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Post by dysan on Apr 20, 2024 8:54:51 GMT
Well in the interview Brian said the recordings were only for the band to listen to how well they played at gigs but that it wouldn't necessarily be good enough quality to be released to the public.
Exactly. Chances are these would also have been recorded over the very next night. A common occurrence on the road in the 70s. Perhaps snippets exist if one of the band decided to copy a certain bit which they thought was good or to use as reference when brushing up when they get to the next hotel. But again, in the days of ephemeral live performances, blink and you miss it, these wouldn't have been considered to hold any value. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 20, 2024 9:20:00 GMT
Regarding the John Anthony interview, I wonder why he's involved and seemingly not Roy Thomas Baker? Also, just out of curiosity I was checking out the Queen album on Wiki, and although it might not be reliable, the last paragraph is interesting: Other recordings from this period, such as two Smile tracks ("Silver Salmon" and "Polar Bear"), "Rock and Roll Medley" (a live encore staple from the era), and the infamous track "Hangman" (whose existence was long denied officially, beyond live concert recordings), have surfaced in the form of a studio acetate disc.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_(Queen_album) |
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Post by dysan on Apr 20, 2024 9:32:19 GMT
Yeah just speculation really probably taken from half remembered discussions on these very boards. Who knows.
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Post by Ri on Apr 20, 2024 9:34:38 GMT
Regarding the John Anthony interview, I wonder why he's involved and seemingly not Roy Thomas Baker? Well he might be, it's just that JA is who we're hearing from right now. |
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Apr 20, 2024 12:20:40 GMT
Well in the interview Brian said the recordings were only for the band to listen to how well they played at gigs but that it wouldn't necessarily be good enough quality to be released to the public.
Exactly. Chances are these would also have been recorded over the very next night. A common occurrence on the road in the 70s. Perhaps snippets exist if one of the band decided to copy a certain bit which they thought was good or to use as reference when brushing up when they get to the next hotel. But again, in the days of ephemeral live performances, blink and you miss it, these wouldn't have been considered to hold any value. So how come that we got to listen the live version of "Sleeping on the Sidewalk" ? Why was it recorded in the first place by the band and why has it been preserved through all those years ? |
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Post by airpodsmax on Apr 20, 2024 12:37:02 GMT
We can cross ours fingers as much as we like in anticipation of something rare and interesting, and perhaps very very well known from numerous bootlegs, but still be disappointed in the end. Because even I cannot remember a product that would satisfy me and that I would not require additives to it
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Post by airpodsmax on Apr 20, 2024 12:38:20 GMT
Exactly. Chances are these would also have been recorded over the very next night. A common occurrence on the road in the 70s. Perhaps snippets exist if one of the band decided to copy a certain bit which they thought was good or to use as reference when brushing up when they get to the next hotel. But again, in the days of ephemeral live performances, blink and you miss it, these wouldn't have been considered to hold any value. So how come that we got to listen the live version of "Sleeping on the Sidewalk" ? Why was it recorded in the first place by the band and why has it been preserved through all those years ? Good question. But this does not mean that we will listen to a hangman |
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Post by inuliger on Apr 25, 2024 19:50:52 GMT
Regarding the John Anthony interview, I wonder why he's involved and seemingly not Roy Thomas Baker? Also, just out of curiosity I was checking out the Queen album on Wiki, and although it might not be reliable, the last paragraph is interesting: Other recordings from this period, such as two Smile tracks ("Silver Salmon" and "Polar Bear"), "Rock and Roll Medley" (a live encore staple from the era), and the infamous track "Hangman" (whose existence was long denied officially, beyond live concert recordings), have surfaced in the form of a studio acetate disc.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_(Queen_album)Unless there's a 1972/73 era recording of "Silver Salmon" we don't know of, that one was recorded during the "News Of The World" sessions otherwise. |
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Post by inuliger on Apr 25, 2024 19:51:53 GMT
So how come that we got to listen the live version of "Sleeping on the Sidewalk" ? Why was it recorded in the first place by the band and why has it been preserved through all those years ? Good question. But this does not mean that we will listen to a hangman Particularly if the rumours I've heard of a very crude lyric being on it are true at all. |
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Post by airpodsmax on Apr 25, 2024 20:37:43 GMT
Good question. But this does not mean that we will listen to a hangman Particularly if the rumours I've heard of a very crude lyric being on it are true at all. Those who doesn’t want to release this track apparently hasn’t recovered from 'death on two legs' yet lol |
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Post by inuliger on Apr 25, 2024 20:39:26 GMT
Particularly if the rumours I've heard of a very crude lyric being on it are true at all. Those who doesn’t want to release this track apparently hasn’t recovered from 'death on two legs' yet lol I don't think you get how crude it's implied to be in this case, even compared to DOTL  |
