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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2024 14:03:05 GMT
Nothing. But they're also not great. Nowhere near the quality of Let Me In Your Heart Again. I like YBTM. Lovely little melody that could have been developed. Indeed it's pretty, and it could've ended up on one of Brian's solo albums if he felt like it was as good as other stuff he was writing, but he still gave it a pass. He even chose "I'm Scared" and a cover tune over it. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2024 14:07:36 GMT
Thin Lizzy does not provide any previously unheard studio songs on the box. In my opinion, after all the live albums that Queen has released, I prefer an album of studio sessions, including 6 unknown songs, than 7 live CDs. The Thin Lizzy box set is okay, I have no objections, but the "The miracle" box set is also a good release (that's what I think). The Thin Lizzy box has something that the "The miracle" box does not have and vice versa. The Thin Lizzy Rock Legends box set contained 74 previously unreleased tracks, including studio recordings and demos. www.loudersound.com/news/all-74-unreleased-tracks-on-thin-lizzys-rock-legends-box-set-revealed |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2024 14:18:56 GMT
Would anyone like Queen to release a big box set with hours and hours of studio sessions and live recordings? I wouldn't like that, firstly, because they would leave the file almost empty and, secondly, because we couldn't expect anything new for the future. I think it's nice to think that there is still some unknown gem yet to see the light of day (even if that never happens). If you think about it, since 1991, more than 20 unreleased Queen songs have been released (Made in heaven, No one but you, the 3 songs from the album "Forever", All dead all dead, Feelins', the 6 songs from "The miracle", and some more that have left me in the pipeline. More than 20 songs. I think it's not bad at all. Kind regards. - YES! While I'm still around to hear it! No doubt when Brian and Roger are gone, bottoms of barrels will truly be scraped. Let's have the stuff now, whilst there's still some quality control. |
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Post by pg on Aug 31, 2024 14:49:15 GMT
I like YBTM. Lovely little melody that could have been developed. Indeed it's pretty, and it could've ended up on one of Brian's solo albums if he felt like it was as good as other stuff he was writing, but he still gave it a pass. He even chose "I'm Scared" and a cover tune over it. From his POV, it had already been used. Anita's album..... |
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 31, 2024 15:01:23 GMT
as I suggested earlier, 2031 is the key date people. Every self-disrespecting Queen fan will be absolutely jizzing themselves as the date draws near. Who in their right mind will be able to contain their euphoria when Queen : Greatest Hits @50 finally hits the stores, resplendent with exclusive Gold typeface and framing, 4x Vinyl deluxe 180g vinyl LPs: ♦ LP1 1: Original 1981 Pressing ♦ LP2 : Remastered 2024 Pressing ♦ LP3 : Alternate Versions ♦ LP4 : Live Thru The Ages with ONE previously unreleased track!  |
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Post by creepy on Aug 31, 2024 15:01:28 GMT
Thin Lizzy does not provide any previously unheard studio songs on the box. In my opinion, after all the live albums that Queen has released, I prefer an album of studio sessions, including 6 unknown songs, than 7 live CDs. The Thin Lizzy box set is okay, I have no objections, but the "The miracle" box set is also a good release (that's what I think). The Thin Lizzy box has something that the "The miracle" box does not have and vice versa. The Thin Lizzy Rock Legends box set contained 74 previously unreleased tracks, including studio recordings and demos. www.loudersound.com/news/all-74-unreleased-tracks-on-thin-lizzys-rock-legends-box-set-revealedIt's OK. I don't know Thin Lizzy's career in depth, so I don't know how many of those 74 unreleased tracks are songs never heard before (like "Face it alone"). Either way, it's a good release, there's no doubt about it. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 31, 2024 15:34:58 GMT
First, "We want it all, We want it now"! Secondly, The Bigger, the better in everything ;-) Your lack of understanding makes me think that you are from the generation of new fans who came after concerts of Queen with Lambert or Paul Rodgers. I think many will disagree with you that the News of the World and The Miracle box sets are real gems because they were incomplete in one way or another. For example: NOTW box set: Where is the 1977 Houston concert? If I'm not mistaken, the audio soundcheck from the 1975 Hammersmith Odeon(Now I'm Here)added in this box, despite the fact that these are different years. Yeah, the Raw Sessions were great, but the rest of the material could have been made more interesting. Somehow made it into this box set. This could justify the price, and attract more buyers and fewer complaints about the fact that it is not a complete set again. As for the Miracle Box Set: Here I agree with you more that it is a real gem, but again, the claims are quite justified. For example, the choice of Face it Alone as a single to advertise a box set, given that the song itself was deprived of some important and interesting moments. We have all