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Post by chowder on Aug 30, 2024 9:22:17 GMT
Which is odd. If I am not mistaken, a bootleg cd called In The Beginning, released by a Dutch couple in the 90s (I think), features these demo recordings in excellent quality as they were taken from a cassette which the band sent out to labels to secure a deal. Surely someone still has a copy of this cassette somewhere? Cassettes in early seventies sound like SciFi to me. But indeed I'd like to hear that bootleg. I just dug out the bootleg. It only says "tape" so it could very well be a reel to reel tape. Let me contact the maker and see if it can be clarified. I doubt they (well one died this year but I still regard them as a couple) still have the tape in their collection as they sold quite a lot (they are huge fans and even bigger collectors during their heydays).
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Post by faceitalone1991 on Aug 30, 2024 12:18:39 GMT
I lost contact with them the last few years.... Rinus and Marijan (I'm shocked you mentioned one of them died this year.... sorry to ask so bluntly, who died?)
I remember Rinus told me it was a reel to reel tape.... I think they sold it to Queen Productions, if I remember correctly.... back then QPL didn't even have their own 5 demo's.... they even didn't recall it were 5 songs, they thought it was 4....
Rinus and Marijan had more unique reel to reel tapes, my brother was a radio technician and lived in the same place as Rinus and Marijan.... they asked him to digitalize (and a bit of neutral remaster) some of their tapes....
I have to ask him whether he also did this one.... but it's been a long time since then, more then 20 years....
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Post by chowder on Aug 30, 2024 12:34:15 GMT
I lost contact with them the last few years.... Rinus and Marijan (I'm shocked you mentioned one of them died this year.... sorry to ask so bluntly, who died?) I remember Rinus told me it was a reel to reel tape.... I think they sold it to Queen Productions, if I remember correctly.... back then QPL didn't even have their own 5 demo's.... they even didn't recall it were 5 songs, they thought it was 4.... Rinus and Marijan had more unique reel to reel tapes, my brother was a radio technician and lived in the same place as Rinus and Marijan.... they asked him to digitalize (and a bit of neutral remaster) some of their tapes.... I have to ask him whether he also did this one.... but it's been a long time since then, more then 20 years....
Yes it is indeed that couple. Rinus unfortunately passed away on the 1st of Jan this year  If they sold it to QPL, then I wonder why they used Brian's acetate on the bonus EP in 2011 for these demos and not the reel to reel tape. I asked Marijan this morning about their demo tape, but no reply yet. You have however answered most of my questions  |
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Post by creepy on Aug 30, 2024 16:20:41 GMT
I was born in 1980. I have been listening to Queen for more than 35 years. I'm not a new fan as you suspect. In fact, it seems to me that the worst thing Queen has done in the last 30 years is the movie. I'm just trying to value things in their fair measure. Nothing more than that. Queen is a band that stopped recording new songs in 1991. Some (or many) of those who complain that the "News of the World" box set does not include "Houston" would still complain if it had included it. You'd be saying "why is only Houston included if there are more concerts recorded?" At the time, many people were looking forward to hearing "Face It Alone." After listening to it, they don't like the song anymore. They are waiting for another album to be released because, this time, it will be worth it. If you didn't like the previous two boxes, you won't like the "Queen I" one either. Finally, I liked what you said about "the bigger and the better... in everything." Kind regards. |
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Post by creepy on Aug 30, 2024 16:24:29 GMT
Well take a look at what Thin Lizzy have just released, then maybe you’ll have more of an understanding why some people are not that happy or at least believe that the Queen box sets could contain more. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the Thin Lizzy re-releases there is not a single unreleased song. "The miracle" had 6 unreleased songs. And it wasn't remixed because it probably didn't require it. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 30, 2024 16:32:27 GMT
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 30, 2024 16:47:22 GMT
creepy - please try to get the hang of using quotes. To use a quote from another post, click the Quote button next to the post you want to quote from, then add your comments underneath the box containing the quoted post. I have removed several of your posts which just contained quotes from other posts, with nothing added from yourself. Thanks.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 30, 2024 16:58:32 GMT
