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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Dec 30, 2023 9:59:08 GMT
I also think the only way we’ll ever get Earls Court, Hyde Park, and Hammersmith would be paired with archival releases of the respective albums, and considering we didn’t get Houston with the News of the World Collectors Edition, I can’t see Earls Court or Hyde Park being added to a (hypothetical) Races reissue, or Hammersmith to a (hypothetical) Game reissue. THAT BEING SAID, the Queen social media accounts have announced the Freddie Mercury party already for September, and they explicitly said they’re celebrating The Works in 2024 — not a peep about Sheer Heart Attack, and I don’t remember previous announcements mentioning any specific albums. I’m not saying there’ll be any kind of archival release, and I’m not remotely getting my hopes up, but I do find that interesting. and that, Dear Readers should be the major cause for concern. To any logic-based lifeform a 50th anniversary is more important than a 40th. But clearly, where QPL are concerned this is not the case. QPL will continue along the well-trodden "hit singles" or "least effort" path. an album with 4 hits easily defeats one with 2 - from a marketing and sales perspective - making Works vs SHA a no-brainer. Conclusion: In the years that follow Queen fans should expect: 2025: - ANATO (50) vs Complete Works (40) = Complete Works Reissue2026: - ADATR (50) vs AKOM / Live Magic (40) = AKOM / Live Magic2027: - NoTW (50) vs HS (45) = Hot Space2028: - Jazz (50) vs Five Live (35) = Five Live2029: - Live Killers (50) vs Miracle (40) = Miracle2030: - Game (50) vs At The Beeb (40) (it will actually be 41) = At The Beeb2031: - Greatest Hits (50) vs Innuendo (40) = Greatest HitsOnly Innuendo will buck the trend - and it's not hard to see why.
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Post by dragonkiller on Dec 30, 2023 12:28:33 GMT
Don`t expect anything and keep expectations low and you won`t be disappointed. Sad to say but it`s the best way to look at QPL releases.
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Post by fcb101 on Dec 30, 2023 14:07:56 GMT
Never try to find any logic in Queen's releases.
People say they only focus on the "greatest hits" but they released "Live at the Rainbow" and "Live at the Odeon". Early live shows with few hits.
They then had the plan to - further - release live shows chronologically (they had Hyde Park and Earls Court even prepared at least audio wise).
But - and this is more than anything the case - they start something (a series) but some releases in the series they change their mind...
The result is negative in 2 ways: 1) there's no logic in their releases whatsoever (not in terms of content of actual releases, not in what gets released and what doesn't) 2) a lot of good stuff (especially the rarities and in depth stuff) isn't even considered.
They could give us a much better picture of what Queen was up to in the studio and live when Freddie was still around.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Dec 30, 2023 14:27:38 GMT
Never try to find any logic in Queen's releases. People say they only focus on the "greatest hits" but they released "Live at the Rainbow" and "Live at the Odeon". Early live shows with few hits. They then had the plan to - further - release live shows chronologically (they had Hyde Park and Earls Court even prepared at least audio wise). QPL's 3rd millennium Business Model is based on little effort for maximum returns. Rainbow and Odeon required very little work to bring them to release-worthy condition, HP and Ec require a moderate amount of work, but it's clearly too great an effort for QPL
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Post by dragonkiller on Dec 30, 2023 18:05:23 GMT
Never try to find any logic in Queen's releases. People say they only focus on the "greatest hits" but they released "Live at the Rainbow" and "Live at the Odeon". Early live shows with few hits. They then had the plan to - further - release live shows chronologically (they had Hyde Park and Earls Court even prepared at least audio wise). QPL's 3rd millennium Business Model is based on little effort for maximum returns. Rainbow and Odeon required very little work to bring them to release-worthy condition, HP and Ec require a moderate amount of work, but it's clearly too great an effort for QPL Why don`t QPL employ some of the people who do excellent work on this forum. Win..Win for everybody. I know it will never happen tho.