heard the demo version of this song many times and imagined that it would come out more or less in this version, but what released is what released. Therefore, our complaints are completely justified, since we vote with our money. Yes, after the release of Queen I box set we will continue to complain, especially if the release does not live up to our expectations. Both the NOTW and Miracle boxes tried to treat their alternate sessions and demos as if they were finallised songs. Some of the steps in that process, i.e. mixing, are okay but the others make me wonder if they actually wanted to release them at all, nobody in their right mind expects a demo to sound like a finalised song, so what's the point in cutting it down and lathering it in pitch correction. Not only does that make the authentisity worse, it make the tracks sound horrible to listen to in some cases, I don't expect to hear pitch correction artifacts in material this old especially not material that would usually be intended for hardcore fans who wouldn't care if one note is slightly out of tune hell, I doubt even the average person would care because they might not be even able to notice a difference. While I did enjoy both of the boxes there is still plenty to complain about. Half asleep I thought you decided to criticize what I wrote. After reading it I don't even know what to say or add. I would like to say one thing, I would also like to hear rough versions, not polished to a shine. I think Queen, with her reputation, has nothing to fear and can just release a demo without autotune or editing. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 31, 2024 15:38:39 GMT
First, "We want it all, We want it now"! Secondly, The Bigger, the better in everything ;-) Your lack of understanding makes me think that you are from the generation of new fans who came after concerts of Queen with Lambert or Paul Rodgers. Creepy made an entirely valid point that has already been proven true many times - people have been speculating about some unknown future release IN BETWEEN announcement of something tangible and release of same. "Your lack of understanding" is patronising and hopelessly inaccurate. For context, I've been buying Queen records since 1986. Oh lord! I just expressed my opinion and if it comes down to it, then sometimes I also don't understand all these complaints. But sometimes a person wakes up in me who wants to grumble at someone or something. I didn't want to offend you in any way. Peace? |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2024 15:40:51 GMT
It's OK. I don't know Thin Lizzy's career in depth, so I don't know how many of those 74 unreleased tracks are songs never heard before (like "Face it alone"). Either way, it's a good release, there's no doubt about it. I'm just using Thin Lizzy to illustrate that other bands can produce box sets with a lot more unreleased material than Queen do. You seem to think 20 tracks since 1991 is good going. Do you now see why people might disagree? |
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 31, 2024 15:45:59 GMT
I was born in 1980. I have been listening to Queen for more than 35 years. I'm not a new fan as you suspect. In fact, it seems to me that the worst thing Queen has done in the last 30 years is the movie. I'm just trying to value things in their fair measure. Nothing more than that. Queen is a band that stopped recording new songs in 1991. Some (or many) of those who complain that the "News of the World" box set does not include "Houston" would still complain if it had included it. You'd be saying "why is only Houston included if there are more concerts recorded?" At the time, many people were looking forward to hearing "Face It Alone." After listening to it, they don't like the song anymore. They are waiting for another album to be released because, this time, it will be worth it. If you didn't like the previous two boxes, you won't like the "Queen I" one either. Finally, I liked what you said about "the bigger and the better... in everything." Kind regards. Let's make peace? I don't want to quarrel with anyone. Everyone has their own point of view. I sometimes forget about that. Oh, well thank God you at least liked something in my comment. |
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Post by creepy on Aug 31, 2024 15:55:58 GMT
It's OK. I don't know Thin Lizzy's career in depth, so I don't know how many of those 74 unreleased tracks are songs never heard before (like "Face it alone"). Either way, it's a good release, there's no doubt about it. I'm just using Thin Lizzy to illustrate that other bands can produce box sets with a lot more unreleased material than Queen do. You seem to think 20 tracks since 1991 is good going. Do you now see why people might disagree? Everyone can say what they want. What I don't understand, and I'm sorry to repeat the same thing as before, is that Queen releases a box set like "The Miracle", with a CD that includes an hour of unreleased studio recordings + 6 songs never heard before, and immediately after, there are people who wonder when Queen is going to release something worthwhile. I'm sorry to repeat myself so much, but I think that the music that has been released over the last few years should not be used as something to be thrown away. Finally, I don't know the number of unreleased songs that Thin Lizzy has released over the last 30 years, but I doubt they are more than the more than 20 that Queen has released. In fact, I would like to know if there is at least one song in that Thin Lizzy box that is unknown to the public. Whitesnake has published box sets in recent years and the number of unheard songs that these boxes include is practically none, although there are many demos of well-known songs (very uninteresting from my point of view). In short, 20 unreleased songs is better than none. |