Some (or many) of those who complain that the "News of the World" box set does not include "Houston" would still complain if it had included it. You'd be saying "why is only Houston included if there are more concerts recorded?" That's hardly fair. We know they have Houston and it wouldn't have taken much to make it ready for release. If it had been included in the NOTW box, most of us would have been more than happy. I'd have been happier still if they'd produced a version that didn't force me to buy vinyl and other stuff I don't need, in order to get one CD of unreleased material. At the time, many people were looking forward to hearing "Face It Alone." After listening to it, they don't like the song anymore. They are waiting for another album to be released because, this time, it will be worth it. If you didn't like the previous two boxes, you won't like the "Queen I" one either Face It Alone was never a great song (in my opinion), and what they did with it, ommitting certain parts from the original demo, was I think what some people were critical of. It was also a strange choice for a single release, in that it wasn't very radio friendly. Of the unreleased tracks on The Miracle Box Set FIA wasn't the best of the bunch. |
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Post by pimderks on Aug 30, 2024 17:57:29 GMT
I for one cannot wait for the AI version FM In His Own Words.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 30, 2024 17:58:54 GMT
At the time, many people were looking forward to hearing "Face It Alone." After listening to it, they don't like the song anymore. "looking forward to" and "liking something" are not simultaneous events - they can't be. once is future, one is present. if you're currently "looking forward to" then, by default, you cannot have had the opportunity to like it. (it's impossible unless you have Herbert George's Time Machine) have you any idea how many millions upon millions of folk have "looked forward" to a new movie release, only to be completely underwhelmed/disappointed once they finally got to see said movie? anticipating something being good and ultimately being disappointed by the final reality are NOT events that are deemed mutually exclusive. hey are waiting for another album to be released because, this time, it will be worth it. If you didn't like the previous two boxes, you won't like the "Queen I" one either. you can't really say that, as it's NOT factually correct. sure there are a number of QPL releases that are underwhelming/disappointing for some, but not for everyone. for example, Fun In Space (and later, Strange Frontier) are the two great LPs that got me through the disappointment (The Game), anger (Hot Space), so what? (Works) and indifference (AKoM). |
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Post by oreno on Aug 30, 2024 18:50:21 GMT
Cassettes in early seventies sound like SciFi to me. But indeed I'd like to hear that bootleg. I just dug out the bootleg. It only says "tape" so it could very well be a reel to reel tape. Let me contact the maker and see if it can be clarified. I doubt they (well one died this year but I still regard them as a couple) still have the tape in their collection as they sold quite a lot (they are huge fans and even bigger collectors during their heydays).
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Interesting! To ask the obvious (yet curiously unasked) question - what does it sound like? In comparison with the acetate / expanded Queen I CD version? |
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Post by pg on Aug 30, 2024 19:41:44 GMT
I can't get over my astonishment. Queen's latest release has been a special box set of "The Miracle", which includes a CD with never-before-heard recordings and, in addition, 6 never-before-released songs. However, I read people asking "when Queen is going to release something worthwhile?". This is something you read on the forums over and over again. In the last 10 years, Queen has released albums such as "Rainbow", "Hammersmith Odeon", "Forever", "News of the world box" or "The miracle box". Many people use this music as if it were disposable Kleenex. I have no doubt that when the "Queen I" box set is published, THE NEXT DAY it will be said in this forum. "I didn't like it", "What is the next release going to be", "Let's hope the next release is the good one, not like the previous ones".... I don't understand how so much complaining is possible. I really don't understand it. First, "We want it all, We want it now"! Secondly, The Bigger, the better in everything ;-) Your lack of understanding makes me think that you are from the generation of new fans who came after concerts of Queen with Lambert or Paul Rodgers. Creepy made an entirely valid point that has already been proven true many times - people have been speculating about some unknown future release IN BETWEEN announcement of something tangible and release of same. "Your lack of understanding" is patronising and hopelessly inaccurate. For context, I've been buying Queen records since 1986. |
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Aug 31, 2024 0:05:35 GMT
I just dug out the bootleg. It only says "tape" so it could very well be a reel to reel tape. Let me contact the maker and see if it can be clarified. I doubt they (well one died this year but I still regard them as a couple) still have the tape in their collection as they sold quite a lot (they are huge fans and even bigger collectors during their heydays).
