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Post by akirafish on Jun 4, 2021 15:52:56 GMT
but it is not the "tape" scratch, it is the fingers sliding over the fretboard. Maybe they did loop the lick three times and taped it together, but the "scratch" we hear is the fingers sliding over the strings. I think guitarists will agree with this. I think what he meant to say by "it would not be there" is that he would not slide the hand all over to the top of the fretboard then go back down to play the same lick again, and do that 3 times. He did it once (played the lick, moved the hand to the top of the fretboard which makes thes cratch sound), then they looped it 3 times. It also fits in the groove, it is "in the rhythm" that's why it works. But you dont hear the "splice" oe editing, just the guitar sounds. That is my opinion at least  Thanks. With the replies from both n39 and you now I have a general idea, since I'm no more a guitarist than georg, a general idea is enough for me.  |
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Post by n39 on Jun 4, 2021 16:03:58 GMT
but it is not the "tape" scratch, it is the fingers sliding over the fretboard. Maybe they did loop the lick three times and taped it together, but the "scratch" we hear is the fingers sliding over the strings. I think guitarists will agree with this. I think what he meant to say by "it would not be there" is that he would not slide the hand all over to the top of the fretboard then go back down to play the same lick again, and do that 3 times. He did it once (played the lick, moved the hand to the top of the fretboard which makes thes cratch sound), then they looped it 3 times. It also fits in the groove, it is "in the rhythm" that's why it works. But you dont hear the "splice" oe editing, just the guitar sounds. That is my opinion at least Yes, this is correct, the scratch is from his fingers sliding up the strings to play the high A to D chord. There would not be multiple scratches had he slid up, and kept his hands at the high end of the fretboard to repeat the lick (hence no need to slide). |
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Post by pg on Jun 4, 2021 16:21:04 GMT
You can hear a similar scratch in the intro of Every Breath You Take by the Police...
..and it could be replicated if it was deliberate /wanted - sometimes guitarists will produce this noise as an effect. There isn't much time between those iterations to get down (silently) and back (non-silently), although there's probably a tribute band somewhere that are sufficiently slavish in their reproduction
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 4, 2021 16:50:05 GMT
but it is not the "tape" scratch, it is the fingers sliding over the fretboard. Maybe they did loop the lick three times and taped it together, but the "scratch" we hear is the fingers sliding over the strings. I think guitarists will agree with this. I think what he meant to say by "it would not be there" is that he would not slide the hand all over to the top of the fretboard then go back down to play the same lick again, and do that 3 times. He did it once (played the lick, moved the hand to the top of the fretboard which makes thes cratch sound), then they looped it 3 times. It also fits in the groove, it is "in the rhythm" that's why it works. But you dont hear the "splice" oe editing, just the guitar sounds. That is my opinion at least Yes, this is correct, the scratch is from his fingers sliding up the strings to play the high A to D chord. There would not be multiple scratches had he slid up, and kept his hands at the high end of the fretboard to repeat the lick (hence no need to slide). Yes, that's how I understand it too. What's curious to me is that they went to the trouble of splicing the tape to reproduce the lick three times - why didn't he just play it?! |
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Post by n39 on Jun 4, 2021 16:55:56 GMT
Chrissie probably called him home for tea, so he left Mike Stone to do the splicing  |
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Post by akirafish on Jun 4, 2021 17:03:30 GMT
And he’s fairly proud of this gimmick so that he mentioned this in several occasions.
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Post by Jakelic on Jun 4, 2021 17:05:36 GMT
Yes, this is correct, the scratch is from his fingers sliding up the strings to play the high A to D chord. There would not be multiple scratches had he slid up, and kept his hands at the high end of the fretboard to repeat the lick (hence no need to slide). Yes, that's how I understand it too. What's curious to me is that they went to the trouble of splicing the tape to reproduce the lick three times - why didn't he just play it?! i suppose they came up with the idea while editing, and since it sounded ok when looped, no need to record it again. lot of things happen in editing, whether in music or video/film... if you hit gold, you keep it the way it is and move on |
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Post by Frank on Jun 5, 2021 11:28:00 GMT
These videos are getting better now. It's this kind of stuff that I find interesting because I'll never listen to WWRY the same way ever again. And that's refreshing.