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Post by creepy on Aug 31, 2024 16:13:03 GMT
I was born in 1980. I have been listening to Queen for more than 35 years. I'm not a new fan as you suspect. In fact, it seems to me that the worst thing Queen has done in the last 30 years is the movie. I'm just trying to value things in their fair measure. Nothing more than that. Queen is a band that stopped recording new songs in 1991. Some (or many) of those who complain that the "News of the World" box set does not include "Houston" would still complain if it had included it. You'd be saying "why is only Houston included if there are more concerts recorded?" At the time, many people were looking forward to hearing "Face It Alone." After listening to it, they don't like the song anymore. They are waiting for another album to be released because, this time, it will be worth it. If you didn't like the previous two boxes, you won't like the "Queen I" one either. Finally, I liked what you said about "the bigger and the better... in everything." Kind regards. Let's make peace? I don't want to quarrel with anyone. Everyone has their own point of view. I sometimes forget about that. Oh, well thank God you at least liked something in my comment. Everything's OK, mate. We can confront opinions without any problem. I appreciate yours kind words. Kind regards. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 31, 2024 16:20:56 GMT
Well, but for NOTW they release as a "single", with a video the Freddie take of All Dead All Dead...maybe something like that? Somebody told on youtube than any videos of the demo of Polar Bear seems to take it down... it could be a possibility I'm not sure if this is a demo, but this is what's left with Freddie's vocals on YouTube Also they did WWRY and WATC as a single if I'm not mistaken |
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 31, 2024 16:24:34 GMT
Yes, I think they could make a proper mix of Polar Bear from several takes they recorded to make it a single-type song for promotion of the forthcoming box set. It would be nice. If of course this album was chosen for the next release as a box set. It's just that Freddie's birthday party will be decorated in the style of the 80s and a little bit from the album The Works |
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Post by yourkindalover on Aug 31, 2024 17:21:16 GMT
Yes, I think they could make a proper mix of Polar Bear from several takes they recorded to make it a single-type song for promotion of the forthcoming box set. It would be nice. If of course this album was chosen for the next release as a box set. It's just that Freddie's birthday party will be decorated in the style of the 80s and a little bit from the album The Works honestly, I'd be more interested in a box set of The Works. There is a lot to uncover, like the (rumoured) Freddie vocal version of Man on Fire, Whipping Boy, band version of Man Made Paradise, Let Me Live with Rod Stewart etc... But that would be way too spoiling I guess |
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Post by airpodsmax on Aug 31, 2024 17:32:10 GMT
If of course this album was chosen for the next release as a box set. It's just that Freddie's birthday party will be decorated in the style of the 80s and a little bit from the album The Works honestly, I'd be more interested in a box set of The Works. There is a lot to uncover, like the (rumoured) Freddie vocal version of Man on Fire, Whipping Boy, band version of Man Made Paradise, Let Me Live with Rod Stewart etc... But that would be way too spoiling I guess You forgot Tibet 🙃🤣 You forgot about Back to Storm also. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2024 18:18:41 GMT
Indeed it's pretty, and it could've ended up on one of Brian's solo albums if he felt like it was as good as other stuff he was writing, but he still gave it a pass. He even chose "I'm Scared" and a cover tune over it. From his POV, it had already been used. Anita's album..... That song isn't in the track listing. Or did it assume some other form ? |
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Post by manymilesaway on Sept 1, 2024 10:58:11 GMT
If there was to be a QII box, I'd like to have proper stand alone versions of Ogre / FFMS / Nevermore / MOTBQ and FHLI, as these were obviously knitted together during mixing / production so they must have separately recorded versions. Ogre Battle and The March Of The Black Queen have standalone mixes that were released on Queen - Deep Cuts Nevermore also has a standalone edit on Queen Forever (2014) but that was done by simply cutting out the transitioning piano from The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke. I think that's how they actually performed it anyway, because the piano from Fairy Fellers sounds like a different recording. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 1, 2024 11:06:28 GMT