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Interesting! To ask the obvious (yet curiously unasked) question - what does it sound like? In comparison with the acetate / expanded Queen I CD version? Is there any rip of this source anywhere? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2024 1:10:39 GMT
That collection of unreleased songs that you are waiting for does not exist because they have never been recorded. Correct - the barrel has been scraped dry. If there were more good songs in the archives, we would've heard them by now. Without a doubt there are some phenomenal outtakes of existing great songs in the archives, but nothing decent in the realm of unreleased songs. But I guess this kind of hope keeps some people going. |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2024 1:11:34 GMT
Otherwise it was definitely a step up from the News of the World set. Whichever way you try and cut it, not including Houston in that at least as audio was inexcusable. Or any of the other shows from that tour that were taped at the board: 1977-11-12 Boston 1977-11-13 Springfield 1977-11-18 Detroit 1977-11-19 Detroit 1977-11-21 Toronto 1977-12-01 New York 1977-12-20 Long Beach (assuming that's what the copy in Peter Hince's collection is) 1977-12-22 Inglewood Even a two hour compilation of any number of those shows could've been possible, as they were in peak form on this tour. At least we've got audience tapes of most of these now. |
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Post by Egietje on Aug 31, 2024 1:24:04 GMT
That collection of unreleased songs that you are waiting for does not exist because they have never been recorded. Without a doubt there are some phenomenal outtakes of existing great songs in the archives, but nothing decent in the realm of unreleased songs. But I guess this kind of hope keeps some people going. Out of sheer curiosity - what was known about songs like Water and You Know You Belong To Me from the Miracle box before it released? |
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Post by The Real Wizard on Aug 31, 2024 3:37:43 GMT
Without a doubt there are some phenomenal outtakes of existing great songs in the archives, but nothing decent in the realm of unreleased songs. But I guess this kind of hope keeps some people going. Out of sheer curiosity - what was known about songs like Water and You Know You Belong To Me from the Miracle box before it released? Nothing. But they're also not great. Nowhere near the quality of Let Me In Your Heart Again. |
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Post by Dimitris on Aug 31, 2024 6:03:34 GMT
Queen archive is full of sound tapes, video tapes, film, soundboard tapes etc.
The money is on repackaging the catalogue and put in the baits like outtakes, live tracks , work in progress and instrumentals.
I believe there are some good demos, which never finished as completed song.
There is the BIG Deal, if they use a advanced technology A.I. for these demos with input from Brian and Roger (or without them).
The result is for the record company huge, new songs with new copyright and probably higher sales.
Sony in 2010 released a MJ album where the authenticity of the vocals on some songs was questioned.
The above act shows that Sony or any record lebel are able and willing to do.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Aug 31, 2024 6:24:09 GMT
we're now well into the period where some seminal LPs' 50th anniversaries will be with us.
it's hard to say (⅔ through 2024) whether and in what form any special edition of I&II, II&SHA or I&II&SHA may see the light of day.
I would venture that if the end of 2025 sees nothing for Opera, then all fan discussion on "boxsets" or "SpEds" can cease, because at that point it becomes it all becomes futile.
We'll have to (somehow) wait with bated breath the highly anticipated and eagerly awaited 2031 reissue "50th Anniversary Special Edition" Greatest Hits Boxset
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Post by jjmillenium on Aug 31, 2024 7:01:56 GMT
I guess if finally we will get the Queen I box this year, we will have the announce by the end of september or beggining of october. Do you think than they will do a "single" like they did for Face It Alone?
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Post by manymilesaway on Aug 31, 2024 7:30:31 GMT
I guess if finally we will get the Queen I box this year, we will have the announce by the end of september or beggining of october. Do you think than they will do a "single" like they did for Face It Alone? I don't think there's ANYTHING they could really use for that. They never did a serious studio take of Hangman, and the only completely unreleased Queen I song already came out in the '90s. |
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Post by jjmillenium on Aug 31, 2024 7:42:46 GMT
Well, but for NOTW they release as a "single", with a video the Freddie take of All Dead All Dead...maybe something like that? Somebody told on youtube than any videos of the demo of Polar Bear seems to take it down... it could be a possibility
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Post by cmi on Aug 31, 2024 8:55:57 GMT
Yes, I think they could make a proper mix of Polar Bear from several takes they recorded to make it a single-type song for promotion of the forthcoming box set. It would be nice.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2024 9:12:32 GMT
Out of sheer curiosity - what was known about songs like Water and You Know You Belong To Me from the Miracle box before it released? Nothing. But they're also not great. Nowhere near the quality of Let Me In Your Heart Again. I like YBTM. Lovely little melody that could have been developed. |
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Post by vh on Aug 31, 2024 9:24:30 GMT