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Post by thesirhc on Jun 5, 2021 23:10:10 GMT
This is an idiotic thing for me to notice but... I find it weird that the "Queen" from the various album covers at the beginning of each clip give the illusion that they're going chronologically through all of them, yet they really don't. For instance, they skip Magic in the last two WWRY vids and on a couple others, Heaven seems too early on. Sorry for wasting your time, but there ya go!  |
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Post by readyeddie on Jun 6, 2021 11:34:11 GMT
These videos are getting better now. It's this kind of stuff that I find interesting because I'll never listen to WWRY the same way ever again. And that's refreshing. Yeah, me too. It's the same with songs like Working Class Hero by Lennon and Strawberry Fields Forever by the Beatles that both have edits in them. |
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Post by oreno on Jun 6, 2021 11:41:52 GMT
Re the WWRY solo, I'd always suspected it was a loop, but the version on the NOTW box set confirmed it. In fact you can hear that he just does it the once and the complete improvised solo is a lot more freeform. Interesting that WATC needed the lead guitar fiddling with as well. Two nice examples of Brian giving things that vital extra bit of creative thought and application.
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Post by n39 on Jun 11, 2021 15:22:41 GMT
WATC today. Most of the footage seemed to be taken from the Days of Our Lives bonus content, but there was a new bit of commentary recorded by Brian.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 12, 2021 11:15:39 GMT
Latest episode - Hyde Park. Is the BBC footage unreleased, I've never come across it before? Yep, the first time it's been seen since it was aired. Fabulous footage !
As ever, it looks like the BBC were given permission to film the first couple songs.
If QPL are ever so merciful to release the show some day, one can only hope they'll include the uncut spot as an extra.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 12, 2021 11:56:21 GMT
but it is not the "tape" scratch, it is the fingers sliding over the fretboard. Maybe they did loop the lick three times and taped it together, but the "scratch" we hear is the fingers sliding over the strings. I think guitarists will agree with this. I think what he meant to say by "it would not be there" is that he would not slide the hand all over to the top of the fretboard then go back down to play the same lick again, and do that 3 times. He did it once (played the lick, moved the hand to the top of the fretboard which makes thes cratch sound), then they looped it 3 times. It also fits in the groove, it is "in the rhythm" that's why it works. But you dont hear the "splice" oe editing, just the guitar sounds. That is my opinion at least Exactly - it's just standard string noise from his hand moving from one end of the neck to the other. If you do a quick jump up the octave it's inevitable - especially on electric guitar when everything is being amplified.
The fact that the edits are so clean is a testament to what a good job they did with the razor blade. They achieved the same thing with the guitar parts in the fade-out of Sweet Lady. We've even heard the original take where the repeated part is only played once.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 12, 2021 11:57:29 GMT
Yes, this is correct, the scratch is from his fingers sliding up the strings to play the high A to D chord. There would not be multiple scratches had he slid up, and kept his hands at the high end of the fretboard to repeat the lick (hence no need to slide). Yes, that's how I understand it too. What's curious to me is that they went to the trouble of splicing the tape to reproduce the lick three times - why didn't he just play it?! Because the end result was something unique. There's no guitar part ever recorded on tape to this day that sounds anything like it.
Once upon a time the greats knew they were great when they'd done something for the first time.
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Post by The Real Wizard on Jun 12, 2021 12:01:09 GMT
These videos are getting better now. It's this kind of stuff that I find interesting because I'll never listen to WWRY the same way ever again. And that's refreshing. Yeah, me too. It's the same with songs like Working Class Hero by Lennon and Strawberry Fields Forever by the Beatles that both have edits in them. This is an excellent analysis of the latter, as the unheard takes are on the Sgt Pepper box set:
I tried replicating the edit with Pro Tools using the raw takes, and I still couldn't do as clean an edit as Geoff Emerick did in 1966 with a razor blade and the patience of a saint. Truly a marvellous achievement.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Jun 12, 2021 15:35:39 GMT
it is stunning. as a Beatles fan of 50+ years, this stuff has amazed me for decades. sure, Queen, Floyd, Yes were incredible in their ability to use the studio as an instrument, but it was the Beatles' genius that made it possible for all of these later bands.
i doubt there's a musician alive today that would even attempt to record anything remotely complex on four tracks. i'll say it again, the bounce technique used on SFF/Penny Lane is improvisation to a level that no artist of the last 40 years can conceive.
just stop and imagine what the Beatles could've done with 24, 48 or more tracks. boggles.