If there was to be a QII box, I'd like to have proper stand alone versions of Ogre / FFMS / Nevermore / MOTBQ and FHLI, as these were obviously knitted together during mixing / production so they must have separately recorded versions. Ogre Battle and The March Of The Black Queen have standalone mixes that were released on Queen - Deep Cuts Nevermore also has a standalone edit on Queen Forever (2014) but that was done by simply cutting out the transitioning piano from The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke. I think that's how they actually performed it anyway, because the piano from Fairy Fellers sounds like a different recording. Yes, I have Deep Cuts, of course, but the version of MOTBQ had a bit of a botched ending, just cutting off the backing track to leave the acapalla vocal. I'm sure they must have a version with a full ending, without the segue into FHLI, and similarly, a version of FHLI with a 'clean' intro. |
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Post by lefthandedguitarist on Sept 1, 2024 12:52:08 GMT
A complete standalone version of Funny How Love Is, with a clean intro, was also released on the Japanese 3" CD single for Seven Seas of Rhye in 1991.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 1, 2024 13:24:22 GMT
A complete standalone version of Funny How Love Is, with a clean intro, was also released on the Japanese 3" CD single for Seven Seas of Rhye in 1991. Assuming this is correctly labelled, this has the closing note of the backing track from MOTBQ over the intro, so while it is a stand alone version, it's still technically not the fully clean intro. |
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Post by lefthandedguitarist on Sept 1, 2024 14:03:45 GMT
A complete standalone version of Funny How Love Is, with a clean intro, was also released on the Japanese 3" CD single for Seven Seas of Rhye in 1991. Assuming this is correctly labelled, this has the closing note of the backing track from MOTBQ over the intro, so while it is a stand alone version, it's still technically not the fully clean intro. Good ear! Part of me feels that it isn't obtrusive enough to discount as a "full" version of the song, but I can see what you mean about wanting a completely clean intro now. And yeah, the version of MOTBQ on Deep Cuts is a really rough job. I love the full version of Khashoggi's Ship on there, though. Speaking of standalone versions, I adore the complete edits of Tenement Funster and Flick of the Wrist from various single releases over the years. And getting super technical/nerdy, you need the single version of BoRhap to get a full edit of the song (easily available on Greatest Hits, of course) because the album version crossfades the gong with the drum roll from God Save the Queen. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Sept 1, 2024 15:14:04 GMT
Assuming this is correctly labelled, this has the closing note of the backing track from MOTBQ over the intro, so while it is a stand alone version, it's still technically not the fully clean intro. Good ear! Part of me feels that it isn't obtrusive enough to discount as a "full" version of the song, but I can see what you mean about wanting a completely clean intro now. And yeah, the version of MOTBQ on Deep Cuts is a really rough job. I love the full version of Khashoggi's Ship on there, though. Speaking of standalone versions, I adore the complete edits of Tenement Funster and Flick of the Wrist from various single releases over the years. And getting super technical/nerdy, you need the single version of BoRhap to get a full edit of the song (easily available on Greatest Hits, of course) because the album version crossfades the gong with the drum roll from God Save the Queen. And you need the US 7" mix to get the full unfaded intro to GSTQ. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Sept 1, 2024 15:57:36 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Queen I and Queen II should be released as a box set together? The material for the albums was written at the same time (if I'm not mistaken). Even if it's just Queen I, there should be some goodies from Queen II thrown in as a sort of bridge to the next box set, thus leaving a hint that Queen II will be the next box set. Oh, I seem to have forgotten that they're still with Universal and Queen Productions, not Sony.
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Post by ted on Sept 1, 2024 17:54:15 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Queen I and Queen II should be released as a box set together? The material for the albums was written at the same time (if I'm not mistaken). Even if it's just Queen I, there should be some goodies from Queen II thrown in as a sort of bridge to the next box set, thus leaving a hint that Queen II will be the next box set. Oh, I seem to have forgotten that they're still with Universal and Queen Productions, not Sony. I also would be in favour of a Q & QII box set and more so if it was priced lower than what the 2 albums would be if reissued as separate boxes or (S)DE's. Re. the timeframe(s) of writing the 1st 2 albums, the writing phase of SSOR of course was started and what was completed writing-wise was recorded and included on Q. I don't know if but haven't read about any other QII tracks having been written at the same time as the material on Q; I do know that other tracks were written or started/partly written prior to a previous album(s) having been recorded, rather than just prior to the album they appeared on.