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Post by davis_taylor.1984 on Dec 30, 2023 19:08:05 GMT
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Post by leighburne on Dec 30, 2023 19:28:08 GMT
Not saying I believe that, but if they’re gonna remix anything it should be Jazz.
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Post by eiricd on Dec 30, 2023 19:31:33 GMT
taken out of thin air? interesting to say the least......
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Post by saintjiub on Dec 30, 2023 19:59:01 GMT
I also think the only way we’ll ever get Earls Court, Hyde Park, and Hammersmith would be paired with archival releases of the respective albums, and considering we didn’t get Houston with the News of the World Collectors Edition, I can’t see Earls Court or Hyde Park being added to a (hypothetical) Races reissue, or Hammersmith to a (hypothetical) Game reissue. THAT BEING SAID, the Queen social media accounts have announced the Freddie Mercury party already for September, and they explicitly said they’re celebrating The Works in 2024 — not a peep about Sheer Heart Attack, and I don’t remember previous announcements mentioning any specific albums. I’m not saying there’ll be any kind of archival release, and I’m not remotely getting my hopes up, but I do find that interesting. and that, Dear Readers should be the major cause for concern. To any logic-based lifeform a 50th anniversary is more important than a 40th. But clearly, where QPL are concerned this is not the case. QPL will continue along the well-trodden "hit singles" or "least effort" path. an album with 4 hits easily defeats one with 2 - from a marketing and sales perspective - making Works vs SHA a no-brainer. Conclusion: In the years that follow Queen fans should expect: 2025: - ANATO (50) vs Complete Works (40) = Complete Works Reissue2026: - ADATR (50) vs AKOM / Live Magic (40) = AKOM / Live Magic2027: - NoTW (50) vs HS (45) = Hot Space2028: - Jazz (50) vs Five Live (35) = Five Live2029: - Live Killers (50) vs Miracle (40) = Miracle2030: - Game (50) vs At The Beeb (40) (it will actually be 41) = At The Beeb2031: - Greatest Hits (50) vs Innuendo (40) = Greatest HitsOnly Innuendo will buck the trend - and it's not hard to see why. Why would we get the Miracle in 2029, when the box set was released last year or so? Ditto with the Beeb in 2030 after On Air?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Dec 30, 2023 20:07:59 GMT
No, because it's on an Italian website and there seems to be no evidence of it anywhere else at the moment. I'd like it to be true, but...
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Post by georg on Dec 30, 2023 21:02:44 GMT
No, because it's on an Italian website and there seems to be no evidence of it anywhere else at the moment. I'd like it to be true, but... Agreed. I’m wary of these kinds of rumors. I would hope that if this was true then John Anthony wouldn’t be blabbing about it. Seems like that wouldn’t be very smart of him.
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Post by donovan on Dec 30, 2023 21:23:28 GMT
QPL's 3rd millennium Business Model Capitalism is based on little effort for maximum returns. I propose a slight edit, zooming out to the bigger picture. Not to absolve QPL of their disappointments, but if it walks like a duck, we shouldn't be surprised to find that it's a duck.
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Post by saintjiub on Dec 30, 2023 21:48:29 GMT
QPL's 3rd millennium Business Model Capitalism is based on little effort for maximum returns. I propose a slight edit, zooming out to the bigger picture. Not to absolve QPL of their disappointments, but if it walks like a duck, we shouldn't be surprised to find that it's a duck. Unfortunately, The Queen corporate suit arrogance usually fails to recognize that an excellent product usually increases sales (and profits) as well as customer satisfaction (and long term goodwill). Too often, corporations are overly focused on short term quarterly profits, and fail to address the long term benefits to the company, employees and customers. However, I consider The Miracle box set to be a good effort, and was pleased with them offering a 2CD option.