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Post by vh on Jun 12, 2021 22:09:44 GMT
^^^^ Completely agree.
When I first realised that those Beatles albums were recorded on four tracks I was stunned. As you say there is probably no one today who would attempt, or for that matter have the skill, to record anything like that using such limited technology.
As far as Queen goes Brian May has said he probably wouldn't attempt Good Company now! It would be pretty amazing to hear what the Beatles could have achieved with 48 tracks or even the endless possibilities of digital recording.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 12, 2021 23:18:37 GMT
As far as Queen goes Brian May has said he probably wouldn't attempt Good Company now! He did! Well, sort of. Didn't go entirely to plan. 😄 youtu.be/TwaTvFUPNeo |
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Post by Frank on Jun 13, 2021 10:48:43 GMT
As far as Queen goes Brian May has said he probably wouldn't attempt Good Company now! He did! Well, sort of. Didn't go entirely to plan. 😄 youtu.be/TwaTvFUPNeoWow, I hadn't seen that performance before. Thanks for sharing. It's great to hear him be "dangerous" and try lesser known classics. Would love to hear him and Roger do more stuff like that. It didn't even bother me that he forgot some of the bits. It was raw and and honest. And it was a moment he was able to share with the fans. Loved it! |
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Post by Egietje on Jun 13, 2021 11:54:19 GMT
WATC today. Most of the footage seemed to be taken from the Days of Our Lives bonus content, but there was a new bit of commentary recorded by Brian. One thing that stood out to me is the fact they didn't actually crop the 4:3 footage to 16:9 lol Edit after watching 10 seconds longer: not ALL of the footage* |
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Post by Ri on Jun 13, 2021 12:49:27 GMT
As far as Queen goes Brian May has said he probably wouldn't attempt Good Company now! He did! Well, sort of. Didn't go entirely to plan. 😄 youtu.be/TwaTvFUPNeoThis is lovely, do you know when this was? |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jun 13, 2021 13:49:09 GMT
This is lovely, do you know when this was? Going by the information attached to the video, it was Portsmouth in 2012, when he was touring with Kerry Ellis. This Twitter post would seem to bear that out: |
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Post by vh on Jun 13, 2021 20:41:32 GMT
As far as Queen goes Brian May has said he probably wouldn't attempt Good Company now! He did! Well, sort of. Didn't go entirely to plan. 😄 youtu.be/TwaTvFUPNeoTrue 😎, but still well worth a listen |
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Post by chromant on Jun 16, 2021 6:01:28 GMT
In the meantime other major groups use YouTube to actually post interesting videos. Like for example U2 who is uploading all their music videos in HD (and sometimes in 4k)
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Post by mrsebas25 on Jun 17, 2021 1:13:30 GMT
I would like a NEW live album (Filmed, obviously) from the Races, NOTW, Jazz or Crazy tour. I would be interest in Bristol 77, Glasgow 77, Providence 77, Landover 78, NY 78 (any of them) or any concert of the Crazy Tour (except from Hammy 79). Even Brussels 84, that would be nice! But anyway, QPL is trash releasing new material, but i have hope . |
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Post by Frank on Jun 17, 2021 15:20:28 GMT
Some of us tend to forget, but there was a time we didn't think we'd get a solid release for the Odeon or Rainbow, but they arrived in the last decade. There's still hope, but I'd never tell anyone to hold their breath.
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Post by Emmanuel on Jun 18, 2021 16:07:18 GMT
Meh video, i don't like it so much, is already know by everyone some things
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Post by Emmanuel on Jun 18, 2021 16:07:59 GMT
There is not new footage for me
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Post by Frank on Jun 18, 2021 17:32:03 GMT
I quite liked the episode. Nice little highlight of Queen's love affair with Japan. I enjoyed listening to the interview. I particularly liked hearing about how Queen played in areas that most acts didn't bother to tour thus further solidifying their special connection with the Japanese.
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