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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 10, 2024 17:57:44 GMT
That’s the thing, Brian spoke about the Rainbow release then Greg Brooks started talking about it like it was something unexpected. Greg Brooks also told the world about the Live Killers box set, so where’s that? Well, it's right next to my copy of Queen Anthology, of course. when did Ikea start selling "invisible bookcases"?
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 11, 2024 3:11:33 GMT
I’ve never understood what changed in the last 5-10 years that means those bootleg releases (for numerous bands) are seemingly allowed to happen now. In British copyright law, the copyright runs out after 50 years, and anyone can monetize things that are out there. Artists (well, their labels) decide to cash in so they can beat others to the punch. Coming soon to a streaming service near you: a bunch of bands releasing concerts from 1975.
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Post by manymilesaway on May 11, 2024 5:43:57 GMT
I’ve never understood what changed in the last 5-10 years that means those bootleg releases (for numerous bands) are seemingly allowed to happen now. In British copyright law, the copyright runs out after 50 years, and anyone can monetize things that are out there. Artists (well, their labels) decide to cash in so they can beat others to the punch. Coming soon to a streaming service near you: a bunch of bands releasing concerts from 1975. I'd heard about that- would that mean Queen I and II are already public domain in Britain?
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 11, 2024 5:53:14 GMT
In British copyright law, the copyright runs out after 50 years, and anyone can monetize things that are out there. Artists (well, their labels) decide to cash in so they can beat others to the punch. Coming soon to a streaming service near you: a bunch of bands releasing concerts from 1975. I'd heard about that- would that mean Queen I and II are already public domain in Britain? I meant things that already haven't been copyrighted, like audience tapes ! Someone still owns the publishing and songwriting royalties can be doled out, so they become fair game too.
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Post by jjmillenium on May 11, 2024 6:14:39 GMT
That copyright law of 50 years is if the album or movie is not rereleased on 50 years
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Post by dysan on May 11, 2024 7:26:46 GMT
This is why we're getting a huge amount of 'copyright' dumps of 50 year old unreleased material from everyone from The Stones, Dylan, Bowie, Beach Boys. I'm sure Queen have done / will do the same. Stick stuff up for streaming for a day under a different band name so no one finds it. If you're handy searching the PPL Repertoire database some interesting stuff shows up. All the 100 Great Bootlegs series material from 2005 is copyrighted, for example.
I believe these new bootleggers fall into the same bracket as 90s Protection Gap releases. It might have changed a bit, but essentially, if it's a Japanese label, they're free to make a CD with a recording of a non-Japanese show. If it's an American label vice versa. This is why you used to get slightly vague information on these CDs. 'Live In Europe' etc. Or remember that Queen 'Live In The USA' CD which had a Japanese show on it? They're being a bit brazen about it now so it must have changed.
These companies do hold money for the artists in their local collection agencies to sidestep any legality, but whether artists actively collect it is a different matter. It's technically above board, no matter how dubious they are. I remember seeing CD bootlegs in major retailers in the late 80s / early 90s so it's not a new thing. It's kinda fascinating how it works, but still quite shocking.
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Post by leighburne on May 11, 2024 7:52:35 GMT
In British copyright law, the copyright runs out after 50 years, and anyone can monetize things that are out there. Artists (well, their labels) decide to cash in so they can beat others to the punch. A lot of these bootleg live albums floating around are of concerts less than 50 years old though.
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 11, 2024 8:27:58 GMT
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 11, 2024 8:29:38 GMT
In British copyright law, the copyright runs out after 50 years, and anyone can monetize things that are out there. Artists (well, their labels) decide to cash in so they can beat others to the punch. A lot of these bootleg live albums floating around are of concerts less than 50 years old though. Which ones exactly ? Maybe they're out there for some other reason.