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Post by BrƎИsꓘi on Dec 30, 2023 21:58:35 GMT
and that, Dear Readers should be the major cause for concern. To any logic-based lifeform a 50th anniversary is more important than a 40th. But clearly, where QPL are concerned this is not the case. QPL will continue along the well-trodden "hit singles" or "least effort" path. an album with 4 hits easily defeats one with 2 - from a marketing and sales perspective - making Works vs SHA a no-brainer. Conclusion: In the years that follow Queen fans should expect: 2025: - ANATO (50) vs Complete Works (40) = Complete Works Reissue2026: - ADATR (50) vs AKOM / Live Magic (40) = AKOM / Live Magic2027: - NoTW (50) vs HS (45) = Hot Space2028: - Jazz (50) vs Five Live (35) = Five Live2029: - Live Killers (50) vs Miracle (40) = Miracle2030: - Game (50) vs At The Beeb (40) (it will actually be 41) = At The Beeb2031: - Greatest Hits (50) vs Innuendo (40) = Greatest HitsOnly Innuendo will buck the trend - and it's not hard to see why. Why would we get the Miracle in 2029, when the box set was released last year or so? Ditto with the Beeb in 2030 after On Air? you've (kinda) answered your own question: because it involves absolute minimal QPL effort - and the same reason we get Greatest Hits reissued every few years.
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Post by lumi on Dec 30, 2023 23:04:14 GMT
No, because it's on an Italian website and there seems to be no evidence of it anywhere else at the moment. I'd like it to be true, but... Agreed. I’m wary of these kinds of rumors. I would hope that if this was true then John Anthony wouldn’t be blabbing about it. Seems like that wouldn’t be very smart of him. To provide a little more context for those who couldn't/wouldn't read the linked page (a smart decision to be honest, as that would have led at best to an Italian-to-English machine-translation of a FB post that the Italian Queen fansite dude had already translated from its original English to Italian ), apparently John Anthony posted yesterday (December 29) on his FB page that that morning – after 40-odd years of no contact whatsoever with Queen – he got an email from Brian (Roger CC'd) which essentially boiled down to "Hey buddy, long time no see, Roger and I are re-mixing our debut album and your name came up in conversation – we have good memories of your work!", and then Roger added "Let's reconnect!". He also posted a couple of photos from that time. When I checked John Anthony's FB page to see the original post, well, I couldn't find it. Either he has deleted it (... was made to delete it?), or it's only visible to his followers (which I am not – nor I have a FB account, for that matter). Make of that what you will.
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Post by manymilesaway on Jan 1, 2024 4:38:54 GMT
I also think the only way we’ll ever get Earls Court, Hyde Park, and Hammersmith would be paired with archival releases of the respective albums I really don't see why you'd consider that to be the case. Why wouldn't March Rainbow '74 come with a Queen II reissue? Hammersmith '75 with an A Night At The Opera reissue? considering we didn’t get Houston with the News of the World Collectors Edition, I can’t see Earls Court or Hyde Park being added to a (hypothetical) Races reissue, or Hammersmith to a (hypothetical) Game reissue. Houston is a completely different situation to those other shows. Houston '77 doesn't have multitracks or audience microphones. The 2017 documentaries used the mono soundboard with reverberation effects and a fake audience. Even in 1989, the official release of My Melancholy Blues was just the video feed audio. They also don't even have a copy of Houston in NTSC. They were never going to release Houston. To QPL standards, a mono mix with no audience and footage in the wrong video region would be a pretty shit release. Earl's Court and Hyde Park both had multitrack work done to them with new mixes that had pitch correction and overdubs; it was shown in the Rags To Rhapsody 2017 documentary. Way more work than just a documentary's worth, as they even have people talking on top of parts with "fixes." Plus, Earl's Court has two shows worth of material, lots of possible patch-work, even with Freddie gone. It's just way more of a viable show for release than Houston is. I could see Earl's Court coming with a Races boxset, but I also could see them not doing that. The live show for the Races tour and the Races album itself don't really feel that related to each other, and there aren't that many Races songs on that setlist. (5 songs from Races compared to 6 from SHA and 6 from ANATO) What I think could be more likely than an Earl's Court release in a Races boxset is a soundboard recording of Saginaw '77's Long Away. They released Sleeping On The Sidewalk live with the NOTW boxset, and nobody even knew that they played that song live at the time. It'd be pretty much the exact same situation. Plus, Freddie singing Long Away would be a new thing for pretty much everyone. Hammersmith isn't a show for The Game tour so I wouldn't think that'd make sense anyway. QPL seems to consider it as "Live Killers" as that's what Greg Brooks designates it as, and the recent WIAWI music video uses Hammersmith footage to represent Live Killers. They'd probably just use Montreal again for any live appearances.