I guess if finally we will get the Queen I box this year, we will have the announce by the end of september or beggining of october. Do you think than they will do a "single" like they did for Face It Alone? I don't think there's ANYTHING they could really use for that. They never did a serious studio take of Hangman, and the only completely unreleased Queen I song already came out in the '90s. There could be any number of unheard recordings from this and QII, unheard versions of songs or possibly one or two unheard songs. Roger was pretty vague about Hangman, he hadn’t remembered it then he did. He then said they did some work on it and kind of indicated they had a rough recording then said it wasn’t recorded. My guess is that it was recorded but never finished and could still see the light of day. Remember they thought enough of it for it to appear in several setlists it just seems strange that a song they’d composed and used live wasn’t recorded. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Aug 31, 2024 9:45:13 GMT
I don't think there's ANYTHING they could really use for that. They never did a serious studio take of Hangman, and the only completely unreleased Queen I song already came out in the '90s. There could be any number of unheard recordings from this and QII, unheard versions of songs or possibly one or two unheard songs. Roger was pretty vague about Hangman, he hadn’t remembered it then he did. He then said they did some work on it and kind of indicated they had a rough recording then said it wasn’t recorded. My guess is that it was recorded but never finished and could still see the light of day. Remember they thought enough of it for it to appear in several setlists it just seems strange that a song they’d composed and used live wasn’t recorded. I seem to recall some rumoured titles of unreleased tracks from around the QII sessions, but I can't remember what they were. I think there was a one word title (Woe?), and something like Living In The City, but that could just have been the end of MOTBQ. If there was to be a QII box, I'd like to have proper stand alone versions of Ogre / FFMS / Nevermore / MOTBQ and FHLI, as these were obviously knitted together during mixing / production so they must have separately recorded versions. |
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Post by katby on Aug 31, 2024 9:47:51 GMT
I was born in 1980. I have been listening to Queen for more than 35 years. I'm not a new fan as you suspect. In fact, it seems to me that the worst thing Queen has done in the last 30 years is the movie. I'm just trying to value things in their fair measure. Nothing more than that. Queen is a band that stopped recording new songs in 1991. Some (or many) of those who complain that the "News of the World" box set does not include "Houston" would still complain if it had included it. You'd be saying "why is only Houston included if there are more concerts recorded?" At the time, many people were looking forward to hearing "Face It Alone." After listening to it, they don't like the song anymore. They are waiting for another album to be released because, this time, it will be worth it. If you didn't like the previous two boxes, you won't like the "Queen I" one either. Finally, I liked what you said about "the bigger and the better... in everything." Kind regards.
I can only speak for myself, but my main issue with the News of the World box set was the disappointing Bob Harris documentary. He recorded full interviews with the band (individually and as a group), footage of the band in the studio and on tour - but they only released heavily edited snippets.
If they weren't willing to make a more complete documentary for the anniversary box set of News of the World, then they never will. It was a wasted opportunity.
More generally, my complaints aren't with the studio releases - but with the audio mix of live releases. I'm not a nit-picking audiophile, complaining for the sake of it. I think Rock Montreal sounds fantastic, for example.
I recently talked about this in another thread and I don't want to be a bore about it, but this video provides a clear example of what I'm talking about. If there are four musicians on stage, I want to be able to clearly hear four musicians.
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Post by vh on Aug 31, 2024 10:17:07 GMT
I was born in 1980. I have been listening to Queen for more than 35 years. I'm not a new fan as you suspect. In fact, it seems to me that the worst thing Queen has done in the last 30 years is the movie. I'm just trying to value things in their fair measure. Nothing more than that. Queen is a band that stopped recording new songs in 1991.[. Apart from No One But You. . . And The Cosmos Rocks album! |
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Post by creepy on Aug 31, 2024 13:36:28 GMT
creepy - please try to get the hang of using quotes. To use a quote from another post, click the Quote button next to the post you want to quote from, then add your comments underneath the box containing the quoted post. I have removed several of your posts which just contained quotes from other posts, with nothing added from yourself. Thanks. My mistake. Excuse me. |
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Post by creepy on Aug 31, 2024 13:57:09 GMT
Thin Lizzy does not provide any previously unheard studio songs on the box. In my opinion, after all the live albums that Queen has released, I prefer an album of studio sessions, including 6 unknown songs, than 7 live CDs. The Thin Lizzy box set is okay, I have no objections, but the "The miracle" box set is also a good release (that's what I think). The Thin Lizzy box has something that the "The miracle" box does not have and vice versa. Would anyone like Queen to release a big box set with hours and hours of studio sessions and live recordings? I wouldn't like that, firstly, because they would leave the file almost empty and, secondly, because we couldn't expect anything new for the future. I think it's nice to think that there is still some unknown gem yet to see the light of day (even if that never happens). If you think about it, since 1991, more than 20 unreleased Queen songs have been released (Made in heaven, No one but you, the 3 songs from the album "Forever", All dead all dead, Feelins', the 6 songs from "The miracle", and some more that have left me in the pipeline. More than 20 songs. I think it's not bad at all. Kind regards. |
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