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Post by awordinyourear on May 11, 2024 8:32:43 GMT
In British copyright law, the copyright runs out after 50 years, and anyone can monetize things that are out there. Artists (well, their labels) decide to cash in so they can beat others to the punch. Coming soon to a streaming service near you: a bunch of bands releasing concerts from 1975. I'd heard about that- would that mean Queen I and II are already public domain in Britain? I think the UK copyright law for music changed from 50 years to 70 years about 12 years ago after the artist "Cliff Richard's" early music was nearing the "Public domain" 50 year mark. Cliff's case was, that he was still a performing artist and why should other people be able to make money from his work. He won the case and he and other artists now have a 70 year life span for their music. In Queen's case their first album won't be in the public domain until 2043... The new ruling is informally known as "Cliff's Law"...... Bootlegs on the other hand, if a concert was broadcast say on the radio, a bylaw allows, that said recording can legally be sold in record stores, even though it's unofficial, that's why you see so many recordings in official outlets like HMV or Amazon... Concerts not broadcast (Say an audience recording) remains the property of the artists/record lable...
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Post by leighburne on May 11, 2024 9:15:40 GMT
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Post by ThomasQuinn on May 11, 2024 9:29:53 GMT
Copyright on a radio broadcast expires 50 years after the original airing in most life+70 years copyright jurisdictions, provided the contents have not seen an official release otherwise. The same applies to certain other unreleased recordings - hence, for instance, the trick a couple of years ago when all unissued Bob Dylan studio recordings were 'released' on a single copy of 'the copyright collection', simply to extend copyright protection.
The Live In Japan one might possibly be a reissue, but I doubt it. Sun City is obviously a bootleg. The fact that it's offered for sale doesn't automatically mean it respects copyright laws. The last two links above are from an external seller offering items through Amazon, not Amazon itself. The Buenos Aires one puzzles me.
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Post by Lord Fickle on May 11, 2024 9:40:23 GMT
I have bought a couple of these (not the ones above) in the past. I think one was Houston, but the quality was no better than we already have available to us.
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Post by pg on May 11, 2024 14:35:47 GMT
All the 100 Great Bootlegs series material from 2005 is copyrighted, for example. All of them, or all 37 of the ones they bothered with, before stopping after realising that they were A) repeating themselves because they had no clue what any given bootleg was. B) breaking copyright by issuing material copyrighted (at the time) to the BBC and Saul Swimmer, because they had no clue what any given bootleg was. Just because I never miss a chance to revisit that wound...
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Post by vh on May 11, 2024 15:10:30 GMT
All the 100 Great Bootlegs series material from 2005 is copyrighted, for example. All of them, or all 37 of the ones they bothered with, before stopping after realising that they were A) repeating themselves because they had no clue what any given bootleg was. B) breaking copyright by issuing material copyrighted (at the time) to the BBC and Saul Swimmer, because they had no clue what any given bootleg was. Just because I never miss a chance to revisit that wound... Is reason A a glaring example of Greg Brooks’ brilliant archiving work? 😎!
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Post by The Real Wizard on May 11, 2024 16:53:04 GMT
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Post by pg on May 12, 2024 8:11:07 GMT
Is reason A a glaring example of Greg Brooks’ brilliant archiving work? 😎! Not particularly. He makes himself an easy target sometimes, but I don't assume that every inaccuracy is his doing.
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Post by vh on May 12, 2024 10:35:15 GMT
Is reason A a glaring example of Greg Brooks’ brilliant archiving work? 😎! Not particularly. He makes himself an easy target sometimes, but I don't assume that every inaccuracy is his doing. But surely as an archivist and a writer it’s his job to achieve accurate detailing in what he does. He certainly makes himself an easy target, but he has become a target for a reason.