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Post by manymilesaway on Jan 1, 2024 4:51:30 GMT
THAT BEING SAID, the Queen social media accounts have announced the Freddie Mercury party already for September, and they explicitly said they’re celebrating The Works in 2024 — not a peep about Sheer Heart Attack, and I don’t remember previous announcements mentioning any specific albums. I’m not saying there’ll be any kind of archival release, and I’m not remotely getting my hopes up, but I do find that interesting. Jesus. Talk about a Monkey's Paw. Yeah, I was wishing for more archival releases... but The Miracle and The Works? Those are like some of the albums I care the least about. Can't wait for Hot Space and Flash Gordon next. In a better world, we'd be seeing Queen I in 2023, with a Queen II and SHA joint boxset in 2024.
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Post by fabiogminero on Jan 1, 2024 9:02:40 GMT
«Johnny-Poos», because that's what he nicknamed me, «I'm so sorry, hug me». We hugged and both cried. In the early hours of this morning, after 40 years of no contact, I received an email from his guitarist Brian May. Kind, thoughtful and attentive, he told me that he and Roger are remixing Queen first, their debut album which I produced. He said they had been talking about me often recently and added: "In enthusiastic terms, of course." Which was really cool… *Twilight Zone music* playing in the background."
On December 30th, 2023, Anthony reported receiving a second message, this time from Roger Taylor: "Queen first: After contact with Brian May yesterday, I received this from Roger Taylor: «Hi John and Brian. I'd love to reconnect... John, you are the unsung hero of our early days! Treated unfairly, in my opinion, by those who had less talent! Happy New Year! Good things. Roger»".
It therefore seems that there is something in the works related to the celebration of Queen's first album for its fiftieth anniversary, just as some of us (myself included) had the opportunity to suppose in this thread (queenchat.boards.net/thread/4769/2024-queen-release-rumour-mill).
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Post by cmi on Jan 1, 2024 10:33:03 GMT
If indeed Brian and Roger finally decided to properly revisit and reissue Queen albums with fresh remix and set of sessions material in addition it would be really great. The first album is a nice way to start. The Beatles (Apple Corps) make it almost per album a year. Hopefully QPL will finally start to do the same.
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Post by eiricd on Jan 1, 2024 10:37:03 GMT
strange if he posted about it and that it simply wasn't true.
fingers crossed for something in the pipeline. Brian has mentioned the debut album's lack of sound quality before, so who knows?! also, when Greg mentioned that a possible way to deal with the debut album is to do a release which puts together the early years, surely that is something he has passed on to the band? if they go for it or not is of course another matter
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Post by mercurialfreddie on Jan 1, 2024 10:40:57 GMT
How accurate can be the assumption that the record company is not satisfied with how the guys have been celebrating the 50th anniversary of Queen and therefore put some pressure to get the cog wheels running ?
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jan 1, 2024 10:59:08 GMT
I've moved the above few posts in to this thread, as this is still nothing more than a rumour. Please don't start any 'official' threads until this has more substance than just a bloke having a dream. I also find it hard to believe that Brian and Roger would contact him in that way, but hey, let's see what develops.
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Post by leighburne on Jan 1, 2024 11:36:11 GMT
Still not saying I buy it, but I wonder if revisiting and remixing Star Fleet might have opened Brian’s mind to remixing the early Queen albums?