Examples of this would be BR (written during the QII phase but recorded/released on SHA), SHA (Roger started writing it during the SHA phase but not recorded/released until NOTW) and TYMD (written by Brian in 1969 or thereabouts when Smile still existed but not recorded/released until ADATR).
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Sept 1, 2024 18:23:56 GMT
well i think it's fairly safe to assume that F2S, Ogre and SWAFIB were written prior to the II recording sessions. All 3 were setlist regulars from Sept-Nov 73 (which was the time II was being recorded).
I suspect the songs would need to be sufficiently complete to be in a state that they could be rehearsed prior to the tour?
PS: I read somewhere that "Ogre" had it's live debut at the Marquee Dec, 20, 1972.
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Post by pg on Sept 1, 2024 18:36:24 GMT
From his POV, it had already been used. Anita's album..... That song isn't in the track listing. Or did it assume some other form ? I meant LMIYHA,but now I see you meant YDFM...? |
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Post by mikusguitarius on Sept 1, 2024 19:18:22 GMT
Procession is slightly different on the Golders Green concert recording isn’t it? An earlier recording and/or an earlier mix.
Would make a nice bonus to include the studio recording of this (i.e. clean without audience noise) on the QII box set??
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Post by fireplace on Sept 1, 2024 21:33:41 GMT
Has the rumour machine now become a snake eating its own tail?
From Facebook:
Looks like the Queen I box set might be closer than we think. We would have a final tentative date for this year, as well as the one for The Miracle.
This box set will include a new mix made by Brian May, Roger Taylor and the original producer of the record John Anthony, who for several months had said on his private Facebook that he was working with the two of them as well as recording an interview.
The YouTube channel Queen Review states that a person from Universal Spain has told him that this set box is a reality even though it seems that it won't have much unreleased material.
It would include:
Queen I (2011 remaster)
Queen I (2024 mix/remaster en Dolby Atmos)
Demos / Raw Mixes of Songs
The De Lea Lane Demos (Out in 2011)
Instrumental
Some tracks from Rainbow ‘7
Some issues from Live At BBC
Possibly a DVD/Blue Ray with this material including promo videos from the time
A book as always
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Special request Mad The Swine original version (This song came out as the B side of Headlong as an unreleased track but apparently there is a different version)
Hangman (A track they played live but doesn't exist in studio version) - Here they could use AI like Peter Jackson's and make it sound like it was studio-
- Apparently a fan claims to have an original acetate of the song recorded in studio -
(We repeat, thanks to the Queen Review channel on YouTube for the information)
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Post by jjmillenium on Sept 2, 2024 5:14:13 GMT
Has the rumour machine now become a snake eating its own tail? From Facebook: Looks like the Queen I box set might be closer than we think. We would have a final tentative date for this year, as well as the one for The Miracle. This box set will include a new mix made by Brian May, Roger Taylor and the original producer of the record John Anthony, who for several months had said on his private Facebook that he was working with the two of them as well as recording an interview. The YouTube channel Queen Review states that a person from Universal Spain has told him that this set box is a reality even though it seems that it won't have much unreleased material. It would include: Queen I (2011 remaster) Queen I (2024 mix/remaster en Dolby Atmos) Demos / Raw Mixes of Songs The De Lea Lane Demos (Out in 2011) Instrumental Some tracks from Rainbow ‘7 Some issues from Live At BBC Possibly a DVD/Blue Ray with this material including promo videos from the time A book as always —— Special request Mad The Swine original version (This song came out as the B side of Headlong as an unreleased track but apparently there is a different version) Hangman (A track they played live but doesn't exist in studio version) - Here they could use AI like Peter Jackson's and make it sound like it was studio- - Apparently a fan claims to have an original acetate of the song recorded in studio - (We repeat, thanks to the Queen Review channel on YouTube for the information) That post is related to the info that I give you here a few days ago |
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