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Post by leighburne on May 12, 2024 11:22:25 GMT
The fact that it's offered for sale doesn't automatically mean it respects copyright laws. I’m not suggesting it does. The opposite in fact - I’m questioning how/why these releases can seemingly be so open these days. You never used to see obviously unofficial releases like that all over Amazon. I’ve even found them in brick-and-mortar shops before.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on May 12, 2024 15:00:33 GMT
Not particularly. He makes himself an easy target sometimes, but I don't assume that every inaccuracy is his doing. But surely as an archivist and a writer it’s his job to achieve accurate detailing in what he does. He certainly makes himself an easy target, but he has become a target for a reason. he's QPL's very own Minister For Misinformation
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Post by pg on May 12, 2024 15:08:43 GMT
Not particularly. He makes himself an easy target sometimes, but I don't assume that every inaccuracy is his doing. But surely as an archivist and a writer it’s his job to achieve accurate detailing in what he does. He certainly makes himself an easy target, but he has become a target for a reason. We don't know how involved he was allowed to be in that particular shit show. Maybe he was "accurately detailing" studio recordings at that time...
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Post by vh on May 12, 2024 16:34:28 GMT
But surely as an archivist and a writer it’s his job to achieve accurate detailing in what he does. He certainly makes himself an easy target, but he has become a target for a reason. he's QPL's very own Minister For Misinformation That’s certainly what it feels like! At that he certainly seems to be the right man for the job.
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Post by vh on May 12, 2024 16:42:40 GMT
But surely as an archivist and a writer it’s his job to achieve accurate detailing in what he does. He certainly makes himself an easy target, but he has become a target for a reason. We don't know how involved he was allowed to be in that particular shit show. Maybe he was "accurately detailing" studio recordings at that time... That’s a possibility, but I still believe it’s down to how well he manages the task, and then how he chooses to go public and about what.
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Post by fcb101 on May 18, 2024 17:58:24 GMT
I really love the John Lennon solo output and must say I'm very pleased with the way they put out box sets. There's now a very expensive Mind Games box coming but the regular deluxe version is affordable. And it includes the album (ultimate mixes now made) and lots of wonderful and interesting extra's (elements mixes, outtakes, evolution documentaries) Also, ALL the audio is available in hi res on 2 blu-rays!
It's a pity Queen doesn't apply any logics for their releases. Following the pattern of those Lennon sets would give us high quality Queen stuff and loads of it.
And Queen have the luxury of having loads of live stuff too (unlike Lennon). Make box sets for the different eras, offer shows as audio only downloads.
And why do they not release anything fancy for record store day, for example a Live Aid picture disc (or 1 side etched) or the raw sessions disc from NOTW or the Miracle on coloured vinyl? And something unheard and truly rare from time to time? Just releases to keep things interesting and keep Queen in the eye of the general music collectors.
I'm 100% sure there's shitloads of great stuff (live and studio) in the archives. Just bring it on! Tell the story in books with essays and pictures...
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Post by disco_mart on May 20, 2024 13:13:18 GMT
I really love the John Lennon solo output and must say I'm very pleased with the way they put out box sets. There's now a very expensive Mind Games box coming but the regular deluxe version is affordable. And it includes the album (ultimate mixes now made) and lots of wonderful and interesting extra's (elements mixes, outtakes, evolution documentaries) Also, ALL the audio is available in hi res on 2 blu-rays! It's a pity Queen doesn't apply any logics for their releases. Following the pattern of those Lennon sets would give us high quality Queen stuff and loads of it. And Queen have the luxury of having loads of live stuff too (unlike Lennon). Make box sets for the different eras, offer shows as audio only downloads. And why do they not release anything fancy for record store day, for example a Live Aid picture disc (or 1 side etched) or the raw sessions disc from NOTW or the Miracle on coloured vinyl? And something unheard and truly rare from time to time? Just releases to keep things interesting and keep Queen in the eye of the general music collectors. I'm 100% sure there's shitloads of great stuff (live and studio) in the archives. Just bring it on! Tell the story in books with essays and pictures... I think JL being dead helps his record label here. His estate is obviously keen to cash-in before the generation who got into the Beatles are as dead as John and George. When Brian, Roger and John (especially the first two) have moved on, I think we'll see a lot of archive product released as their estates will likely also cash-in before the older Queen fans who would be the main consumers of things like this, die out too.