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Post by georg on Jan 1, 2024 15:55:48 GMT
I really don't see why you'd consider that to be the case. I’m applying QPL logic, in that there isn’t any. Trust me, I’d love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but if it doesn’t have a mustache or a big hit on it, more often than not it gets pushed to the back of the line. I think Rainbow and Hammersmith 75 were flukes, or else they’d have kept the line going in 2016 and 2017, but for some reason they didn’t. I guess it wasn’t worth the effort for however much each release sold. We’ll see what 2026 and 2027 bring, but I’m not holding my breath.
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Post by Raf on Jan 2, 2024 20:23:17 GMT
considering we didn’t get Houston with the News of the World Collectors Edition, I can’t see Earls Court or Hyde Park being added to a (hypothetical) Races reissue, or Hammersmith to a (hypothetical) Game reissue. Houston is a completely different situation to those other shows. Houston '77 doesn't have multitracks or audience microphones. The 2017 documentaries used the mono soundboard with reverberation effects and a fake audience. Even in 1989, the official release of My Melancholy Blues was just the video feed audio. They also don't even have a copy of Houston in NTSC. They were never going to release Houston. To QPL standards, a mono mix with no audience and footage in the wrong video region would be a pretty shit release. Earl's Court and Hyde Park both had multitrack work done to them with new mixes that had pitch correction and overdubs; it was shown in the Rags To Rhapsody 2017 documentary. Way more work than just a documentary's worth, as they even have people talking on top of parts with "fixes." Plus, Earl's Court has two shows worth of material, lots of possible patch-work, even with Freddie gone. It's just way more of a viable show for release than Houston is. This has been discussed in this forum before, but now that The Beatles have released Now and Then, I suppose it's more relevant and worth mentioning again: Queen could potentially fix any such problem with AI. It's cleary evolved that much. As long as they have a decent audio track, they can probably produce decent-quality stems for each instrument and Freddie's voice, and then just do as they've done with previously released concerts, such as Wembley, Bowl, Rainbow etc: patch minor mistakes using either autotune or recordings from other concerts*, make both stereo and 5.1 mixes etc. For the video, I guess we've all stumbled across true wonders made by amateurs on YouTube. And if a hobbyist with a pretty expensive PC at home and an AI-based software available on the internet can do that, QPL surely can do even better by hiring a professional team. *For the record, I'm not for patching up live recordings, especially using autotune, but as we all know they always do that, we should consider that the possibility of doing that on a specific concert could make it viable or not for a release...
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Post by manymilesaway on Jan 2, 2024 20:57:54 GMT
This has been discussed in this forum before, but now that The Beatles have released Now and Then, I suppose it's more relevant and worth mentioning again: Queen could potentially fix any such problem with AI. It's cleary evolved that much. As long as they have a decent audio track, they can probably produce decent-quality stems for each instrument and Freddie's voice, and then just do as they've done with previously released concerts, such as Wembley, Bowl, Rainbow etc: patch minor mistakes using either autotune or recordings from other concerts*, make both stereo and 5.1 mixes etc. For the video, I guess we've all stumbled across true wonders made by amateurs on YouTube. And if a hobbyist with a pretty expensive PC at home and an AI-based software available on the internet can do that, QPL surely can do even better by hiring a professional team. *For the record, I'm not for patching up live recordings, especially using autotune, but as we all know they always do that, we should consider that the possibility of doing that on a specific concert could make it viable or not for a release... No. I'm very familiar with everything that the existing Houston source has to offer, and it's just way more work than it's worth. Now And Then isn't even a special case, separating ONE voice from a piano, people have been doing that with convincing results for YEARS. It was just incredibly publicized and hit the masses with this huge AI scare going around. There's a difference between separating a piano from a voice and separating 6 different mono cymbals together. How would one untangle Brian's delayed guitar solo and make it stereo like it used to be? How would you untangle Get Down, Make Love's psychadelic section? Freddie's Prophet's Song vocal effects break? I truly doubt that any possible AI model exists for something like that. Roger's vocals are SO distorted, that in one part of We Are The Champions, the other parts of the song get lost in fuzz, and their frequencies COMPLETELY disappear. And still, no matter how good a team can be, frames get lost in the conversion from NTSC to PAL. No way to fix that without a better source. EVEN IF THERE WAS, you gotta remember- this is QPL. Did you not see the "remastered video" put out for The Miracle boxset? All they did was throw in a TERRIBLE smoothing filter and called it a day. Hobbyists like Chief Mouse and Dry Paint Dealer Undr get such incredible results because they work with love, QPL works for the dime. And then of course, there's We Will Rock You. Without an audience track, this would just sound stupid to the average listener. AI isn't the answer to everything. It seems like magic right now, but it's still got its limitations. With all the work needed, I seriously wouldn't expect a Houston release until everything else is out there.