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Post by airpodsmax on Apr 25, 2024 20:47:36 GMT
Those who doesn’t want to release this track apparently hasn’t recovered from 'death on two legs' yet lol I don't think you get how crude it's implied to be in this case, even compared to DOTL I think this is just a banal Croatian 'polako' |
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Post by manymilesaway on Apr 25, 2024 20:52:37 GMT
Good question. But this does not mean that we will listen to a hangman Particularly if the rumours I've heard of a very crude lyric being on it are true at all. I doubt there's any word that would be found more offensive these days than 'the sugar' on The March of The Black Queen  |
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Post by manymilesaway on Apr 25, 2024 20:53:46 GMT
Regarding the John Anthony interview, I wonder why he's involved and seemingly not Roy Thomas Baker? It could just be that they're both involved, and John Anthony's just being a little bit too loud about it. |
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Post by chowder on Apr 26, 2024 9:50:44 GMT
Those who doesn’t want to release this track apparently hasn’t recovered from 'death on two legs' yet lol I don't think you get how crude it's implied to be in this case, even compared to DOTL Yes from what I've heard, there are some homophobic references in the studio version. Don't think Queen want to reference them with that if it is true. |
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Post by inuliger on Apr 26, 2024 18:20:05 GMT
I don't think you get how crude it's implied to be in this case, even compared to DOTL Yes from what I've heard, there are some homophobic references in the studio version. Don't think Queen want to reference them with that if it is true. Precisely what I've heard too. |
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Post by disco_mart on Apr 27, 2024 10:59:38 GMT
I don't think you get how crude it's implied to be in this case, even compared to DOTL Yes from what I've heard, there are some homophobic references in the studio version. Don't think Queen want to reference them with that if it is true. Given Freddie's sexuality, even then, I find this VERY hard to believe. Especially given the band's name. Also, given the four of them are quite well educated, I'd again find this to be no more then a rumour. It could be that they are actually attacking homophobes, who knows. |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 27, 2024 11:28:50 GMT
Yes from what I've heard, there are some homophobic references in the studio version. Don't think Queen want to reference them with that if it is true. Given Freddie's sexuality, even then, I find this VERY hard to believe. Especially given the band's name. Also, given the four of them are quite well educated, I'd again find this to be no more then a rumour. It could be that they are actually attacking homophobes, who knows. I think it's probably relevant that language which was acceptable back then was very different to what it is now. To release something now with what would now be considered derogatory or offensive lyrics would be highly contentious. |
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Post by Arnaldo Ogre- on Apr 27, 2024 13:10:38 GMT
If this is the case, would it be so important for the song or so intertwined in it so that it can't be edited out, overdubbed or AI fixed? "I want it all", you know?
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Post by airpodsmax on Apr 27, 2024 13:31:25 GMT
The first of April is over, but the jokes continue.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 27, 2024 13:36:01 GMT
If this is the case, would it be so important for the song or so intertwined in it so that it can't be edited out, overdubbed or AI fixed? "I want it all", you know? Cheers, Ogre- They almost certainly haven't got the multitracks for it so any editing would be very basic - and then you'd get people complaining that it's been tampered with. 🙄 |
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Post by airpodsmax on Apr 27, 2024 14:00:05 GMT
If this is the case, would it be so important for the song or so intertwined in it so that it can't be edited out, overdubbed or AI fixed? "I want it all", you know? Cheers, Ogre- They almost certainly haven't got the multitracks for it so any editing would be very basic - and then you'd get people complaining that it's been tampered with. 🙄 Were there any cases when people didn’t complain? QPL releases a concert with auto-tune and we end up complaining, QPL releases a concert without auto-tune and we complain again. QPL is better to release the greatest hits again, preferably in a new super duper cover, than a concert about the quality of which there will be further complaints |
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Post by manymilesaway on Apr 27, 2024 20:34:58 GMT
They almost certainly haven't got the multitracks for it so any editing would be very basic - and then you'd get people complaining that it's been tampered with. 🙄 QPL releases a concert without auto-tune and we complain again. ...When has anybody ever complained about not having auto-tune? |
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Post by manymilesaway on Apr 27, 2024 20:39:07 GMT
They almost certainly haven't got the multitracks for it so any editing would be very basic - and then you'd get people complaining that it's been tampered with. 🙄 If it's a simple run-through without much work after, I don't think it'd be too hard to get a decent result with AI separation. The trouble is when you throw multitracked guitars and harmonies into the mix. Plus, if any live soundboard tapes with Hangman exist, they could also isolate Freddie's vocals from those and put them into this run-through. Could work for better line deliveries and removing those alleged homophobic lyrics. (I've never heard of this rumour, does anyone mind giving more context about it?) |