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Post by victor007 on Jun 9, 2024 21:48:30 GMT
anything new?
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Post by pg on Jun 10, 2024 17:44:05 GMT
Yes, you making everyone else think there was something new! And now me doing the same ....
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 10, 2024 17:57:16 GMT
We don't know how involved he was allowed to be in that particular shit show. Maybe he was "accurately detailing" studio recordings at that time... That’s a possibility, but I still believe it’s down to how well he manages the task, and then how he chooses to go public and about what. and - if his previous ramblings on QZone are anything to go by - i can imagine the detail of his archive database***: ID #..Description....Media...Date... 1........tape thingy....tape....unknown 2........tape thingy....tape....unknown 3........tape thingy....tape....unknown 4........tape thingy....tape....unknown 5........tape thingy....tape....unknown 6........tape thingy....tape....unknown 7........tape thingy....tape....unknown 8........tape thingy....tape....unknown 9........CD thingy......CD......unknown 10.......CD thingy......CD......unknown 11.......CD thingy......CD......unknown 12.......CD thingy......CD......unknown 13........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 14........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 15........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 16........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 17........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown etc etc etc etc x 15,000 *** Cigarette Packet
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Post by creepy on Jun 10, 2024 18:43:33 GMT
I really love the John Lennon solo output and must say I'm very pleased with the way they put out box sets. There's now a very expensive Mind Games box coming but the regular deluxe version is affordable. And it includes the album (ultimate mixes now made) and lots of wonderful and interesting extra's (elements mixes, outtakes, evolution documentaries) Also, ALL the audio is available in hi res on 2 blu-rays! It's a pity Queen doesn't apply any logics for their releases. Following the pattern of those Lennon sets would give us high quality Queen stuff and loads of it. And Queen have the luxury of having loads of live stuff too (unlike Lennon). Make box sets for the different eras, offer shows as audio only downloads. And why do they not release anything fancy for record store day, for example a Live Aid picture disc (or 1 side etched) or the raw sessions disc from NOTW or the Miracle on coloured vinyl? And something unheard and truly rare from time to time? Just releases to keep things interesting and keep Queen in the eye of the general music collectors. I'm 100% sure there's shitloads of great stuff (live and studio) in the archives. Just bring it on! Tell the story in books with essays and pictures... In 2022, that is, 4 days ago, Queen published a box set that included an entire studio CD with unreleased recordings and another CD that included 6 completely unreleased songs. It seems to me that some of you have a short memory. I have no doubt that if Queen released a colored vinyl of Live Aid on Record Store Day 2025, it would receive negative reviews. I think that "The Miracle" box set was a fantastic launch, the thing is that you have to value things minimally. The 6 unreleased songs in that box are not disposable Kleenex, they are good songs that should be valued positively (I think).
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Post by vh on Jun 10, 2024 22:14:01 GMT
That’s a possibility, but I still believe it’s down to how well he manages the task, and then how he chooses to go public and about what. and - if his previous ramblings on QZone are anything to go by - i can imagine the detail of his archive database***: ID #..Description....Media...Date... 1........tape thingy....tape....unknown 2........tape thingy....tape....unknown 3........tape thingy....tape....unknown 4........tape thingy....tape....unknown 5........tape thingy....tape....unknown 6........tape thingy....tape....unknown 7........tape thingy....tape....unknown 8........tape thingy....tape....unknown 9........CD thingy......CD......unknown 10.......CD thingy......CD......unknown 11.......CD thingy......CD......unknown 12.......CD thingy......CD......unknown 13........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 14........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 15........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 16........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown 17........7" thingy......vinyl...unknown etc etc etc etc x 15,000 *** Cigarette Packet Doesn’t thingy imply he knows it’s something! Quite a big step for him!
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