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Post by manymilesaway on Jan 2, 2024 21:15:48 GMT
Best way I can explain the problem is to relate it to science. Now And Then is like a heterogenous mixture. You can pretty cleanly separate a vocal from a piano, a vocal uses an entirely different set of frequencies than a piano does, a piano is consistently pitched, etc. You can take the vocal off of the piano, just as you could pick pieces of cereal out of a bowl, or ice out of a drink. Houston's situation is more like a homogeneous mixture. Roger's 1977 drumset uses 6 different cymbals, a splash cymbal, and hi-hat. They all take up essentially the same or VERY similar frequencies as each other. In a mix with tons of guitar, vocal, bass, and OTHER drums, it's incredibly hard for even a human to pick them apart, let alone a machine. Then you have OTHER factors, like some cymbals being closer to the overhead mics than others. And then you have the situation of Roger hitting two cymbals at the same time. The source is mono, so they're SMUSHED together and the hypothetical odds of somehow reconstructing each individual frequency to separate them are so astronomically small, and the archaic nature of separation that AI uses would not even come CLOSE to that level of meticulousness. Trying to separate all those cymbals alone would be like being given an anvil and being told "separate the carbon from the nickel" And then you have to do it again for Brian's mono guitar delays, every individual tom and roto-tom, every delay and effect for The Prophet's Song, etc. This isn't a PERFECT simile, but hopefully it gets my point across. I would much rather QPL just release the mono soundboard with the NTSC to PAL footage, warts and all.
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Post by Lord Fickle on Jan 2, 2024 21:38:10 GMT
For many years we seem to have been fixated on a Houston release. Are there not any other potential candidates that could be viable for release from that tour?
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Post by fabiogminero on Jan 2, 2024 22:13:31 GMT
For many years we seem to have been fixated on a Houston release. Are there not any other potential candidates that could be viable for release from that tour? Portland or Boston are perfect candidates for an official release in my opinion, if only they decided to release them exclusively in audio format. Not to mention the soundboard recording of the last gig of that tour in Los Angeles.
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Post by manymilesaway on Jan 2, 2024 22:29:37 GMT
For many years we seem to have been fixated on a Houston release. Are there not any other potential candidates that could be viable for release from that tour? Houston's the only show with a full taping, so it's the obvious choice. It's also got soundcheck footage and post-show dressing room footage. Lots of 35mm film shots too, making some beautiful looking HQ footage. That said, it also has the worst setlist on the whole tour, losing It's Late, Spread Your Wings, and even The Prophet's Song. None of the rare songs either, like Doing All Right, Ogre Battle, or Sleeping On The Sidewalk. It's also got some duds, Somebody To Love is probably the worst NOTW '77 version that we've got so far. If I could hypothetically conjure up footage and multitracks, the show that I'd release would be Inglewood. Amazing Christmas festivities, a one-off performance of White Christmas, Deck The Halls in Brian's solo, and overall it's one of Freddie's best shows of the year. Great setlist too, having It's Late and Spread Your Wings. I think the only glaring issue is that Brian REALLY fucks up the We Will Rock You intro solo, he comes in a couple bars late, so he gets interrupted by the explosion from ITLOTGR
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