2023 18:29:57 GMT
Of course, but the problem is that Freddie's vocals were substandard for pretty much every show that they multitracked. Live Killers' initial release had overdubs that worked because Freddie was there to go over the vocal when he was in better shape, obviously these days he can't do that. Was Freddie definitely overdubbed for Live Killers?
Real Wizard did a Live Killers analysis a ways back, and he counted at least 7 different concerts which were used for Live Killers.
I would think that Freddie could not have his voice crack in the same song at the same time with seven different concerts for Queen to use ...
He absolutely was. There's no way he'd go for a C5 and the Bb4s in We Are The Champions on the Jazz tour of all tours Chinwonder2 has a masterful analysis of Live Killers that goes over just how unfaithful it actually was. It's so stuffed of studio overdubbing, that Roger himself has made fun of the album, saying "The only thing 'live' on Live Killers is the bass drum"
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