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Post by Lord Fickle on Apr 27, 2024 20:59:06 GMT
They almost certainly haven't got the multitracks for it so any editing would be very basic - and then you'd get people complaining that it's been tampered with. 🙄 If it's a simple run-through without much work after, I don't think it'd be too hard to get a decent result with AI separation. The trouble is when you throw multitracked guitars and harmonies into the mix. Plus, if any live soundboard tapes with Hangman exist, they could also isolate Freddie's vocals from those and put them into this run-through. Could work for better line deliveries and removing those alleged homophobic lyrics. (I've never heard of this rumour, does anyone mind giving more context about it?)I think it's probably best left under speculation. Even if anyone knew the questionable lyrics, it probably wouldn't be appropriate to post them here. |
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Post by JackG on Apr 29, 2024 8:39:14 GMT
If it's a simple run-through without much work after, I don't think it'd be too hard to get a decent result with AI separation. The trouble is when you throw multitracked guitars and harmonies into the mix. Plus, if any live soundboard tapes with Hangman exist, they could also isolate Freddie's vocals from those and put them into this run-through. Could work for better line deliveries and removing those alleged homophobic lyrics. (I've never heard of this rumour, does anyone mind giving more context about it?)I think it's probably best left under speculation. Even if anyone knew the questionable lyrics, it probably wouldn't be appropriate to post them here. First time I have ever heard of this rumor. |
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Post by scallyuk on Apr 30, 2024 9:43:54 GMT
Is there even a rumour? John S was very direct about being unwilling to share any of Hangman , no listening, no lyric transcriptions and no copies.
He was also very capable of winding up anyone who pushed too hard to find out about his collection. especially if he percieved them as leeching .
I doubt anyone here has heard the track .
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on May 2, 2024 0:35:13 GMT
I paste here the last John Antony's Facebook post about his interview with Brian and Roger. He talks about an "upcoming definitive boxset". Who knows... "Had the most heartwarming and heartfelt 5 hour lunch with Brian and Roger They really reiterated how grateful they were and how much they valued my input, intelligence and my absolute conviction that they were going to make it when nobody else did! We were pushed apart it seems by a very devious person for that persons partners interests. Eee.... Rock and Roll how Machiavellian...well I never. My and their thoughts will be part of a large 'liner notes section on a an upcoming definitive box set. So I didn't have to do an interview (just as well, as I had terrible hay fever} and anyhow reigniting our friendship and acquaintance was so much more important to us all and we shared a lot of very personal stuff. I listen to their remixed demos with them and it was like 52 years were yesterday, we had exactly the same relationship, points of view and senses of humour. I am a tired and happy man after a long journey and a longer but very worthwhile day for this old geezer. I felt the love man! Here is a snap of Brian and Roger in Smile, their first band when I signed them to Mercury Records in 1969 and produced their and my first single record at Trident studio" Link: www.facebook.com/share/p/6vdjJGLi7V1A4PWt/ |
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Post by Ri on May 2, 2024 1:33:11 GMT
I saw that on FB and wow! It's really happening remixed demos!
I wonder who that devious person is. Actually I spent some time scrolling through his profile a while back before this Queen I launch was a thing, seems like he sure did have some Opinions about some things with Queen and Smile, not all of them wholesome... but I guess all of that behind now that they've reunited for this.
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Post by manymilesaway on May 2, 2024 2:33:31 GMT
I paste here the last John Antony's Facebook post about his interview with Brian and Roger. He talks about an "upcoming definitive boxset". Who knows... "Had the most heartwarming and heartfelt 5 hour lunch with Brian and Roger They really reiterated how grateful they were and how much they valued my input, intelligence and my absolute conviction that they were going to make it when nobody else did! We were pushed apart it seems by a very devious person for that persons partners interests. Eee.... Rock and Roll how Machiavellian...well I never. My and their thoughts will be part of a large 'liner notes section on a an upcoming definitive box set. So I didn't have to do an interview (just as well, as I had terrible hay fever} and anyhow reigniting our friendship and acquaintance was so much more important to us all and we shared a lot of very personal stuff. I listen to their remixed demos with them and it was like 52 years were yesterday, we had exactly the same relationship, points of view and senses of humour. I am a tired and happy man after a long journey and a longer but very worthwhile day for this old geezer. I felt the love man! Here is a snap of Brian and Roger in Smile, their first band when I signed them to Mercury Records in 1969 and produced their and my first single record at Trident studio" Link: www.facebook.com/share/p/6vdjJGLi7V1A4PWt/Absolutely incredible. Queen I definitely has a solid chance, but the question of Queen II still remains... Queen II's inclusion would explain a 2024 release year, and Greg Brooks has said several times that QI/QII would be merged if it ever came to a box set. A remix of Seven Seas Of Rhye would also be a good selling point to the casual fans. Hopefully it's the two of them, but if it's just Queen I, I'm still more than happy. Would love to hear those tracks get a new life. |
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